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13 hours ago, GrahamC said:

Magnússon plays often (not always) for Iceland, though to be fair to them with a total population of under half a million and unlike Wales or Ireland no desire to go down the “my grandparent was born there” route, they have a very small pool to select from.

I think it is very arguable that he “wasn’t good enough for us” though, he is a regular for CSKA Moscow, a side that is often in the Champions League & finishes top four in the Russian league.

I actually think LJ used him as a scapegoat & he was plenty good enough, myself.

 

Fair enough. I thought he was not up to championship football and was amazed we got our money back. Champions league or doing well in Russia, a bit like international appearances, it doesn't mean much to me. How he does in the championship is what matters to me and I thought he was overrated by some fans.

I don't think we've made many good signings from abroad. Holden looks like he's moving away from that and concentrating on bringing in players with experience of championship football.

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1 hour ago, JonDolman said:

Fair enough. I thought he was not up to championship football and was amazed we got our money back. Champions league or doing well in Russia, a bit like international appearances, it doesn't mean much to me. How he does in the championship is what matters to me and I thought he was overrated by some fans.

 

Come on ! Maggers long throw  alone was worth 2 million,  like a missile into the box. 🧐  loved it 

As for the topic, AN, seems here for the duration I would be very surprised if he went out on loan or sold to a UK club. 

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4 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said:

Come on ! Maggers long throw  alone was worth 2 million,  like a missile into the box. 🧐  loved it 

As for the topic, AN, seems here for the duration I would be very surprised if he went out on loan or sold to a UK club. 

Well there was that long throw and he is a nice chap, so yep great player!

If Nagy stays then I don't think Holden will play him so seems a waste to not at least loan him somewhere where he gets games and they cover a big part of his wages.

But the international transfer window closing with us not selling or loaning out any players has really surprised me and I expect makes trimming our squad a lot harder for Ashton.

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4 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Fair enough. I thought he was not up to championship football and was amazed we got our money back. Champions league or doing well in Russia, a bit like international appearances, it doesn't mean much to me. How he does in the championship is what matters to me

What a truly bizarre comment, how can you seriously say that?

Surely understanding what is effectively the pinnacle of football and how leagues compare is fundamental to rating a particular player?

Magnússon played against Milan & Real Madrid in that competition, saying that doesn’t mean much completely undermines your argument.

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13 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

What a truly bizarre comment, how can you seriously say that?

Surely understanding what is effectively the pinnacle of football and how leagues compare is fundamental to rating a particular player?

Magnússon played against Milan & Real Madrid in that competition, saying that doesn’t mean much completely undermines your argument.

Did he play well in those games?

And more importantly would he be in your City side ahead of Mawson or Baker when fit?

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5 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Fair enough. I thought he was not up to championship football and was amazed we got our money back. Champions league or doing well in Russia, a bit like international appearances, it doesn't mean much to me. How he does in the championship is what matters to me and I thought he was overrated by some fans.

I don't think we've made many good signings from abroad. Holden looks like he's moving away from that and concentrating on bringing in players with experience of championship football.

I think the problem with Magnússon was he always seemed to have a catastrophic mistake in him, at some stage during every match. Normally due to a lack of concentration.

Unfortunately, these mistakes normally culminated in a goal against us (Cardiff, Preston, Man City spring to mind). You could see that LJ lost confidence in him; and with that Magnússon's own confidence dropped as a result.

There is definitely a good player there. You can't be an international; and play in the CL against the calibre of sides that he has, if he wasn't up to it. However for me, if he had stayed, he wouldn't have been first choice; and it was best for all parties to have a parting of the ways. 

The fact we got the fee that we did, shows the esteem that he is held in, in some quarters.

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14 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said:

I think the problem with Magnússon was he always seemed to have a catastrophic mistake in him, at some stage during every match. Normally due to a lack of concentration.

Unfortunately, these mistakes normally culminated in a goal against us (Cardiff, Preston, Man City spring to mind). You could see that LJ lost confidence in him; and with that Magnússon's own confidence dropped as a result.

There is definitely a good player there. You can't be an international; and play in the CL against the calibre of sides that he has, if he wasn't up to it. However for me, if he had stayed, he wouldn't have been first choice; and it was best for all parties to have a parting of the ways. 

The fact we got the fee that we did, shows the esteem that he is held in, in some quarters.

Agree. I think he made bad mistakes due to lack of concentration, or sometimes because of a lack of aggression.

Maybe playing in a different country and a different league suits him.

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54 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said:

I think the problem with Magnússon was he always seemed to have a catastrophic mistake in him, at some stage during every match. Normally due to a lack of concentration.

