Port Said Red Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Before I start, this is in no way a criticism of Downing or especially Simpson, the latter I obviously wish a speedy recovery. I have noticed a few innovative bits in our play that I have to wonder if they are coming from Curtis Fleming as they seem a fresh approach. The first was the way we line up for set pieces into the box, which I first noticed last week against Swansea. It's a sort of hybrid of the zonal and man marking systems, with Kalas Atkinson etc taking up positions on the edge if the box and other players, running blocks pteventing free runs on the ball. The 2nd was mentioned by Williams in commentary, lining up for corners and long throws with the bigger men at the front post. 3rd is the variety of runs and positions we are taking with attacking set pieces, one in particular where the players stand in a group at the edge of the area and scatter in all directions as the ball is played in. In open play, there are also seems to be greater emphasis on 2nd ball and recovery of the ball, which is an area we have suffered in for a long time. It seems to me that central players in particular are rarely isolated, making it easier to intercept and lay off, in quick time. There may be other examples, but these are the ones that come to mind, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they have come in around the same time as CF. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 50 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: Before I start, this is in no way a criticism of Downing or especially Simpson, the latter I obviously wish a speedy recovery. I have noticed a few innovative bits in our play that I have to wonder if they are coming from Curtis Fleming as they seem a fresh approach. The first was the way we line up for set pieces into the box, which I first noticed last week against Swansea. It's a sort of hybrid of the zonal and man marking systems, with Kalas Atkinson etc taking up positions on the edge if the box and other players, running blocks pteventing free runs on the ball. The 2nd was mentioned by Williams in commentary, lining up for corners and long throws with the bigger men at the front post. 3rd is the variety of runs and positions we are taking with attacking set pieces, one in particular where the players stand in a group at the edge of the area and scatter in all directions as the ball is played in. In open play, there are also seems to be greater emphasis on 2nd ball and recovery of the ball, which is an area we have suffered in for a long time. It seems to me that central players in particular are rarely isolated, making it easier to intercept and lay off, in quick time. There may be other examples, but these are the ones that come to mind, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they have come in around the same time as CF. I can only imagine Fleming’s, cough, Fleming’s, cough, cough… training. There, that’s got it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Son of Fred Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 16 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: there are also seems to be greater emphasis on 2nd ball and recovery of the ball, We were fantastic with hoovering up the second ball on Saturday.. Clearly a point that's been worked on & adds pressure/makes life difficult for opponents.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 27 minutes ago, Major Isewater said: I can only imagine Fleming’s, cough, Fleming’s, cough, cough… training. Arse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Gasbuster Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 owf owf owf owf cocksucker !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 Frankly all of these are the base standard in any professional team, every team should be doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 1 hour ago, Port Said Red said: Before I start, this is in no way a criticism of Downing or especially Simpson, the latter I obviously wish a speedy recovery. I have noticed a few innovative bits in our play that I have to wonder if they are coming from Curtis Fleming as they seem a fresh approach. The first was the way we line up for set pieces into the box, which I first noticed last week against Swansea. It's a sort of hybrid of the zonal and man marking systems, with Kalas Atkinson etc taking up positions on the edge if the box and other players, running blocks pteventing free runs on the ball. The 2nd was mentioned by Williams in commentary, lining up for corners and long throws with the bigger men at the front post. 3rd is the variety of runs and positions we are taking with attacking set pieces, one in particular where the players stand in a group at the edge of the area and scatter in all directions as the ball is played in. In open play, there are also seems to be greater emphasis on 2nd ball and recovery of the ball, which is an area we have suffered in for a long time. It seems to me that central players in particular are rarely isolated, making it easier to intercept and lay off, in quick time. There may be other examples, but these are the ones that come to mind, and I don't think it's a coincidence that they have come in around the same time as CF. At its simplest we now have a “plan” and its being executed. No idea whether it’s Fleming’s influence at all. My gut feel is that coaches carry out the manager’s instructions in the main….and our current manager is excellent at giving clarity and rationale to them, and they pass it on to the players. I never bought that “Simpson and Downing are crap coaches” but as a “coaching team” it was a bit of mess. Re set pieces: Not forgetting the exquisite delivery from Matty James too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
And Its Smith Posted August 30, 2021 Report Share Posted August 30, 2021 We will never know if it is Fleming influence or not. Could be that the team has finally clicked on what they have been working on for a while Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lydered Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/fleming-named-assistant-manager/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 It will be a combination of all the first team coaches headed up by a good leader, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fontaineofallknowledge Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Do we think he's had a pay rise and the 2 England coaches a pay reduction or is this just a title thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Musicworks Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Part of the ongoing transition under Pearson. Fleming is his choice as his assistant rather than Simpson and Downing who he inherited. Wouldn’t be surprised to see either of those take up positions elsewhere before too long. