WarksRobin Posted November 16, 2021 Report Share Posted November 16, 2021 1 hour ago, Lrrr said: Not the most knowledgeable F1 watcher but the commentators were saying they'd be interested in knowing if Max had straightened his steering wheel to edge Hamilton out, while he's hardly full lock or anything Max doesn't straighten his steering wheel. Would think he could argue he just misjudged just how late he could leave the corner given he hasn't straightened the wheel. The only way he makes that corner on that line is to brake earlier than Lewis. Max deliberately steamed into the corner with no intention of staying on track. He forced Lewis to either back off or have a collision. Most likely outcome is a three place grid drop at the next GP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 They won't penalise Max in the results from Brazil. As others have said I think he may end up with a grid penalty for this weekend. Whether it should be considered here or not, I think Max's history of refusing to back out and causing a collision is a factor here. Looks as though he has taken the same standpoint there - if Lewis wants to get past he will have to hit me so I'll just run us both off the track. He needs to learn and fast IMO as he won't have Red Bull forever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 (edited) 5 hours ago, OneTeamInBristol said: They won't penalise Max in the results from Brazil. As others have said I think he may end up with a grid penalty for this weekend. Whether it should be considered here or not, I think Max's history of refusing to back out and causing a collision is a factor here. Looks as though he has taken the same standpoint there - if Lewis wants to get past he will have to hit me so I'll just run us both off the track. He needs to learn and fast IMO as he won't have Red Bull forever. Personally i don’t think it’s a penalty but i didn’t think Norris was a penalty in Austria or others. Now they need to be consistent not change things just because there’s a championship at stake. Hopefully they can start 2022 with fewer penalties and let the drivers sort things out between them which could make things interesting Edited November 17, 2021 by East Londoner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider11 Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 11 minutes ago, East Londoner said: Personally i don’t think it’s a penalty but i didn’t think Norris was a penalty in Austria or others. Now they need to be consistent not change things just because there’s a championship at stake. Hopefully they can start 2022 with fewer penalties and let the drivers sort things out between them which could make things interesting When they showed the Austria footage and if that had been a gravel trap in Brazil like that I’m sure would have been a penalty there. Like what happened with Norris and Perez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted November 17, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 Most exciting season for years, let’s hope penalties and technical infringements don’t spoil it. Red Bull still seem pretty sure there is something Mercedes are doing with the rear wing to achieve what the flexible rear wing was - reduced downforce and increased straight line speed.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 17, 2021 Report Share Posted November 17, 2021 1 hour ago, East Londoner said: Personally i don’t think it’s a penalty but i didn’t think Norris was a penalty in Austria or others. Now they need to be consistent not change things just because there’s a championship at stake. Hopefully they can start 2022 with fewer penalties and let the drivers sort things out between them which could make things interesting Always felt the Norris penalty at Austria was harsh. He was ahead the whole time and stuck to the racing line, not deliberately push Perez off. Add in that they say they are more lenient on the first lap/first lap after a safety car (which it was) and Norris was penalised for Perez being overambitious. Whereas Max here should have been an open and shut "he forced him wide". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted November 19, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 No penalty for Verstappen, about right in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elhombrecito Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 100% it should have been a penalty at the time. But not sure I like the precedent of 'appealing' for penalties to be applied retrospectively after a race, so not overly bothered that the appeal wasn't successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slacker Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 I reckon if it had been the other way around, Hamilton would have been penalised. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 Joke decision from the FIA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 5 hours ago, Maesknoll Red said: No penalty for Verstappen, about right in my opinion. Absolute nonsense, he made no attempt to make the corner, just force them both off. If someone isn't allowed to overtake off track, you shouldnt be able to force both off in defence. This has now set a precedent where it will be impossible for Hamilton to overtake Verstappen around the outside, because Max will just do the same thing every time, "hit me and we both DNF or go off track and lose time" I guarantee if Bottas does this to Verstappen next race and Max hits him (because he flat out refuses to ever back out no matter what) you will be complaining about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted November 19, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 53 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: Absolute nonsense, he made no attempt to make the corner, just force them both off. If someone isn't allowed to overtake off track, you shouldnt be able to force both off in defence. This has now set a precedent where it will be impossible for Hamilton to overtake Verstappen around the outside, because Max will just do the same thing every time, "hit me and we both DNF or go off track and lose time" I guarantee if Bottas does this to Verstappen next race and Max hits him (because he flat out refuses to ever back out no matter what) you will be complaining about it. Will the next race have a run off area like that, doubt it, each incident needs to be judged separately. