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Major Isewater

Bands who ‘ sold out ‘ to the money

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Queen , post Bohemian Rhapsody ,  went all shite and commercial when they could have been rock gods and pushed the boundaries.

Genesis , made some unbelievable complex and touching music then turned into a pop band , mostly thanks to Phil Collins and the missing influence of Peter Gabriel. 

Def Leppard , British rockers in the forefront of the new wave of heavy metal. Went to the States and became girls . 
 

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5 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Rod Stewart. He hasn`t made a decent record since about 1978. The rot set in with `Do You Think I`m Sexy` and he`s been shite ever since despite raking it in.

Good call . Fantastic voice went to waste . 
 

As for ‘ Sailing ‘ or ‘ Lady Jane ‘ ...

family guy vomit GIF

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Marc Bolan. Famously fell out with John Peel because of his pursuit of stardom over art. 

A band that was mentioned on another thread Sweet, went the other way. After their period of singing pop songs written for them by Nicky Chinn and Mike Chapman, they went on to write and produce some really good stuff of their own. Desolation Boulevard was an album that started that crossover and remains one of the best I have in my collection.

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22 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Marc Bolan. Famously fell out with John Peel because of his pursuit of stardom over art. 

A band that was mentioned on another thread Sweet, went the other way. After their period of singing pop songs written for them by Nicky Chinn and Mike Chapman, they went on to write and produce some really good stuff of their own. Desolation Boulevard was an album that started that crossover and remains one of the best I have in my collection.

Level Headed is another good album that sounds different to what you expect. Of course there was the big hit Love Is Like Oxygen (brilliant song) from that very same album.

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1 hour ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

Rod Stewart. He hasn`t made a decent record since about 1978. The rot set in with `Do You Think I`m Sexy` and he`s been shite ever since despite raking it in.

Set in after The Faces I think

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2 minutes ago, BigTone said:

Set in after The Faces I think

And I can’t forgive him for being the artist that kept ‘ God save the Queen ‘ off the top of the charts .

We mean it man .

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A left field choice here would be Snow Patrol.

Their two albums on Jeepster "Songs For Polar Bears" and "When It's Over We Still Have To Clean Up" were quirky, indie-fied with interesting songs about non-obvious subject matter.

Turn of the century, they signed to Polydor and started churning out power ballads about lurve. 

As Mr Blue says, I tuned out.

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25 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said:

A left field choice here would be Snow Patrol.

Their two albums on Jeepster "Songs For Polar Bears" and "When It's Over We Still Have To Clean Up" were quirky, indie-fied with interesting songs about non-obvious subject matter.

Turn of the century, they signed to Polydor and started churning out power ballads about lurve. 

As Mr Blue says, I tuned out.

Similar front, Kings of Leon.

Youth and Young Manhood and Aha Shake Heartbreak great albums, particularly the latter. Dirty, raw, lyrics practically unintelligible. But fantastic. Saw them at Swindon Oasis around this time, fantastic.

And then.

Haircuts. Sex on Fire. Quasi Bon-F’n-Jovi.

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The Cheeky Girls. All that raw energy and power in “Touch My Bum” was ruined when they sold out with “Have a Cheeky Christmas”.

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The Beatles: good quality club act, grinding out raw rock in grotty venues in Liverpool and Hamburg, and then go sign a record deal to earn a bit of cash and end up churning out shite like Savoy Truffle.

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1 hour ago, BS2 Red said:

The Cheeky Girls. All that raw energy and power in “Touch My Bum” was ruined when they sold out with “Have a Cheeky Christmas”.

Their heads were turned by Lembit Opik.

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3 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

And I can’t forgive him for being the artist that kept ‘ God save the Queen ‘ off the top of the charts .

We mean it man .

Or as the BBC used to say, a record by the Sex Pistols

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Def Leppard, saw them at the Granary ( I think) great night, they then got bigger and went to see them at the Colston Hall, walked out after a few songs as they had already become pretentious, they definitely had their eye on the commercial American market even then

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8 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

Similar front, Kings of Leon.

