Redwhitepurple Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 When you sign players like MARLON Pack, you know things are going to go back... And sideways.. And then back again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 29 minutes ago, Bristol Rob said: You are calling out excuses to fit your narrative, the reality is that different things have been tried. He has been hands on, hands off and somewhere in between, reality is we were am average league one side (in reality) when he got involved and we are now an established Championship side competing without parachute payments. Have mistakes been made? Yes. Has he had value for money? No. Should he shoulder some of the blame for some of the money wasted? Absolutely. But to say he doesn't want promotion, when 2 or 3 years top flight football could - in theory - give him a positive return on investment.... Back to you as to why he doesn't want promotion. So I’m calling out excuses, and your misquoting me to suit your narrative. I haven’t said he doesn’t want promotion, reread my original post. I don’t think SL has ever been hands off when the really important decisions have been made, and that is the crux of the problem for me. SL makes the final call on ALL the important matters, and I don’t think he really understands what is required to get out of this league, I don’t claim to either, but I’m not calling the shots. We have become a selling club under his plan, which is OK, but if he really wanted too he could have rebuffed all offers for the likes of Webster, Brownhill etc and we may well have had a better chance of getting promotion. Have we replaced any of the players sold with the same or better? I don’t think so. I really can’t see us getting promoted with the way the club is currently run, if you can then fair play to you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 44 minutes ago, Redwhitepurple said: When you sign players like MARLON Pack, you know things are going to go back... And sideways.. And then back again... Weird comment given they made the play offs last season with Marlon playing in 38 league games Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 10 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Weird comment given they made the play offs last season with Marlon playing in 38 league games 37 off the bench. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 17 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Weird comment given they made the play offs last season with Marlon playing in 38 league games Agree. Very weird! One thing’s for sure.... Bristol City haven’t gone forward since selling him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fordy62 Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 7 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: Watch them appoint paul cook now and get promoted next season I am petrified this will happen. In fact I’m petrified any time a championship manager is sacked, because waiting on Paul Cook to serve a no employment period is all I’ve got left to cling onto as to why we appointed Holden. Why oh why can’t Lansdown see? He’ll happily let LJ/DH sign a dozen players on 20k a week, but he just can’t do the same on a manager! FFS! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 7 hours ago, Lrrr said: Wonder if Lee regrets not holding out for a bit longer.... Assistant gone as well, someone ready to come it? I reckon Lee is fine - he ended up at a far bigger club than City and Cardiff combined ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Rob Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 hour ago, Countryfile said: So I’m calling out excuses, and your misquoting me to suit your narrative. I haven’t said he doesn’t want promotion, reread my original post. I don’t think SL has ever been hands off when the really important decisions have been made, and that is the crux of the problem for me. SL makes the final call on ALL the important matters, and I don’t think he really understands what is required to get out of this league, I don’t claim to either, but I’m not calling the shots. We have become a selling club under his plan, which is OK, but if he really wanted too he could have rebuffed all offers for the likes of Webster, Brownhill etc and we may well have had a better chance of getting promotion. Have we replaced any of the players sold with the same or better? I don’t think so. I really can’t see us getting promoted with the way the club is currently run, if you can then fair play to you. He could have rebuffed the offers for those two player, you're right. But good luck getting a tune out of two lads who have influence on and off the pitch who will doubtless be aware that generous offers have come in for them, offering life changing wages because the owner in wealthy. That sounds a bit 'Colston' to me. As for replacing them with better... if better players were available for the same or less money, do you not think they clubs who made these bids wouldn't have looked? Do I think we'll get promoted under the current model? I do actually. It won't be by dominating the division, it won't be by spending a fortune, and it won't be by renewing contracts at a stupid weekly rate. It'll be one of those random things that just happens. I never though Tammy would get much game time with JK ahead of him in the pecking order, JK downed tools. Neither did I see Reid as a striker, like a lot of others, I saw Reid as a player who had been with us since the year dot and was a drain on wages, and then we get one season out of him in a new position and wow! Personally, if that hadn't worked, I'd have let him go when his contract expired if it hadn't been for his switch where he found his game. It won't be easy getting promoted and finishing in the play offs would be more than welcome (and overdue), but if sustainable status is what SL wants, I won't argue. I want City to be here for years to come, not turn in to a Doncaster, Bradford or Stockport. Get shot of parachute payments and we aren't too far away from being well run. Remember that only 3 clubs taste success every season, and we are far from a big fish in this pond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 6 hours ago, Lrrr said: And horrible manager (well their football at least) if you can guess whose just left their job.... ...sounds like you you think they just sacked Warnock not Harris??!