Bristol Oil Services Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 .... they were 13th in the old Second Division. They finished 16th that season. Just sayin, like. It was another full season before Peter Taylor joined him, in the summer of 1976. Then they were promoted that following season. Clough didn't/couldn't do it by himself. Cloughie was pretty ordinary/shite by himself, in fact. A big-mouth, a show-off, a piss-artist, but no miracle-worker. Not by himself. Just sayin .... These things take time. And trusted right-hand-men. Even for "miracle workers" like Brian Clough. Who was no miracle-worker by himself (by himself being more of a big-mouth, show-off and piss-artist). Just sayin, like .... These things take: 1. Time. 2. Trusted right-hand-men. And 3. The opportunity to sign your own players. Clough wasn't the talent spotter, Peter Taylor was. By himself, Cloughie signed some proper crud. The idea that one bloke can parachute in and immediately motivate players and transform a team with some Henry V/Agincourt like oratory and a bit of clenched-fist tub-thumping is a seductive one. But Brian Clough couldn't do it. Not at Nottm Forest. That's all I'm sayin. If you know what I'm sayin, like. Alec Ferguson could, though. But that's another story ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numero Uno Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 minute ago, Moments of Pleasure said: .... they were 13th in the old Second Division. They finished 16th that season. Just sayin, like. It was another full season before Peter Taylor joined him, in the summer of 1976. Then they were promoted that following season. Clough didn't/couldn't do it by himself. Cloughie was pretty ordinary/shite by himself, in fact. A big-mouth, a show-off, a piss-artist, but no miracle-worker. Not by himself. Just sayin .... These things take time. And trusted right-hand-men. Even for "miracle workers" like Brian Clough. Who was no miracle-worker by himself (by himself being more of a big-mouth, show-off and piss-artist). Just sayin, like .... These things take: 1. Time. 2. Trusted right-hand-men. And 3. The opportunity to sign your own players. Clough wasn't the talent spotter, Peter Taylor was. By himself, Cloughie signed some proper crud. The idea that one bloke can parachute in and immediately motivate players and transform a team with some Henry V/Agincourt like oratory and a bit of clenched-fist tub-thumping is a seductive one. But Brian Clough couldn't do it. Not at Nottm Forest. That's all I'm sayin. If you know what I'm sayin, like. Alec Ferguson could, though. But that's another story ....... Which is possibly why any announcement is on hold if we are going NP. There are other staff he will obviously want on board, it's a team effort which seems to be what you are alluding to? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Alligator Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 They're not famous any more. As we often remind them when they pay a visit. Clough & Taylor were a class act though, there's no doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingswood Robin Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 7 minutes ago, Red_Alligator said: They're not famous any more. As we often remind them when they pay a visit. Clough & Taylor were a class act though, there's no doubt. How do you win **** all? Forest usually remind us that we've never won it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 Our two most successful managers in recent history also had a bit of a rubbish start as well - Gary Johnson and Steve Cotterill. Hughton at Forest - crap start and gradually got better. It's not just the playing staff that are crap, we have to rebuild behind the scenes as well. It's not going to be an overnight turnaround, and changing manager now, is just going to put us on the backfoot again. Anybody who thinks otherwise, is to be quite frank, deluded. As deluded as the blue side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
red panda Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Moments of Pleasure said: ... The idea that one bloke can parachute in and immediately motivate players and transform a team with some Henry V/Agincourt like oratory and a bit of clenched-fist tub-thumping is a seductive one. But Brian Clough couldn't do it. Not at Nottm Forest. That's all I'm sayin. If you know what I'm sayin, like. Alec Ferguson could, though. But that's another story ....... Assume you mean Alex Ferguson - who was nearly sacked in early 1990 (one story being that a certain Mark Robins saved Fergie's job by scoring the goal that kept Utd in the FA Cup). It took even Fergie a long time to start winning titles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 Can’t wait to win Europe Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 So..... we've just got to appoint Peter Taylor as Pearson's AM. He's been quiet recently. Since 1990 in fact... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bristol Oil Services Posted April 26, 2021 Author Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 23 minutes ago, red panda said: Assume you mean Alex Ferguson - who was nearly sacked in early 1990 (one story being that a certain Mark Robins saved Fergie's job by scoring the goal that kept Utd in the FA Cup). It took even Fergie a long time to start winning titles. .....but not to win games. They were 21st when he started, and finished 11th that season. And 2nd the next season. People aren't upset because Nige int winning titles, they're fretting because he can't win a bloody game. Fergie's spell before he finally delivered the title was interesting, all over the place from 2nd to 13th to 2nd again. Point is, what Nige is doing with the fag end of this dud season might be telling us something vital or instructive, or it might not. But we have no way of knowing. SL won't have the foggiest whether it's the right idea either. He'll just have to see the whites of Nige's eyes, feel the firmness/limpness of his handshake (or fist/elbow pump) and just go with his Guernsey gut feeling. And make sure he gets the right people around him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 19 minutes ago, alexukhc said: Can’t wait to win Europe Big nige taking us on an away day to the san