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16 minutes ago, Jerseybean said:

There have been thousands of posts regarding our manager and who might replace him. I don’t wish to replicate anything that’s been said but would like to offer a perspective for others to challenge or even to agree with.

Everyone wants Bristol City to be successful. Success means winning football matches and ultimately winning promotion and trophies. I hope that we can at least all agree on that. In addition I suggest that most fans would like to see us not only winning football matches but playing entertaining and attractive football.

Arguably, other ‘stakeholders’ (especially those whose investments and livelihoods are at stake) are perhaps more concerned with results and less concerned with entertainment.

It is these two potential differences that I want to focus on.

Many fans are saying that our results and style of play are simply not good enough and many have had enough and want a change of manager. For the record I’m in this place now.

Those who run the club may feel the same way but they are tasked with doing something or not about it.  The faith that has been shown to LJ by our hierarchy is commendable and in part might be explained by the realities of changing manager.

After four and a half years the evidence points towards LJ not being good enough in terms of winning football matches and ultimately winning promotion and trophies. Football is a results business. This season he has certainly succeeded in providing very poor entertainment or precious little attractive football. Hence the growing disquiet among the fans for a change of manager.

If, as I have suggested, the Board and other stakeholders are more concerned with results than entertainment then its likely they too are considering the future as we look to be heading towards a mid-table finish.

They will of course need to decide whether to stick or twist and if they decide on a change then the big questions have to be addressed……..when is the best time, who would fit with our approach, set up and strategy, who else would need to come and go, etc, etc. Some of the multitude of factors involved will inevitably be inter-related and depend on things such as timing, money and our place at the table. Based on the way our club is run it’s reasonable to expect that the dossier on potential managers is a constant work in progress.

In short.... even if there is a consensus at the top of the club that a new manager is required the process of replacing LJ needs to be really very carefully handled. Then we will hopefully end up with what we want - a manager who (working within our ethos) can win football matches, gain promotion, win trophies and do so while serving-up attractive and entertaining football.

 

 

 

I think the biggest factor in all of this is ticket sales, that's what will be a big factor in deciding to change, certainly above entertainment although not results. But then ticket sales and entertainment go hand in hand, if it's entertaining people are more likely to watch (subject to being allowed to watch). As I've stated previously I think the club will use the pandemic for falling sales and thus keep Johnson in a job that little bit longer.

#JohnsonOut #Jexit

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1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Dean Smith- did you see their wage bill? Wilder is fantastic, but Dean Smith- said it elsewhere, a club wide effort to get promotion or bust- had they not gone up, big problems which might still manifest themselves if they come back down. Saw some stat that said they had the 2nd highest wage bill in Championship history though happy to go and check that one!

A couple of things on that:

1. Given Smith joined Villa in October 2018, I'm not sure he had any influence on player contracts. 

2. Villa were probably gambling on promotion knowing that Grealish was c£30m of talent, and McGinn and others could raise a few quid.

3. Smith proved he can do more with less at Brentford. With us he'd be at a club bang in the middle.

 

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28 minutes ago, mozo said:

A couple of things on that:

1. Given Smith joined Villa in October 2018, I'm not sure he had any influence on player contracts. 

2. Villa were probably gambling on promotion knowing that Grealish was c£30m of talent, and McGinn and others could raise a few quid.

3. Smith proved he can do more with less at Brentford. With us he'd be at a club bang in the middle.

 

  1. They made £9.9m worth of signings in January plus a number of loans- that probably added to it.
  2. Sold the ground for a reason- I've looked at their accounts in some significant detail. Just imagine they stay down and promotion and Xia payments unnecessary- £23m loss despite and inclusive of £36m ground sale, £14m HS2 revenue (think the rounding may take that sum total to £51m but anyway), maybe an estimated £15.5m in Parachute Payments and £10m in profit on disposal of players. From some angles, it was promotion or bust- a wage bill of £75-80m before and exclusive of any promotion bonuses!!
  3. Think Frank is an upgrade in a number of respects. Smith has strong points for sure, but defensive organisation? I don't mean in a Pulis/Warnock etc but defensive organisation- nah. He showed it at Brentford, he showed it with such an expensive squad at Aston Villa. Higher level this season too but I won't necessarily judge him on that in some ways.

Bear in mind it was their last year of parachute payments too...few problems! Huge shortfall, loans expiring and little (FFP headroom anyway) cash to replace them with- it was in some ways promotion or bust. I'm not fully sold on Smith.

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7 hours ago, Alex_BCFC said:

Incredibly it is possible and those who know anything about LJ know he is as streaky as they come.

Do I think it will happen - no. Do I feel it times to change - yes. But we’ve seen so many times before that we’ve been shockingly bad and then win 4 on the bounce and suddenly we look good. 

I want him gone as you do, but I totally agree that the good and bad streaks are such a "thing" about his managerial career, that we should not discount the possibility.  The streaks have pretty much been present through his entire time in management, but the one thing we can't be totally sure of is that, just because our current form has been abysmal plus the fact that the last 2 seem to have blown our play off chances does not mean we can't get back on a winning run (with a little caveat at the end of this!)

To check out our most current history we started our most recent good run after a six match run where we lost every game except for Luton at home, culminating in the 0-4 thrashing at AG on New Year's Day.  Did anyone then think we would go on another 6 match run (League only) in which we would win 5 (3 of them away with 4 clean sheets in all 6 games)? Probably not.  And now we are on another horrendous run.  