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted January 21, 2021 Report Share Posted January 21, 2021 1 minute ago, BS4 on Tour... said: ...sounds like you you think they just sacked Warnock not Harris??!! Was a prediction of their next manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 8 hours ago, steviestevieneville said: Watch them appoint paul cook now and get promoted next season That might happen. However next season if they don't scramble up somehow, will be the first time since 2012/13 that they had neither Parachute Payments or PL cash. It's entirely possible that reality might hit, FFP barely existed back in 2012/13, when they first went up. Without Parachute Payments in a typical Championship season, similar turnover to us- possibly less! Covid of course has thrown all such calculations up in the air. Cliff edge, £30-35m this year, to £0 next. 2013/14- PL revenue 2014/15- Parachute Payments, Season 1, the first lot. 2015/16- Parachute Payments Season 2. First lot 2016/17- Parachute Payments Season 3. First lot. 2017/18- Parachute Payments Season 4. First lot- Promoted! In the nick of time, as this was the last year. 2018/19- PL revenue. 2019/20- Parachute Payments Season 1. Second lot. 2020/21- Parachute Payments Season 2. Second lot- Season 2 is the last season as they yoyoed. One hit wonders only get two seasons now! 2021/22- ZERO. PL cash if a late surge to promotion, or the relatively low Championship and solidarity payments if not. Might not be as good a gig as it sounds... Also you might be interested @Fordy62 in Cardiff and their impending hit to revenue. Forget how much for this season it is but it could be a £30-35m fall from Parachute Payments to zero! Mind you Cook didn't (I think) have big money at Wigan. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pillred Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, Bristol Rob said: He could have rebuffed the offers for those two player, you're right. But good luck getting a tune out of two lads who have influence on and off the pitch who will doubtless be aware that generous offers have come in for them, offering life changing wages because the owner in wealthy. That sounds a bit 'Colston' to me. As for replacing them with better... if better players were available for the same or less money, do you not think they clubs who made these bids wouldn't have looked? Do I think we'll get promoted under the current model? I do actually. It won't be by dominating the division, it won't be by spending a fortune, and it won't be by renewing contracts at a stupid weekly rate. It'll be one of those random things that just happens. I never though Tammy would get much game time with JK ahead of him in the pecking order, JK downed tools. Neither did I see Reid as a striker, like a lot of others, I saw Reid as a player who had been with us since the year dot and was a drain on wages, and then we get one season out of him in a new position and wow! Personally, if that hadn't worked, I'd have let him go when his contract expired if it hadn't been for his switch where he found his game. It won't be easy getting promoted and finishing in the play offs would be more than welcome (and overdue), but if sustainable status is what SL wants, I won't argue. I want City to be here for years to come, not turn in to a Doncaster, Bradford or Stockport. Get shot of parachute payments and we aren't too far away from being well run. Remember that only 3 clubs taste success every season, and we are far from a big fish in this pond. Do you not mean Darlington? though I know Doncaster have had their ups and downs they have enjoyed success fairy recently and are doing ok at the moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 6 hours ago, Fordy62 said: I am petrified this will happen. In fact I’m petrified any time a championship manager is sacked, because waiting on Paul Cook to serve a no employment period is all I’ve got left to cling onto as to why we appointed Holden. Why oh why can’t Lansdown see? He’ll happily let LJ/DH sign a dozen players on 20k a week, but he just can’t do the same on a manager! FFS! Think you will find Cook didn't get, or even want, the job once the full extent of what working 'with' Ashton would mean was explained. IF that's true we will not get a strong manager whilst Ashton is here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 3 hours ago, old_eastender said: Think you will find Cook didn't get, or even want, the job once the full extent of what working 'with' Ashton would mean was explained. IF that's true we will not get a strong manager whilst Ashton is here... If that's the case, wouldn't your energies be better focused on Ashton instead of squealing for the manager's head every time he does something you don't like? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 11 hours ago, Countryfile said: but if he really wanted too he could have rebuffed all offers for the likes of Webster, Brownhill etc and we may well have had a better chance of getting promotion. Nonsense. Have you seen our accounts ? We need to sell players to stay afloat. Also, you cannot just say no (nowadays) to players who want Premier league football and a higher wage. They would lose motivation, and leave for free at the end of their contract whilst at the same time you would become a pariah. With the exception perhaps of Real Madrid and Barcelona, EVERY club is a selling club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, TonyTonyTony said: Nonsense. Have you seen our accounts ? We need to sell players to stay afloat. Also, you cannot just say no (nowadays) to players who want Premier league football and a higher wage. They would lose motivation, and leave for free at the end of their contract whilst at the same time you would become a pariah. With the exception perhaps of Real Madrid and Barcelona, EVERY club is a selling club. I’m amazed how many times this needs to be explained. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Mick McCarthy favourite for Cardiff job. That will royally piss me off. https://t.co/T8kVX1S9JW?amp=1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 minute ago, cityloyal473 said: Mick McCarthy favourite for Cardiff job. That will royally piss me off. https://t.co/T8kVX1S9JW?amp=1 Why would you care? Wonder why they keep appointing managers who produce dire football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carey 6 Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, And Its Smith said: Why would you care? Wonder why they keep appointing managers who produce dire football Warnock took them up, left them in a good place financially I expect what with parachute payments. As I said earlier in the thread, and on several in the summer. I’d have liked McCarthy here, someone who’s been promoted out of this league and knows what he’s doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityloyal473 Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, And Its Smith said: Why would you care? Wonder why they keep appointing managers who produce dire football Because he was my first choice post-LJ. Quote Wonder why they keep appointing managers who produce dire football You could say exactly the same about us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Just now, cityloyal473 said: Because he was my first choice post-LJ. You could say exactly the same about us. Yes but at least we appoint managers who pretend they will be attacking! