Major Isewater Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 I didn’t, luckily, watch the match yesterday but I thought Williams and Lansbury were meant to stop us having displays like this ? Are they both ring rusty ? Was It too risky throwing both into the team at the same time? What is your verdict on these two players view the little time sample ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlesh*t Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Just now, Major Isewater said: I didn’t, luckily, watch the match yesterday but I thought Williams and Lansbury were meant to stop us having displays like this ? Are they both ring rusty ? Was It too risky throwing both into the team at the same time? What is your verdict on these two players view the little time sample ? Both looked rusty and was a stupid decision to play both at once. William's I thought looked miles off the pace and his touch was poor at times. Lansbury i thought looked ok but tired 2nd half. Would have been much better starting one of them with HNM and another. We really didnt get to grips with the game in CM. I do think though when they are up to pace we have some decent options there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Both showed glimpses of what they can offer early on but we went 0-2 down in a flash from poor defending. Then it was easy for Cardiff just to sit off and frustrate us. Frustrating day all round. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Midfield trio that appeared never to have played together before...plays like players who've never played together before... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob k Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 I didn’t watch the game so won’t pretend i did but i was very surprised to see them both starting and not very surprised to hear it didn’t work very well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hampshire Red Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Isn't it funny how we all thought top 8 top 10 was a good position for an injury-struck team with so many 'great hopes' to come back. Then the club is slaughtered for not getting serious injurues 'repaired' overnight and then when they come into games and play badly it is DH's fault! Lansbury is the sort of signing the club have done brilliantly to land but on a poor debut the manager gets blamed for CM performances Next well be informed SL could have spent even more on more players so expect our owner to get some blame for the team having an off day in Sheffield this week! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh1t_ref_again Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 I thought looking at the videos of Lansbury he played as a forward midfielder rather than a defensive mid he played yesterday, anyone know his best position? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Littlesh*t Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said: Isn't it funny how we all thought top 8 top 10 was a good position for an injury-struck team with so many 'great hopes' to come back. Then the club is slaughtered for not getting serious injurues 'repaired' overnight and then when they come into games and play badly it is DH's fault! Lansbury is the sort of signing the club have done brilliantly to land but on a poor debut the manager gets blamed for CM performances Next well be informed SL could have spent even more on more players so expect our owner to get some blame for the team having an off day in Sheffield this week! I dont think anyone is saying they are bad players but it was a silly decision to play 2 players alongside each other who aren't match fit. That is Holdens fault. It wasn't like he didnt have any other options. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kibs Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Whilst a lot of people were buzzing when the team was announced, it just seemed like a massive gamble to me. A bit desperate even. After the Brentford game, I actually felt a abit of positivity. I thought we competed fairly well at times especially first half so to completely rip that up was absolutely ridiculous - almost as ridiculous as persisting with Mariappa at LB. It would have been progress and a big boost just to see Williams and Lansbury on the bench or maybe one of them starting. Both showed flashes of quality, but both also looked like they lacked real sharpness (expected) and also an understanding of the team and the system (also expected). And then to take Massengo off (again) the one midfielder we had on who was actually doing okay, looked energetic and was getting forward just capped it off for me. It was probably the worst performance of the season. And that’s saying something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Poor choice to play both from the start, for the first time. Someone like McCarthy would have said to his players - those two in the middle haven't played together before, are both making their first league starts, whilst one has been injured since the summer. Oh by the way, don't forget to get down the left side of their defence, because they have a square peg in a round hole. It's tactically naive by Larry, Curly, and Moe, to expect Lansbury and Williams to come in and win the midfield battles there against a physical team, especially when one has not played competitive football since the end of last season, and only had about 2 hours of u23 action under his belt. Mick McCarthy is not someone who I would enjoy watching football under, but he sure as hell would not be as easy to outwit than Dean Holden. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeez Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 26 minutes ago, Hampshire Red said: Isn't it funny how we all thought top 8 top 10 was a good position for an injury-struck team with so many 'great hopes' to come back. Then the club is slaughtered for not getting serious injurues 'repaired' overnight and then when they come into games and play badly it is DH's fault! Lansbury is the sort of signing the club have done brilliantly to land but on a poor debut the manager gets blamed for CM performances Next well be informed SL could have spent even more on more players so expect our owner to get some blame for the team having an off day in Sheffield this week! The performance & tactics of DH are in question here not necessarily the players recruited or coming back from injury. DH & his team chose the starting 11 & I’d say its (unusually so) pretty unanimous on here that it was wrong. It’s what is so frustrating & shows our real weakness is the coaching team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Naivety. Like putting four attackers on when you have no plan B, and expecting our fortunes to dramatically change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 The manager was desperate before the game so it was nothing more than a roll of the dice. To have 2 players who are not at peak match fitness, who've never played together before, at the most pivotal place on the pitch was nothing more than a gamble. And he lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pongo88 Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 12 minutes ago, Taz said: Mick McCarthy is not someone who I would enjoy watching football under, but he sure as hell would not be as easy to outwit than Dean Holden. There is the oft quoted Neil Warnock story. At a job interview he was asked if the supporters would like to watch his style of play. “They’d enjoy watching the team win for a change” he replied. He didn’t get the job. Mick McCarthy’s teams didn’t play exciting football when he was at Ipswich, but he was operating on a minuscule budget and he kept them in the Championship Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 46 minutes ago, Red Exile said: Midfield trio that appeared never to have played together before...plays like players who've never played together before... May be a whoosh moment, but they havent played together before. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, CotswoldRed said: The manager was desperate before the game so it was nothing more than a roll of the dice. To have 2 players who are not at peak match fitness, who've never played together before, at the most pivotal place on the pitch was nothing more than a gamble. And he lost. It's like taking 2-1 odds to roll a six, when you've already been offered evens to flip a coin. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcusX Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 47 minutes ago, sh1t_ref_again said: I thought looking at the videos of Lansbury he played as a forward midfielder rather than a defensive mid he played yesterday, anyone know his best position? Yea as if playing a midfield combo that had not played together before, and 2 looking rusty wasn't bad enough. When you then play them out of their best positions it's no surprise really. I'd say you need a Bakinson in there if you're going to play both so he can break up play and protect the defence a bit more Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 20 minutes ago, pongo88 said: There is the oft quoted Neil Warnock story. At a job interview he was asked if the supporters would like to watch his style of play. “They’d enjoy watching the team win for a change” he replied. He didn’t get the job. Mick McCarthy’s teams didn’t play exciting football when he was at Ipswich, but he was operating on a minuscule budget and he kept them in the Championship Ironically , that was at Middlesbrough , a fair few years back As for McCarthy , personally , he was my solid choice post Johnson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bassomylord Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 minute ago, Sheltons Army said: Ironically , that was at Middlesbrough , a fair few years back As for McCarthy , personally , he was my solid choice post Johnson Ironically Alan it was actually Norwich, you of all people should've known that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 46 minutes ago, Taz said: It's tactically naive by Larry, Curly, and Moe I'm trying to think,but nothing happens! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheltons Army Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 6 minutes ago, Bassomylord said: Ironically Alan it was actually Norwich, you of all people should've known that. Mummy taken your comics away Pep ? Bless #’The ranting buffoon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 16 minutes ago, JonDolman said: Williams been injured from about July? Only played a few days before. So really not surprising he looked very rusty. But seemed to be improving 2nd half. Lansbury however been fit all season. Didn't Holden say he is really fit and training well? He played in the single pivot role in front of the defence and looked like he has never played there before. Stupid challenge to get a yellow and lucky to not get a 2nd yellow in 2nd half. Dived in recklessly to Wilson in the box and surprised Wilson didn't dive as he probably could have won a penalty. And generally just didn't look anywhere near as good as Bakinson, Nagy or Vyner do in that role. I don't think Lansbury has ever played that kind of role before. Did we really need a Brunt replacement? He's experienced at championship level, but inexperienced in that role. He looked lost and I don't usually say this about players, but I don't think he looked completely up for it. Vyner came on and was far better. Actually our best player yesterday for simply doing quite well in that role. That's how crap we were! I thought Lansbury would be brought in as either a narrow wide right player or much more advanced, more like his Forest days where he scored goals. Clueless if this is the role he has been brought in to play when we have good options there. Williams got no problem with, he's a very good championship player who is much more of a Weimann or O'Dowda type in how he doesn't stop running. Lansbury however looked like a luxury yesterday in a defensive area of the pitch. Hopefully he proves me very wrong! You & I never agree on much,,but good post... Lansbury's an attacking midfielder with an eye for goal,,not in any way anything else so very odd to have him 'sit.... As regards fitness I believe he's played less than a handful of games this season...fitness not reletive to match sharpness imo... Indeed,,more square pegs in round holes - left back being another case in point!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedEyez Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, Taz said: Poor choice to play both from the start, for the first time. Someone like McCarthy would have said to his players - those two in the middle haven't played together before, are both making their first league starts, whilst one has been injured since the summer. Oh by the way, don't forget to get down the left side of their defence, because they have a square peg in a round hole. It's tactically naive by Larry, Curly, and Moe, to expect Lansbury and Williams to come in and win the midfield battles there against a physical team, especially when one has not played competitive football since the end of last season, and only had about 2 hours of u23 action under his belt. Mick McCarthy is not someone who I would enjoy watching football under, but he sure as hell would not be as easy to outwit than Dean Holden. Great post. Absolute nail on head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxjak Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said: I thought looking at the videos of Lansbury he played as a forward midfielder rather than a defensive mid he played yesterday, anyone know his best position? Car Park? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 1 hour ago, CotswoldRed said: The manager was desperate before the game so it was nothing more than a roll of the dice. To have 2 players who are not at peak match fitness, who've never played together before, at the most pivotal place on the pitch was nothing more than a gamble. And he lost. He rolled the dice again and got a one (as usual). As well as being a poor manager/head coach/whateveryouwanttocallit, he's crap at craps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 So it looks like we signed Lansbury and then played him in an unfamiliar role....what a shock that is ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bazooka Joe Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 2 hours ago, sh1t_ref_again said: I thought looking at the videos of Lansbury he played as a forward midfielder rather than a defensive mid he played yesterday, anyone know his best position? Solving murder mysteries with Angela. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 Imo playing Lansbury as the holding midfielder was a dereliction of duty. It’s negating his skills completely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YorkshireSection Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 I was half expecting to click on this topic and read.........something like.....both Williams and Landsbury, pick up hamstring injuries in opening fixture! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcherryberry Posted February 7, 2021 Report Share Posted February 7, 2021 3 hours ago, Rob k said: I didn’t watch the game so won’t pretend i did but i was very surprised to see them both starting and not very surprised to hear it didn’t work very well That’s surprising mate thought you loved the Severnside derby?!? Losing interest? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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