Matthew me Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: But Kasey has had a season and a half to ‘earn the shirt’ and be the creative genius that some think he is. He hasn’t done that. He really doesn’t do enough. I don't think LJ used him enough. He's a confidence type player. Give him a run of games and build him up. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I see a great player waiting to explode Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 Palmer needs a fair run in the team before I’m prepared to write him off. Hes the one that worries me more than every other player if we were to let him go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 27 minutes ago, Fordy62 said: Palmer needs a fair run in the team before I’m prepared to write him off. Hes the one that worries me more than every other player if we were to let him go. I think you will be waiting a long time for that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, GrahamC said: Huge dilemma for Holden if, as it appears, he wants to move him on. He is one of our top six earners, so those who somehow seem to think he will be easy to shift (far too much Football Manager) are just living in dreamland. Apart from those sides (QPR, Brentford, Forest) who have sold big to The Prem, no one is spending money at all. Look at us, we are effectively funded Williams by selling Szmodics & that money came from Villa buying Watkins after Brentford bought Toney. When we bought him, it reminded me a bit of the Thorpe/Sorenson/Akinbiyi saga from the 1999/00 season. We didn't need a player like him, with Szmodics and Paterson already in place. It's hardly as if he had set the world alight when he was on loan; unlike Tomlin. I bet Chelsea couldn't believe that a club was finally going to buy him. The £3.5m we spent, now looks like a complete waste. There is a player in there, that pass to Brownhill against Charlton will stay long in the memory. But looking at his previous loans (including the successful Huddersfield one); and there is obviously a reason that those clubs chose not to make it permanent. Palmer could go down as our worst ever purchases(in terms of money spent); and it was all so needless, as it certainly wasn't a position that needed strengthening. As you say @GrahamC, huge decision to make on him; and will snap the hands off any offer at the moment I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marina's Rolls Royce Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said: When we bought him, it reminded me a bit of the Thorpe/Sorenson/Akinbiyi saga from the 1999/00 season. We didn't need a player like him, with Szmodics and Paterson already in place. It's hardly as if he had set the world alight when he was on loan; unlike Tomlin. I bet Chelsea couldn't believe that a club was finally going to buy him. The £3.5m we spent, now looks like a complete waste. There is a player in there, that pass to Brownhill against Charlton will stay long in the memory. But looking at his previous loans (including the successful Huddersfield one); and there is obviously a reason that those clubs chose not to make it permanent. Palmer could go down as our worst ever purchases(in terms of money spent); and it was all so needless, as it certainly wasn't a position that needed strengthening. As you say @GrahamC, huge decision to make on him; and will snap the hands off any offer at the moment I reckon. What a perfectly succinct post. I never fully understood why he was signed or why the club spent so much- I guess they saw it as an investment in a young Chelsea player with huge potential? I can't see any reason why any club would now spend millions on KP let alone duplicate his wages which is why I see a loan as most likely. Good luck to the fella but him playing in the reserves can't be seen as anything other than a negative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfc01 Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 3 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Problem with the press is everyone needs to press. Can’t have one person not doing it properly. If Paterson doesn’t play then his replacement will be someone else who can do it If playing a high press then it starts from the front and Diedhiou is a weak point in that respect and the same for Martin. Weimann and Wells/Semenyo must be the favourites in that respect, but I've seen no signs at all of a high press this pre-season and in the last two games. Mind you, with the midfield all over the shop with Weimann in it, its hard to tell what the game plan is supposed to be. Hopefully, with some players back in training, we'll see a proper midfield from now on. I'd like to see Palmer get a start on Wednesday but being cup tied may not be a good idea - if he isn't on the pitch on Wednesday, he's off imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 hours ago, GrahamC said: Think it was Ashton rather than LJ who wanted him.. Not what I was told Graham - a typical LJ “I’m a great coach, man-manager, I can get the best out of him” signing like Tomlin. It hasn’t worked out. Holden said on Monday, Kasey had asked to see him about his future. We can only assume, KP is one of those players that Dean wants to move on, following his non-selection yesterday. The difficulty for prospective suitors will be the balance of fees and wages! This is unlikely to end up as transfer profit in the current climate, so although I’d rather he goes permanently (if he goes), me might do a loan, and hope he does well to earn a better move next summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 18 minutes ago, Davefevs said: This is unlikely to end up as transfer profit in the current climate, so although I’d rather he goes permanently (if he goes), me might do a loan, and hope he does well to earn a better move next summer. Agree. But who's going to sign him in the championship? He's done Huddersfield, Blackburn, us, and I cant see him wanting a league 1 loan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 10 minutes ago, Roger Red Hat said: Agree. But who's going to sign him in the championship? He's done Huddersfield, Blackburn, us, and I cant see him wanting a league 1 loan. You forgot Derby!! Theres a few I suspect he’s still to try. Preston about to lose Daniel Johnson for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NcnsBcfc Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 47 minutes ago, Davefevs said: You forgot Derby!! Theres a few I suspect he’s still to try. Preston about to lose Daniel Johnson for example. He's definitely a player who has relied on his Chelsea reputation for his agent to get him those loans. KP is the type of luxury player, that will be a really difficult sell to clubs in these strange covid times. Big wages, and not particulary adaptable to different formations. I can only see a heavily subsidised loan coming up in a leading L1 or one of the new championship teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EstoniaTallinnRed Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 6 hours ago, Marina's Rolls Royce said: Ha! I've heard that if a bird has webbed feet, a large orange bill and quacks- it's probably a duck! I thought it was an Argentinian Racing Pigeon! (Two Ronnies) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 He would probably thrive under a new manager in a different system. The boy obviously has talent i just don’t think it’s