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: Will the next race have a run off area like that, doubt it, each incident needs to be judged separately. it does on multiple corners. Not even attempting to make the corner to force someone wide should be a penalty regardless of track or layout. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted November 19, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 18 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: it does on multiple corners. Not even attempting to make the corner to force someone wide should be a penalty regardless of track or layout. The stewards with all the data they have, obviously felt that wasn’t the case, if you know better why not offer your services. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 2 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: The stewards with all the data they have, obviously felt that wasn’t the case, if you know better why not offer your services. That's not actually true. The stewards lacked data at the time the decision was made. No change was made because they ruled (bizarrely) the new evidence wasn't "significant". However what has been very evident throughout this thread is your anti LH stance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Admin Maesknoll Red Posted November 19, 2021 Admin Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 7 minutes ago, JamesBCFC said: That's not actually true. The stewards lacked data at the time the decision was made. No change was made because they ruled (bizarrely) the new evidence wasn't "significant". However what has been very evident throughout this thread is your anti LH stance. Yep, not someone I admire, it was boring seeing one of the best drivers in the best car leading processions, he wasn’t keen when Rosberg was his team mate and now has to fight for his position as WC, something the sport has been missing a long time. I’ve never denied his ability, although this season he’s had his fair share of luck to still be in the game this season - the red flag earlier this season, Verstappens blowout, Bottas taking Verstappen out ( yes, I know, totally without malice or intent) and a meaningless 5 second penalty at Silverstone - that doesn’t detract from his achievements or ability, I’ve just never been a fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 19, 2021 Report Share Posted November 19, 2021 3 minutes ago, Maesknoll Red said: Yep, not someone I admire, it was boring seeing one of the best drivers in the best car leading processions, he wasn’t keen when Rosberg was his team mate and now has to fight for his position as WC, something the sport has been missing a long time. I’ve never denied his ability, although this season he’s had his fair share of luck to still be in the game this season - the red flag earlier this season, Verstappens blowout, Bottas taking Verstappen out ( yes, I know, totally without malice or intent) and a meaningless 5 second penalty at Silverstone - that doesn’t detract from his achievements or ability, I’ve just never been a fan. 10 second penalty at Silverstone. And Verstappen has had more than his share of luck as well. Very fortunate not to get penalties on several occasions this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 So Hamilton on pole, Verstappen and then Bottas, but Perez down in 11th to start. Seen some things saying it's hard to follow at Losail, and potentially could even become a 3 stop (although think thats unlikely). Drivers happy when they have clean air though, so might be a rare occasion this season where the overcut is stronger than the undercut, depends how quickly and how far they get from the rest of the grid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider11 Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Max to be investigated in the morning for double waves yellow infringements on the last lap of qualifying. https://www.skysports.com/amp/f1/news/12433/12473847/qatar-gp-max-verstappen-to-meet-with-f1-stewards-ahead-of-race-over-alleged-yellow-flags-rules-breach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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redsince1994 Posted November 20, 2021 Report Share Posted November 20, 2021 Probably Hamilton's fault 35 minutes ago, TomF said: Probably get a 5 grid place promotion 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Bottas and Sainz both called to the stewards too for their driving under a yellow flag. As Verstappen's was under double yellow he should be getting the next penalty up from whatever they get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Quite literally one rule for Max Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 Becoming pathetic now neither team are coming out with any credit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 15 minutes ago, Super said: Becoming pathetic now neither team are coming out with any credit. What exactly have Mercedes done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider11 Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 5 place grid penalty for Max! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 1 hour ago, JamesBCFC said: What exactly have Mercedes done? Moaning about everything! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East Londoner Posted November 21, 2021 Report Share Posted November 21, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, Super said: Moaning about everything! Asking for consistency isn’t moaning though 2 minutes ago, TomF said: Bottas is a waste of a seat He did end up on the dirty side which screwed him, the penalty also put max on the clean side Edited November 21, 2021 by East Londoner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 What a drive from Fernando yesterday! Helped by the VSC and a strange strategy from Perez but fair play to him! Not really a fan of LH or MV but really hope they're as close as possible, as well as the constructors, going into the last race. Will be toxic and fantastic, whatever people's opinions they've both had fantastic seasons and nice to have a proper rivalry! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesBCFC Posted November 22, 2021 Report Share Posted November 22, 2021 On 21/11/2021 at 13:51, Super said: Moaning about everything! Literally asking for the rules to be applied consistently is more than reasonable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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