Youth and Young Manhood and Aha Shake Heartbreak great albums, particularly the latter. Dirty, raw, lyrics practically unintelligible. But fantastic. Saw them at Swindon Oasis around this time, fantastic.

And then.

Haircuts. Sex on Fire. Quasi Bon-F’n-Jovi.

The 3rd album is good too , altho a bit more polished than the first two excellent ones.

It was that 4th album with sex on fire and use somebody on it were it all went downhill. 

Such a shame 

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7 hours ago, Redwhitepurple said:

Are you kidding.  Queen 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

No , sold out . 
They went pop after Night at the Opera .

They even admitted that they wrote songs with easy hook lines that people would sing . 
 

They were a fantastic , imaginative rock band who took the easy route to making money .

They were a good pop band but , in my opinion, could have been so much more and I was disappointed with a large part of their material after ‘ Opera ‘. 
 

‘ A day at the races ‘ was just a rehash and contained the songs not good enough for ‘ Opera ‘ . 
 

‘ News of the World ‘ ‘ Jazz ‘ !!!

 I still love them but as I say they disappointed me . Look at artists like Bowie who developed music , experimented , pushed it on to new levels. Queen are so talented who knows what we would be listening to today if they had retained artistic credibility.

 

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10 hours ago, internetjef said:

The 3rd album is good too , altho a bit more polished than the first two excellent ones.

It was that 4th album with sex on fire and use somebody on it were it all went downhill. 

Such a shame 

Knocked Up is actually my favourite track of all time. What a way to start an album. 

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The Clash

Sang about white riots.

Preached left wing politics.

Revolution.

Thatcher came to power.

Strikes and riots and the Clash?

They were so bored with the USA they took their career opportunities there for the cash.

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3 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

No , sold out . 
They went pop after Night at the Opera .

They even admitted that they wrote songs with easy hook lines that people would sing . 
 

They were a fantastic , imaginative rock band who took the easy route to making money .

They were a good pop band but , in my opinion, could have been so much more and I was disappointed with a large part of their material after ‘ Opera ‘. 
 

‘ A day at the races ‘ was just a rehash and contained the songs not good enough for ‘ Opera ‘ . 
 

‘ News of the World ‘ ‘ Jazz ‘ !!!

 I still love them but as I say they disappointed me . Look at artists like Bowie who developed music , experimented , pushed it on to new levels. Queen are so talented who knows what we would be listening to today if they had retained artistic credibility.

 

Totally with you on this @Major Isewater So talented, but after about News of the world, I have little interest. BUT I still consider myself a huge Queen fan for the earlier stuff. it is brilliant.

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27 minutes ago, Sixtyseconds said:

The Clash

Sang about white riots.

Preached left wing politics.

Revolution.

Thatcher came to power.

Strikes and riots and the Clash?

They were so bored with the USA they took their career opportunities there for the cash.

But they never seemed happy with that, they played on a Rolling Stones undercard in the Caribbean somewhere almost like they were being groomed to take that position, but Joe in particular really wasn't interested. I think thats why he and Mick went their separate ways. He was always taking the piss out him and that apparent ambition to become a "proper" musician, even on Complete Control "you're my geeeetar heeerro". There was that weird period when Joe continued the Clash with the guy Nick Sheppard from The Cortinas the Bristol band, a real attempt to get back to basics, busking around the country.

Joe Strummer's stuff with the Mescelaros is much less commercial than the Big Audio Dynamite offering from Mick Jones.

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Look no further than Genesis ! Post Gabriel they were a shite pop combo !  I make an exception with Trick Of The Tail which was basically a continuation of P G Genesis sans Peter .

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I've use that USA line twice .. Poor.

I was disappointed with the Clash.

The Miners were on strike.

Other "political" bands did a lot more.

A lot more.

Red Wedge?

The Clash?

Bronski Beat were more real reds.

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19 minutes ago, Sixtyseconds said:

I've use that USA line twice .. Poor.