siro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveInSA Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 I said this, like to my brother yesterday like. Pearson is either off. or Pearson needs time to get his backroom team in agreement to come together. And. Big Steve needs to sign it off. Not small decisions. multi-million pound decisions. especially if big Nige doesn't take it on and we're relegated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Batman Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 Old Nottingham Forest have won more European cups / champions leagues than Man City, Chelsea, Arsenal & Spurs combined. Super league my arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Taz said: Our two most successful managers in recent history also had a bit of a rubbish start as well - Gary Johnson and Steve Cotterill. Hughton at Forest - crap start and gradually got better. It's not just the playing staff that are crap, we have to rebuild behind the scenes as well. It's not going to be an overnight turnaround, and changing manager now, is just going to put us on the backfoot again. Anybody who thinks otherwise, is to be quite frank, deluded. As deluded as the blue side. And it took Alan Dicks 5 years to get us out of the bottom half of (what is now) the Championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
22A Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 2 hours ago, Taz said: Our two most successful managers in recent history also had a bit of a rubbish start as well - Gary Johnson and Steve Cotterill. After just 12 months in post, "Dicks must go" was frequently heard at the Gate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Wiltshire robin said: Big nige taking us on an away day to the san siro Where ya sitting? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 hour ago, 22A said: After just 12 months in post, "Dicks must go" was frequently heard at the Gate. The chant I remember was a bit shorter than that!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 1 hour ago, 22A said: After just 12 months in post, "Dicks must go" was frequently heard at the Gate. Dicks out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Clevedon Red said: Dicks out It was around the same time that Newcastle fans wanted Arthur Cox dismissed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TedsHeadIs Red Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 38 minutes ago, Lanterne Rouge said: It was around the same time that Newcastle fans wanted Arthur Cox dismissed. And Paul Titts wasn’t that popular at Cranton Albion either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wiltshire robin Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 3 hours ago, alexukhc said: Where ya sitting? Home end with my city shirt on Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexukhc Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, Wiltshire robin said: Home end with my city shirt on Same here, see you at the bar, bring the red flare heard Italy are hot on them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS4 on Tour... Posted April 26, 2021 Report Share Posted April 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Taz said: Our two most successful managers in recent history also had a bit of a rubbish start as well - Gary Johnson and Steve Cotterill. Hughton at Forest - crap start and gradually got better. It's not just the playing staff that are crap, we have to rebuild behind the scenes as well. It's not going to be an overnight turnaround, and changing manager now, is just going to put us on the backfoot again. Anybody who thinks otherwise, is to be quite frank, deluded. As deluded as the blue side. Did Hughton have a crap start at Forest? Three wins, three draws and one defeat in his first seven games wasn’t it? That was in his first month or so in charge - not sure I’d call that a ‘crap start’ but he certainly improved them further after that ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldstandrobin Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 10 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: It was around the same time that Newcastle fans wanted Arthur Cox dismissed. yep, remember the City v Newcastle match, combined chants, Dicks, Cox Out. Or was I dreaming Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 16 hours ago, Moments of Pleasure said: .... they were 13th in the old Second Division. They finished 16th that season. Just sayin, like. It was another full season before Peter Taylor joined him, in the summer of 1976. Then they were promoted that following season. Clough didn't/couldn't do it by himself. Cloughie was pretty ordinary/shite by himself, in fact. A big-mouth, a show-off, a piss-artist, but no miracle-worker. Not by himself. Just sayin .... These things take time. And trusted right-hand-men. Even for "miracle workers" like Brian Clough. Who was no miracle-worker by himself (by himself being more of a big-mouth, show-off and piss-artist). Just sayin, like .... These things take: 1. Time. 2. Trusted right-hand-men. And 3. The opportunity to sign your own players. Clough wasn't the talent spotter, Peter Taylor was. By himself, Cloughie signed some proper crud. The idea that one bloke can parachute in and immediately motivate players and transform a team with some Henry V/Agincourt like oratory and a bit of clenched-fist tub-thumping is a seductive one. But Brian Clough couldn't do it. Not at Nottm Forest. That's all I'm sayin. If you know what I'm sayin, like. Alec Ferguson could, though. But that's another story ....... I was laughing like and gave you a laugh not in disrespect tho. Laughing and agreeing just to be clear. Taylor was much underrated at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midlands Robin Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 11 hours ago, TedsHeadIs Red said: And Paul Titts wasn’t that popular at Cranton Albion either. And I wonder what they sang when Karlsruher SC fans wanted to see the back of Stefan Kuntz? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted April 27, 2021 Report Share Posted April 27, 2021 6 hours ago, Midlands Robin said: And I wonder what they sang when Karlsruher SC fans wanted to see the back of Stefan Kuntz? Stefan must go (in German obvs)? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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