So we are surely due for another winning streak starting at Forest, then home to Cardiff, which will then gather so much momentum that we breeze into the play-offs.  Well, yeah, but no, but etc.  The one consistent thing so far about Streaky Lee is that, if we ever need a winning run to get us into the play-offs, the opposite will happen, part of the Club's soft underbelly probably!  So my gut feeling is that we will keep losing points until we can no longer mathematically make the play-offs, following which we will go on a decent run in the last 3 or 4 games and end up in the top 9, which will probably save his skin. It's called SOD's law (no I don't want him back either!) I think the only circumstance in which SL will act is if we just totally implode for the rest of the season, after failing to get anything from the next couple of games!

 

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1 hour ago, REDOXO said:

There is a politics forum is there not?

Meanwhile....anytime now Jon/Steve! Thanks Redoxo!

Yep, but look at Bristol City twitter.

Politics and football are intermingled now whether we like it or not.

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2 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

Yep, but look at Bristol City twitter.

Politics and football are intermingled now whether we like it or not.

YEP....But apparently you cant have a 1 inch poppy on the sleeve of an England shirt on armistice day!

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I think we all know really that nothing will happen at the moment, the situation will be assessed at the end of this season and I think LJ will unfortunately get the start of next season, it's when we are in a relegation battle which we surely will be and crowds dwindle, which I think they will that SL may be forced to take action but he will be very reluctant to do so.

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2 hours ago, weepywall said:

I think we all know really that nothing will happen at the moment, the situation will be assessed at the end of this season and I think LJ will unfortunately get the start of next season, it's when we are in a relegation battle which we surely will be and crowds dwindle, which I think they will that SL may be forced to take action but he will be very reluctant to do so.

Talk about being reactive instead of being proactive. If everyone else can see the problem before us, why can't he? 

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I think JL said recently 12k STH's had renewed before lockdown. Not bad.

But how many were there this season - 15-16k was it?

I can't imagine many of the 3-4k who hadn't renewed suddenly enthusiastically besieging the club to get their seat to watch another year of this terrible football.

With change though - PLUS a really positive appointment to inspire the fans it may actually be enjoyable occasionally to watch City at AG - I expect many non re-newers would view the prospect of having a ST next season far more positively.

If up to 25% of STH's do not renew SL will surely have to ask himself why - the answer, and solution (although it may already be too late for some) is pretty obvious afaic.

 

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On 29/06/2020 at 16:14, mozo said:

If City win 6 of the 7 remaining games, we could make the play offs. I don't think you can sack Johnson when he still has a slim chance of achieving his objective. 

 

How many chances ? Lets face it we have played crap boring football for a while now. He needs to go 

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On 29/06/2020 at 09:14, mozo said:

If City win 6 of the 7 remaining games, we could make the play offs. I don't think you can sack Johnson when he still has a slim chance of achieving his objective. 

 

Stop Press:  Sad and deluded individual spotted watching Flying Pigs over Bristol...........Pope also seen streaking naked through Vatican City!

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54 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I think JL said recently 12k STH's had renewed before lockdown. Not bad.

But how many were there this season - 15-16k was it?

I can't imagine many of the 3-4k who hadn't renewed suddenly enthusiastically besieging the club to get their seat to watch another year of this terrible football.

With change though - PLUS a really positive appointment to inspire the fans it may actually be enjoyable occasionally to watch City at AG - I expect many non re-newers would view the prospect of having a ST next season far more positively.

If up to 25% of STH's do not renew SL will surely have to ask himself why - the answer, and solution (although it may already be too late for some) is pretty obvious afaic.

 

If up to 25% of STH's do not renew SL will surely have to ask himself why - the answer, and solution (although it may already be too late for some) is pretty obvious afaic.
 

Sack anybody not called Johnson .

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17 minutes ago, maxjak said:

Stop Press:  Sad and deluded individual spotted watching Flying Pigs over Bristol...........Pope also seen streaking naked through Vatican City!

Well I don't condone cross species breeding, but I'm all for the Pope expressing himself through naturism...

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1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

I think JL said recently 12k STH's had renewed before lockdown. Not bad.

But how many were there this season - 15-16k was it?

I can't imagine many of the 3-4k who hadn't renewed suddenly enthusiastically besieging the club to get their seat to watch another year of this terrible football.

With change though - PLUS a really positive appointment to inspire the fans it may actually be enjoyable occasionally to watch City at AG - I expect many non re-newers would view the prospect of having a ST next season far more positively.

If up to 25% of STH's do not renew SL will surely have to ask himself why - the answer, and solution (although it may already be too late for some) is pretty obvious afaic.

 

I think it was about 14.5K including half season tickets. 

Why would anyone else buy a season ticket now - with every possibility that we won't be able to attend for the first half of the season?

I will want a refund for mine if I can't be there!

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On 29/06/2020 at 09:14, mozo said:

If City win 6 of the 7 remaining games, we could make the play offs. I don't think you can sack Johnson when he still has a slim chance of achieving his objective. 

 

6 wins?! The last win we had was in February against Derby when we had a 3 goal lead and almost threw it out the window.  The last time we won 6 out of 7 games was in January.... 2019, that's 17 months ago! There is no way he's pulling off a 6 out of 7 win streak when we have Forest, Cardiff and Preston still to play. The way we've been playing since the return of football we'd be lucky to beat Stoke right now! 

Honestly, I don't get the over positive attitude of some people with this club, I mean I'd love to be so positive that I could sit on a sinking ship singing along happily as it sunk but it's just not me, I want to fight, I want my club to fight and I want to see success. 

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