I was disappointed with the Clash.

The Miners were on strike.

Other "political" bands did a lot more.

A lot more.

Red Wedge?

The Clash?

Bronski Beat were more real reds.

Strummer really meant it (man). You sign to CBS, what are you gonna do? Put out a triple album for the price of a single and lose a fortune on it, that's what. Joe lived his life that way always, I don't believe he ever cared for the cash.

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52 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

Strummer really meant it (man). You sign to CBS, what are you gonna do? Put out a triple album for the price of a single and lose a fortune on it, that's what. Joe lived his life that way always, I don't believe he ever cared for the cash.

I always remember going to pick up a copy of London Calling and thinking I had got away with something, because I was sure they had priced it wrong in the shop. It was a double album cheaper than most single albums by other bands.

 

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2 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

Look no further than Genesis ! Post Gabriel they were a shite pop combo !  I make an exception with Trick Of The Tail which was basically a continuation of P G Genesis sans Peter .

Hackett was an important figure in Genesis too. And he was gradually getting phased out of their sound. I can go as far as Wind and Wuthering, then I'm out.

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2 hours ago, AppyDAZE said:

Hackett was an important figure in Genesis too. And he was gradually getting phased out of their sound. I can go as far as Wind and Wuthering, then I'm out.

Yes, I should have mentioned Hackett alongside PG, brilliant guitarist, he still keeps the proper Geneses sound alive .

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2 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

Yes, I should have mentioned Hackett alongside PG, brilliant guitarist, he still keeps the proper Geneses sound alive .

Apparently there is a Genesis tribute band (Over the Garden Wall maybe?) that are so good that Peter Gabriel took his kids to see them so "they can see what their dad was up to in the early 70's" :) 

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46 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Apparently there is a Genesis tribute band (Over the Garden Wall maybe?) that are so good that Peter Gabriel took his kids to see them so "they can see what their dad was up to in the early 70's" :) 

The Musical Box, I think they're called. I've seen them on Youtube.

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6 minutes ago, AppyDAZE said:

The Musical Box, I think they're called. I've seen them on Youtube.

Yes, so good that Genesis  lent them a load of props, I know PC has sat in with them on stage once or twice .

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1 hour ago, slartibartfast said:

Yes, so good that Genesis  lent them a load of props, I know PC has sat in with them on stage once or twice .

Gets a lot of stick, some of it deserved, but nothing is black and white in this world and credit where it is due. I think i've seen that where he is sitting in. Lovely to see that.

It is easy to forget too, that at one time Phil Collins was a phenomenal drummer in a very, very good, innovative rock band.

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On 30/03/2020 at 15:47, Silvio Dante said:

Similar front, Kings of Leon.

Youth and Young Manhood and Aha Shake Heartbreak great albums, particularly the latter. Dirty, raw, lyrics practically unintelligible. But fantastic. Saw them at Swindon Oasis around this time, fantastic.

And then.

Haircuts. Sex on Fire. Quasi Bon-F’n-Jovi.

I was at that Swindon gig. Every time I listen to Milk I am right back there.  They admit they chased the money nowadays.  First two albums equally incredible. Can just about stomach half of the third album and then wow...dogshit 

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18 minutes ago, Kingswood Robin said:

The Wurzels?

Wasn't it a bit of a gamble on their part to side with the one serious football team in the west country? Nope!

Sell out! All done for publiCITY (see what I've done there) and money.

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On 30/03/2020 at 15:47, Silvio Dante said:

Similar front, Kings of Leon.

Youth and Young Manhood and Aha Shake Heartbreak great albums, particularly the latter. Dirty, raw, lyrics practically unintelligible. But fantastic. Saw them at Swindon Oasis around this time, fantastic.

And then.

Haircuts. Sex on Fire. Quasi Bon-F’n-Jovi.

Perfect example Silv, and I mourn it all the time.

Courteeners. The first album came when raw laddish indie was having a revival, then they became well produced and radio 1 friendly. 

