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Big big game Friday against Birmingham

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Obviously I am being really thick here but who played where yesterday when Wells came on?

I keep seeing people saying Paterson might make way in a 4-4-2; presumably then with Wiemann playing midfield do you mean?

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6 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It might happen this Friday, you never know!

I look back to MIllwall, where we’d had a two wins, and pressure to keep an unchanged team.  A really tough call, because undoubtedly our midfield three of Brownhill, Nagy and Massengo would’ve spent a lot of time chasing the ball on the Saturday v Fulham...but you hope the sports scientists do their job and LJ trusts them.  But he did keep it unchanged, and all 3 looked leggy against a physical high press.

So something to learn from at least.  Albeit a bigger gap between games than Fulham > MIllwall.

What Lee needs to be doing imho, is picking the team for the upcoming game, not upcoming games.  Too many variables, e.g. you plan to give Fam a rest, and he scores a brace, is full of confidence.  By all means rest if the stats say, but boringly, take each game as it comes.

After the Fulham game LJ said they used a different player tracking system so we didn't have the information on our players.

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5 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

It might happen this Friday, you never know!

I look back to MIllwall, where we’d had a two wins, and pressure to keep an unchanged team.  A really tough call, because undoubtedly our midfield three of Brownhill, Nagy and Massengo would’ve spent a lot of time chasing the ball on the Saturday v Fulham...but you hope the sports scientists do their job and LJ trusts them.  But he did keep it unchanged, and all 3 looked leggy against a physical high press.

So something to learn from at least.  Albeit a bigger gap between games than Fulham > MIllwall.

What Lee needs to be doing imho, is picking the team for the upcoming game, not upcoming games.  Too many variables, e.g. you plan to give Fam a rest, and he scores a brace, is full of confidence.  By all means rest if the stats say, but boringly, take each game as it comes.

It's interesting that on our bad run in 17/18 season LJ said it wasn't down to tiredness because of what the sports science of things showed in tests they do in training. 

Which suggests to me it is often mental tiredness, rather than any physical data showing up. 

I think Nagy really struggled with too many games, and maybe Massengo did too. 

I imagine that's because they're still adapting to this league. But with Diedhiou I've been surprised by his fitness levels this season. 

Previous seasons he was shattered after 70 odd mins, and not the same player when starting a few days after a game. 

I haven't really seen these problems with him this season.

There's arguments for changing or keeping the same side.

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11 minutes ago, Meh said:

Obviously I am being really thick here but who played where yesterday when Wells came on?

I keep seeing people saying Paterson might make way in a 4-4-2; presumably then with Wiemann playing midfield do you mean?

Weimann was wide left most of the game though he sometimes went up top when they rotated a bit first half.

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A bit worried by our performances at home, but hard to change a winning team and they we're magnificent on Saturday.

Personally, I would put Wells on the bench again and let him earn his starting place from there.

We could really do with six points from Birmingham and Derby with Leeds and West Brom to come.

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25 minutes ago, chinapig said:

After the Fulham game LJ said they used a different player tracking system so we didn't have the information on our players.

That’s interesting, didn’t hear that....although something does ring a bell that Fulham having a different set-up.

18 minutes ago, JonDolman said:

It's interesting that on our bad run in 17/18 season LJ said it wasn't down to tiredness because of what the sports science of things showed in tests they do in training. 

Which suggests to me it is often mental tiredness, rather than any physical data showing up. 

I think Nagy really struggled with too many games, and maybe Massengo did too. 

I imagine that's because they're still adapting to this league. But with Diedhiou I've been surprised by his fitness levels this season. 

Previous seasons he was shattered after 70 odd mins, and not the same player when starting a few days after a game. 

I haven't really seen these problems with him this season.

There's arguments for changing or keeping the same side.

Mental tiredness is a big thing.  I know it’s a totally different level, but I remember one bad winter, we had so many games called off, we played Sat (the odd Sunday), Tues, Thursday....repeat, playing about 10 games in 21 days.  It wasn’t the physical demands, it was mental fatigue, losing sharpness of thought.  Felt like we were going through the motions.  Night games, straight from work, travelling to places like Barnstaple or Bideford, etc.

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43 minutes ago, wendyredredrobin said:

A bit worried by our performances at home, but hard to change a winning team and they we're magnificent on Saturday.

Personally, I would put Wells on the bench again and let him earn his starting place from there.