ever going to happen for him here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will b11 Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 Will be gutted if he leaves , has so much talent but we dont play to his strengths at all ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will b11 Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 This one would definetly come back and haunt us Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 1 hour ago, ncnsbcfc said: He's definitely a player who has relied on his Chelsea reputation for his agent to get him those loans. KP is the type of luxury player, that will be a really difficult sell to clubs in these strange covid times. Big wages, and not particulary adaptable to different formations. I can only see a heavily subsidised loan coming up in a leading L1 or one of the new championship teams. Think you are right. As for those who think he will “thrive” elsewhere, how come he has ended up with us? Blackburn had him on loan, Derby & Huddersfield too, no one else actually bought him, did they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Meh said: Whilst I agree he cannot press as well and whilst I agree he will be most likely gone as early as this week, is he not the natural option WHEN Paterson loses his form which will happen -history has proven that? Yes we will lose a bit of buzz in the press but Williams and Morrell as an example could be around him to make up the small short-fall on that front BUT we gain with improved accuracy and vision of pass to feet to Martin and Wells. As said I think he will be off for sure but I would keep him as challenge to Paterson if we can afford to and keep him happy - which I doubt this would unfortunately. Him and Paterson are similar but different. One aspect I think makes Paterson quite useful to have is that he can pull wider ie left in some phases- he has played there before and that can be very important out of possession. Palmer, I don't have the same faith in- our left side can then be put at a significant disadvantage. Team can become unbalanced, back 3 with wingbacks pushing on then can easily if not careful fall into a back 5 pinned back somewhat. Initiative ceded, problems begin. That's before the obvious which is reservations about him dropping back into CM out of possession, be it work, be it natural or otherwise fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 56 minutes ago, Will b11 said: This one would definetly come back and haunt us No it wont. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 Swansea were interested before he signed for us weren`t they? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 I think moving him on will be hindered by his wages. I reckon Championship clubs will be proposing a hefty cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldlandReddies Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 Said at the time we should never have signed him. Didn't need another midfield player especially one like him (luxury). Big mistake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 54 minutes ago, mozo said: I think moving him on will be hindered by his wages. I reckon Championship clubs will be proposing a hefty cut. Clubs especially outside the elite might have to be creative to move players on. Loan, option to buy- wages partially covered now would be one way. Perhaps a loan fee as well, reduced in line with the wage contribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 6 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said: Clubs especially outside the elite might have to be creative to move players on. Loan, option to buy- wages partially covered now would be one way. Perhaps a loan fee as well, reduced in line with the wage contribution. Yeah that's the way to go Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Matthew me said: You can't have 11 grafters. Everybody needs to graft in the modern game or the team play breaks down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Swansea were interested before he signed for us weren`t they? I think it was the fact that they were strongly linked got Johnson to jump in. Very strange move, turned out a waste for club and player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 2 hours ago, Roger Red Hat said: Everybody needs to graft in the modern game or the team play breaks down. Agreed. Sides either need to press as one or not at all. A half and half approach is fairly disastrous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 4 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Swansea were interested before he signed for us weren`t they? Be interested to see how they play this season without Conor Gallagher. Gibbs-White is a different midfielder (scored the winner yesterday). I could still see them being interested though. 4 hours ago, mozo said: I think moving him on will be hindered by his wages. I reckon Championship clubs will be proposing a hefty cut. Will rule some clubs out, but still a few out there who would pay it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpexile Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 13 hours ago, Major Isewater said: Why am I thinking that Walsh , could in fact , be the guy to be sold ? I just have this feeling in my water. Get it checked Major, nothing worse than feeling your own water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pnefcok Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 9 hours ago, Davefevs said: You forgot Derby!! Theres a few I suspect he’s still to try. Preston about to lose Daniel Johnson for example. DJ, our POTY, is signing for Rangers this week. Bournemouth have bid for Ben Davies. Both have less than a year left along with Alan Browne and Ben Pearson, our 4 best players. Money brought in via sales doesn't affect the playing budget so I doubt we can afford someone like Palmer. Zero signings made so far. Manager desperate to sign strikers. Only striker we've signed is Nugent who we didn't want. Worst set of STs in the league last season yet we haven't signed one. Our first choice keeper is injured as well and the back up is awful. It's looking like a complete an utter mess. The manager is sick to death of it and his post-match interview at the weekend was something to behold really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted September 13, 2020 Report Share Posted September 13, 2020 30 minutes ago, pnefcok said: DJ, our POTY, is signing for Rangers this week. Bournemouth have bid for Ben Davies. Both have less than a year left along with Alan Browne and Ben Pearson, our 4 best players. Money brought in via sales doesn't affect the playing budget so I doubt we can afford someone like Palmer. Zero signings made so far. Manager desperate to sign strikers. Only striker we've signed is Nugent who we didn't want. Worst set of STs in the league last season yet we haven't signed one. Our first choice keeper is injured as well and the back up is awful. It's looking like a complete an utter mess. The manager is sick to death of it and his post-match interview at the weekend was something to behold really. Ouch. Can we play you soon please?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 19 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Johnson didn’t want him in and now Holden doesn’t. Mini me.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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