But hey, John Lydon did a butter advert and Iggy Pop wound up selling insurance or summat, so don't hold out for artistic integrity from your heroes.

 

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The Pistols used to be my band! Lyndon tried not to sell out but ended up doing adverts for butter?

in between that though, he did PIL. What a band, unique and well ahead of their time!

 

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In fairness to John Lydon he has said he did things like adverts and Im a celebrity get me out of here ,to finance PiL which was his true passion. 

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On the same subject as the Pistols, if only because the story involves Malcom McLaren, Adam and the Ants are a classic example of a band who were struggling commercially and making average although sometimes interesting music (Dirk Wears White Sox anyone?), then suddenly took off.  Adam asked MM to become their manager, which he agreed to do, then promptly sacked 3 of the band and pointed them in the direction of Annabella Lwin's Bow Wow Wow (who McLaren also happened to manage!).

Adam and the Ants, with the use of Burundi drums, then created a distinctive and very popular sound, and basically stormed the charts in late 1980 through the whole of 1981, only losing momentum when Adam (Stuart Goddard) branched out on his own, although he was still successful for a year or 2 as a solo artist.   I think people forget just how huge the whole Adam Ant/Antmusic phenomenon was at the time. I remember, when they were in their pomp, songs from their back catalogue like Young Parisians and Car Trouble hit the charts, something that happens to very few artists, David Bowie's Life on Mars being an example that comes to mind. 

I know he had some mental health issues a few years ago, but he was touring quite recently, I am sure he played the Colston Hall about 5 years ago. I also remember him doing a solo spot at Live Aid in 1985, and thinking after his lacklustre performance how quickly his stock had lowered in the space of 2 or 3 years.  Good artist when he was on the top of his game though.

And Bow Wow Wow were pretty good!

 

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Not an Elton John fan but does he really need to be advertising Snickers ?

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15 hours ago, Major Isewater said:

That was Bowie , life on Mars .

Thought Jagger was the first to promote Mars Bars, in a duet with Marianne Faithful. :shocking:

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1 hour ago, Major Isewater said:

That was a confection of lies . 

Sounds like someone bit off more than they could chew! 

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On 02/04/2020 at 21:11, Kingswood Robin said:

The Wurzels?

Absolutely.

Though "selling out" isn't really the case there.  They were a very popular local band whose leader, singer, and songwriter died young in a car crash.

They had the choice of folding or carrying on without a songwriter and have continued to do so and long may they continue because I like them.

A fact I only found out recently was that whilst I knew that "I've got a brand new combine harvester" was a take off of an existing hit "I've got a brand new pair of roller skates" it wasn't their take off.

It was previously a minor hit in Ireland for an Irish comedian who played the jungle music loving priest in Father Ted. 

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24 minutes ago, Eddie Hitler said:

Absolutely.

Though "selling out" isn't really the case there.  They were a very popular local band whose leader, singer, and songwriter died young in a car crash.

They had the choice of folding or carrying on without a songwriter and have continued to do so and long may they continue because I like them.

A fact I only found out recently was that whilst I knew that "I've got a brand new combine harvester" was a take off of an existing hit "I've got a brand new pair of roller skates" it wasn't their take off.

It was previously a minor hit in Ireland for an Irish comedian who played the jungle music loving priest in Father Ted. 

Someone say Father Ted . Tell Go On GIF
 

 

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Heard one on 6 music just now, Generation X / Billy Idol. That is if they were really keen on being the band that had tracks like King Rocker in their locker in the first place.

I always thought they were style over substance and then Idol went off to become an American rocker to prove it.

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11 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Heard one on 6 music just now, Generation X / Billy Idol. That is if they were really keen on being the band that had tracks like King Rocker in their locker in the first place.

I always thought they were style over substance and then Idol went off to become an American rocker to prove it.

And Tony James formed Sigue Sigue Sputnik!

As an aside, I still have a tape by SSS which was sent out to everyone who had a ticket for their gig at the Colston (?) which was cancelled at the last minute.

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