Always seemed?  That’s not the Magnússon I watched in the majority of games.  As a CB, it’s the position I study most in the game, and pairings in particular.  The way they mark, the way then pass-on marking responsibility, the way they learn.  I think Hörður was fine at this level....⬇️⬇️⬇️

Unfortunately, these mistakes normally culminated in a goal against us (Cardiff, Preston, Man City spring to mind). You could see that LJ lost confidence in him; and with that Magnússon's own confidence dropped as a result.

...but of course he made mistakes, all CBs do.  Flint made plenty in the same period.  The head-coach played a CB system that was based around Flint, everyone else had to fit around him.  Flint never moved out of his right sided CB position, he’d never swap over to pick up the more dangerous opponent.  I recall a game v Blackburn when Sam Gallagher peeled onto Hörður every dead ball.  Why couldn’t Flint swap over.  Flint, don’t get me wrong, was a good servant, but he was massively selfish as a CB.  Look how narrow our RBs had to play to cover him...and fans wonder why the left winger always had loads of time.  Sorry, not ranting at you, just saying perceptions of some players mistakes over-highlighted against other players who got away with murder by comparison.

some piss-poor man management in there too.

...and who hadn’t been exposed by Man City!!

There is definitely a good player there. You can't be an international; and play in the CL against the calibre of sides that he has, if he wasn't up to it. However for me, if he had stayed, he wouldn't have been first choice; and it was best for all parties to have a parting of the ways.

for me, the use of “first choice” is over-used.  It’s a squad game these days, and not everyone in that squad will be of equal level.  Sometimes two lesser players in ability (on paper at least) form betters pairings than others.  And just because someone isn’t first choice doesn’t mean they aren’t good enough, it often means they just aren’t as good as the current incumbents...but can be more than proficient at the level required.  That’s how I rated Magnússon....plenty good enough for the level, but at the time not as good as Baker (alongside Flint), so Baker played.  Versatile to play LB too in our cup run.

it bugs me massively that as soon as someone isn’t in the starting line up, posters suddenly decree they aren’t good enough.

The fact we got the fee that we did, shows the esteem that he is held in, in some quarters.

Not a rant at you, just the subject matter ⬆️⬆️⬆️

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7 hours ago, JonDolman said:

Fair enough. I thought he was not up to championship football and was amazed we got our money back. Champions league or doing well in Russia, a bit like international appearances, it doesn't mean much to me. How he does in the championship is what matters to me and I thought he was overrated by some fans.

I don't think we've made many good signings from abroad. Holden looks like he's moving away from that and concentrating on bringing in players with experience of championship football.

Didn't he play in the win v Man Utd and a few other games in that good spell of form?

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1 minute ago, mozo said:

Didn't he play in the win v Man Utd and a few other games in that good spell of form?

Yes Magnússon played at left back. Bailey Wright at right back, with Flint and Baker centre backs.

I thought he was decent enough in that spell, a bit like Wright was the other side.

Overall though I was glad when we sold him.

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2 hours ago, Davefevs said:

Not a rant at you, just the subject matter ⬆️⬆️⬆️

All fair points @Davefevs. No issue with your analysis.

The goals against Cardiff, and Man City; were when he was trying to let the ball go out of play for a goal kick, when he was playing as Lb. Those two in particular were school boy errors. That said, it was his long throw in the same Cardiff match; that led to the Flint winner of course.

You're in a better place than me to show his relevant statistics. But if memory serves, physically he started losing a number of 50/50 physical challenges; and seemed to be bullied in certain games. Certainly opposition would target him, as a potential weakness at Lb.

I agree piss poor management from LJ around him. After a while his confidence looked shot, in much the same way Massengo went, in the second half of last season.

I've never said, he wasn't good enough; as his CL experience shows. However, the way LJ chopped and changed certainly didn't help him. Given time, he may have adjusted to the physicality of the league; and the constant demands. When the offer from CSKA came in though, I 'm sure it was a no brainer for the club at the time.

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6 minutes ago, ncnsbcfc said:

All fair points @Davefevs. No issue with your analysis.

The goals against Cardiff, and Man City; were when he was trying to let the ball go out of play for a goal kick, when he was playing as Lb. Those two in particular were school boy errors. That said, it was his long throw in the same Cardiff match; that led to the Flint winner of course.

You're in a better place than me to show his relevant statistics. But if memory serves, physically he started losing a number of 50/50 physical challenges; and seemed to be bullied in certain games. Certainly opposition would target him, as a potential weakness at Lb.