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyTonyTony Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 8 minutes ago, And Its Smith said: Wonder why they keep appointing managers who produce dire football I don't think that's part of their calculation. They just select who they believe has the best chance of gaining them promotion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedRock Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Would have been one on my shortlist. Another one gets away! So that’s Warnock at Boro who’s now doing better than us and, we shall see whether Mad Mick, can sort that basket case Club out. Meanwhile Ashton fiddles around with his empire at The Gate, going backwards fast and losing us £millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 Because, as we know, if there's one thing that's a guarantee of a managerial appointment happening it's the bookies' odds... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 44 minutes ago, Northern Red said: Because, as we know, if there's one thing that's a guarantee of a managerial appointment happening it's the bookies' odds... In fairness Skysports saying he is close to being appointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 44 minutes ago, RedRock said: Meanwhile Ashton fiddles around with his empire at The Gate, going backwards fast and losing us £millions. Are we going backwards? Last season, after 24 games, we were (with this season in brackets): 10th (9th); 35 points (36); 0 GD (-1); 4 points behind 6th (6 points behind 6th, with a game in hand); 16 points behind the leaders (17 behind Norwich, with a game in hand); 14 points above 22nd (16 points above 22nd, but played twice more). The standard of football is poor but it looks to me like we are treading water, not going backwards. It might be that we do go backwards from here, but right now, as I see it, Deano has us where we were last season, a few points off the play-offs and a few points off the bottom half of the table; stinking the place out a bit, struggling to get shots on goal, but going around in circles somewhat, and pretty much where we were last season. Not bad going with an injury crisis even Johnson did not face here (and he had a few)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fuber Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 1 hour ago, And Its Smith said: Why would you care? Wonder why they keep appointing managers who produce dire football Good track record and forced to play crap stuff to scrap for every point they could. Ipswich relegated themselves the second he left the building. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IAmNick Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 45 minutes ago, Moments of Pleasure said: Are we going backwards? Last season, after 24 games, we were (with this season in brackets): 10th (9th); 35 points (36); 0 GD (-1); 4 points behind 6th (6 points behind 6th, with a game in hand); 16 points behind the leaders (17 behind Norwich, with a game in hand); 14 points above 22nd (16 points above 22nd, but played twice more). The standard of football is poor but it looks to me like we are treading water, not going backwards. It might be that we do go backwards from here, but right now, as I see it, Deano has us where we were last season, a few points off the play-offs and a few points off the bottom half of the table; stinking the place out a bit, struggling to get shots on goal, but going around in circles somewhat, and pretty much where we were last season. Not bad going with an injury crisis even Johnson did not face here (and he had a few)! What about the seasons before that? 3rd, 47 points, +14 GD? Sounds like backwards to me! I think people would say considering the huge increase in expenditure and the increase in the wage budget that gaining the same points total is going backwards in meaningful terms. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted January 22, 2021 Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 2 hours ago, And Its Smith said: Why would you care? Wonder why they keep appointing managers who produce dire football Well you proudly announced how you will be following one who produces dire football and has yet to achieve anything in the game , and has major responsibility for our large squad of misfits if you had watched over his career McCarthy is pragmatic , give him a reasonable squad and he produces efficient winning sides Vastly experienced , including at International level , not a whiff of bull**** or bluff , knows the game inside out Somewhat if a completely different level from the one you have so much interest in As for appointing managers who produce dire football .... look a bit closer to home Just the two recent visits to Premier League and a Cup Final apoearance In recent years for them And they will get back up before we do Bizzare post Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted January 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2021 14 hours ago, Fordy62 said: I am petrified this will happen. In fact I’m petrified any time a championship manager is sacked, because waiting on Paul Cook to serve a no employment period is all I’ve got left to cling onto as to why we appointed Holden. Why oh why can’t Lansdown see? He’ll happily let LJ/DH sign a dozen players on 20k a week, but he just can’t do the same on a manager! FFS! Think we all know the answer to that. A manager like cook would challenge Ashtons ways of recruitment , scouting and be opinionated . Ashton and the lansdowns can’t have their ways challenged and be shown up to know bugger all about football. No, North Korea fc will keep peddling the myth that they’re visionaries and try baffle us with bullshit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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