We could really do with six points from Birmingham and Derby with Leeds and West Brom to come.

Agreed - unchanged unless we have any injuries - sounds like Hunt and Wiemann both had knocks yesterday?

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1 hour ago, AppyDAZE said:

Madness not to start Wells on Friday night.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers

We are on the final straight, what is it 15/16 games to go. Play the ****** now.

I’d have him raring to go from the bench again, personally. 
Depends how he takes to things in training this week though I suppose. 

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1 hour ago, AppyDAZE said:

Madness not to start Wells on Friday night.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/championship/top-scorers

We are on the final straight, what is it 15/16 games to go. Play the ****** now.

Get him in the team. Best goal-minute ratio in the league. Madness to put him on the bench especially at home.

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5 hours ago, JonDolman said:

It's interesting that on our bad run in 17/18 season LJ said it wasn't down to tiredness because of what the sports science of things showed in tests they do in training. 

Which suggests to me it is often mental tiredness, rather than any physical data showing up. 

I think Nagy really struggled with too many games, and maybe Massengo did too. 

I imagine that's because they're still adapting to this league. But with Diedhiou I've been surprised by his fitness levels this season. 

Previous seasons he was shattered after 70 odd mins, and not the same player when starting a few days after a game. 

I haven't really seen these problems with him this season.

There's arguments for changing or keeping the same side.

We were knocked out of the League cup on 23 January, then beat QPR with ten men the following weekend. And sat fourth in the table.

We didn't play any more games than any other Championship side that season after the second Man City game. We must've played less than some, as we were out of the FA cup at the first attempt. 

We also added to the squad in that January to see us through to the end of that season. That was less than successful. I'm not sure there are yet stats or diagrams to show squad harmony or otherwise.

We will never know for certain why that team fell away so poorly two years ago. 

 

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13 hours ago, Bar BS3 said:

I’d have him raring to go from the bench again, personally. 
Depends how he takes to things in training this week though I suppose. 

Definitely an option, not sure which way LJ will go as Fam is playing well, and Pato has really made a difference since coming back. A week training will help all 3 integrate, but could make an argument for all 3 to start, or none. Interesting choices to be made.

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18 hours ago, MelksRed said:

I really don't like threads like this.....all games have the same standing....all worth 3, 1 or no points........no game is bigger than any other......its pre-conditioning of fans/club approach that gives more gravitas to some games over others.....when in reality.....we have an equal chance of winning, drawing or losing any game against any opposition in the league. 

Rant over.....COYRs

And if the Championship has taught us anything already it’s that you can’t pick and choose where you pick your points up.

It’s the end tally that matters, not if you lose at home to Birmingham.

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11 hours ago, Mad Cyril said:

× Fat Fingers. Ignore. ×

I will ignore the post, but please stop the name calling, not as if I can put my fingers on a diet :sad26:

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10 hours ago, The Journalist said:

And if the Championship has taught us anything already it’s that you can’t pick and choose where you pick your points up.

It’s the end tally that matters, not if you lose at home to Birmingham.

I thought City chose to win them away from home! 

This league is so ridiculous that I won't be making any predictions. I also have no idea what will happen next. Probably draw ten in a row, because that what I least expect...

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been here a few times this season, chance to put daylight between us and 7th place, royally ****** it up every time, ill take 1-0 95th min oggy.  

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2 hours ago, leadman said:

 

been here a few times this season, chance to put daylight between us and 7th place, royally ****** it up every time, ill take 1-0 95th min oggy.  

You're right, this is just the kind of opportunity that we have struggled to rise to in the last 2.5 seasons. I think we might all get a bit excited if we win again. Supporting City is never that simple!

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On 03/02/2020 at 08:38, The Journalist said:

And if the Championship has taught us anything already it’s that you can’t pick and choose where you pick your points up.

It’s the end tally that matters, not if you lose at home to Birmingham.

That is certainly one of the things this Championship has taught us, agreed, although Preston might take a slight issue with it. 

Another thing this Championship has taught us (or was it OTIB?) is: we cannot (even hope, or ever expect to) compete with the mighty parachute payment clubs. 

This is a holy, sacred, sacrosanct, indelible truth. 

So abandon now all foolish hope of finishing 6th after 46 games because we do not have parachute payments and so it cannot be done. Has never been done. Never will be done. Don't even think it.

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