I agree piss poor management from LJ around him. After a while his confidence looked shot, in much the same way Massengo went, in the second half of last season.

I've never said, he wasn't good enough; as his CL experience shows. However, the way LJ chopped and changed certainly didn't help him. Given time, he may have adjusted to the physicality of the league; and the constant demands. When the offer from CSKA came in though, I 'm sure it was a no brainer for the club at the time.

All fair points back....👍🏻.  The goals you use as examples are not something I can argue against, other than “they happen”.  They are bloody frustrating.

Re bullying....I still think the inflexibility of Flint was a factor.  Flint was very much “I’m alright Jack” that’s all that matters.  Perhaps he found at Boro and Cardiff that where a system isn’t based on him it’s not quite as “comfortable”for him...and that’s why his form suffered.

Re CSKA....I’m sure it was a no-brained for Magnússon too 😂😂😂

I though he was decent enough here, and yet to hit anywhere near his prime years....just coming into them now.

I hope we afford our other young CBs (Vyner and Moore) a bit more leeway.

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7 hours ago, Garland-sweden said:

Strange, Morell and Nagy starting for Wales and Hungary in City they are not even on the bench. Dont says it wrong but a little bit funny. Our midfield and team has won 4 out of 4 so its working at the moment. Dont change a team that winning is good I think.

Think you will find Morell has just come back from injury

 

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On 10/10/2020 at 08:38, Garland-sweden said:

Strange, Morell and Nagy starting for Wales and Hungary in City they are not even on the bench. Dont says it wrong but a little bit funny. Our midfield and team has won 4 out of 4 so its working at the moment. Dont change a team that winning is good I think.

And Weimann doesn’t even get into an average Austria squad, either as a midfielder or forward!

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1 hour ago, Lanterne Rouge said:

1-0 Hungary but it`s practically unwatchable due to the picture quality - it`s like watching a game from the 1970 World Cup.

 

Shame, it was a good game. Serbs were a little tired I have to admit but still it was a nice game. Good pressing from us in the first half, Serbia switched up one gear in the second; nice tempo and a few attempts on both sides. Amazing win for us.

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42 minutes ago, Hunsupport said:

Shame, it was a good game. Serbs were a little tired I have to admit but still it was a nice game. Good pressing from us in the first half, Serbia switched up one gear in the second; nice tempo and a few attempts on both sides. Amazing win for us.

I see Nagy got a yellow card, does that put him out of your next game?

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3 hours ago, tin said:

And Weimann doesn’t even get into an average Austria squad, either as a midfielder or forward!

Think Austria a bit above average, have some players at notable clubs but they're not top tier.

1 hour ago, Hunsupport said:

Shame, it was a good game. Serbs were a little tired I have to admit but still it was a nice game. Good pressing from us in the first half, Serbia switched up one gear in the second; nice tempo and a few attempts on both sides. Amazing win for us.

Two good wins for you in this group- Nagy was very good in Turkey I believe, decent tonight?

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8 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Think Austria a bit above average, have some players at notable clubs but they're not top tier.

Austria are currently 34th in the world, ranked behind Wales, Ireland, N.Ireland to give three examples. Morrell starts for a higher-ranked side than Austria, and they also have some players at notable clubs. 

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15 hours ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Think Austria a bit above average, have some players at notable clubs but they're not top tier.

Two good wins for you in this group- Nagy was very good in Turkey I believe, decent tonight?

Sorry for the late answer, had to work a little. :) Yep, he was quite good. I haven't seen anything which could indicate that he might lose confidence because he can't make it to the matchday squad, quite the opposite. He seemed very confident in both games. It will be interesing if anything happens till Friday or not as I've seen on social media that his girlfriend enrolled to a graphic school in London 3 weeks ago. That was way after Holden said he spoke to everyone about their game times so they knew by then they will definitely stay in England. So its either he trusts himself enough to fight his way back or has something solid lined up already.

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8 hours ago, tin said:

Austria are currently 34th in the world, ranked behind Wales, Ireland, N.Ireland to give three examples. Morrell starts for a higher-ranked side than Austria, and they also have some players at notable clubs. 

I think they're a reasonable side- they beat and outplayed NI yesterday for a start. Morrell is a better example, but 34th- still put them a bit above average.

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36 minutes ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

I think they're a reasonable side- they beat and outplayed NI yesterday for a start. Morrell is a better example, but 34th- still put them a bit above average.

Worth mentioning Weimann has 14 appearances for them and nothing since 2015. They certainly can't be a terrible side if he is nowhere near their team...

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