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exAtyeoMax Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 3 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said: Part of the ongoing transition under Pearson. Fleming is his choice as his assistant rather than Simpson and Downing who he inherited. Wouldn’t be surprised to see either of those take up positions elsewhere before too long. Perhaps Paul Simpson is still recuperating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Simpson and Downing now both First Team coaches. Think they can both still have a good impact behind the scenes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 I see this as good news. Fleming knows the Championship very well and he wont allow standards to slip. Along with Dave Rennie he has been a good addition to the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 10 minutes ago, Johnny Musicworks said: Part of the ongoing transition under Pearson. Fleming is his choice as his assistant rather than Simpson and Downing who he inherited. Wouldn’t be surprised to see either of those take up positions elsewhere before too long. It’s made trickier by Simpson’s illness, I think. There were rumours that Downing was on Villa’s radar earlier on, but Simpson was unwell at the time, had that not been the case maybe he’d have gone. From the outside with Cisse on the staff as well, this does look one too many to me. Certainly made very clear here that Fleming is higher in the pecking order & as you rightly say, NP’s only appointment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BetterRedthanBlue Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 22 minutes ago, Fontaineofallknowledge said: Do we think he's had a pay rise and the 2 England coaches a pay reduction or is this just a title thing? I'd just say a retitling. Possible pay rise for Fleming but NP seems happy with Downing and Simpson and they seem a lot more involved in the videos. Given Simpson's illness though and recovery him just being a coach and maybe not travelling with the squad would be a boost for him not having to worry. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YGBjammy Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Interesting reshuffle. Anyone know any more about Fleming's work at other clubs? Can see he has been at quite a few, but that could be interpreted as both good and bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lrrr Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 Expect it will be a case of Simpson and Downing being let go when contracts run out rather than paying them off to leave sooner and between now and then Pearson will reshape the coaching side as he wants to, Pearson may well be 'happy' to work with them as they're here and they knew players where he didn't but now he's up to speed when he gets the chance to bring in people he wants to I expect he will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 2 minutes ago, Lrrr said: Expect it will be a case of Simpson and Downing being let go when contracts run out rather than paying them off to leave sooner and between now and then Pearson will reshape the coaching side as he wants to, Pearson may well be 'happy' to work with them as they're here and they knew players where he didn't but now he's up to speed when he gets the chance to bring in people he wants to I expect he will. He could even decide that they are people who work well with him and keep them around. That's just the optimist in me talking though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 38 minutes ago, 2015 said: I see this as good news. Fleming knows the Championship very well and he wont allow standards to slip. Along with Dave Rennie he has been a good addition to the club I don’t necessarily disagree, but how can we *know* that? Fans have no idea what impact coaches make really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rossi the Robin Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 I’d imagine Simpson and Downing are the ‘good cops’ when it comes down to communicating with the players - a good balance is always required. It will be interesting to see how this pans out longer term Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 minute ago, Phileas Fogg said: I don’t necessarily disagree, but how can we *know* that? Fans have no idea what impact coaches make really. That might be true to some extent, but I think you can tell from the matches when there is a change to the way the team approach certain things, like the ones I mentioned in my original post. The other thing I have noticed, and mentioned elsewhere, is how players are positioning themselves around the penalty to deal with the ball being cut back from the byeline or the care they are taking not to create set piece situations around the box. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phileas Fogg Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 9 minutes ago, Port Said Red said: That might be true to some extent, but I think you can tell from the matches when there is a change to the way the team approach certain things, like the ones I mentioned in my original post. The other thing I have noticed, and mentioned elsewhere, is how players are positioning themselves around the penalty to deal with the ball being cut back from the byeline or the care they are taking not to create set piece situations around the box. True - just a bit tenuous to assign said change to a particular coach. I understand what people are saying and have no doubt different coaches can have an impact; just question whether fans themselves can really *know* based on being only able to see a match. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 I wonder if Downing or Simpson might transition into Academy roles given their “previous” with England age-groups. Now they’re in situ would be a shame to see their experience walk out the door. Now that everyone is at HPC, either could work more closely with Alex Ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 47 minutes ago, YGBjammy said: Interesting reshuffle. Anyone know any more about Fleming's work at other clubs? Can see he has been at quite a few, but that could be interpreted as both good and bad. Is there a place for Matt Hancock ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 16 minutes ago, Phileas Fogg said: True - just a bit tenuous to assign said change to a particular coach. I understand what people are saying and have no doubt different coaches can have an impact; just question whether fans themselves can really *know* based on being only able to see a match. I've been to every game bar the FGR and Middlesbrough games and from what I've seen (bar how awful the Luton game was) we look far more organised than the end of last term and you can see a game plan in most matches. I would like to think Fleming has made a little bit of impact on the organisation side of things. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OneTeamInBristol Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 1 hour ago, YGBjammy said: Interesting reshuffle. Anyone know any more about Fleming's work at other clubs? Can see he has been at quite a few, but that could be interpreted as both good and bad. Most recently he was at Punjab FC for last season as head coach. They finished 4th in the IPL, he won 6 games out of 15 with them. Although quite what working in the IPL tells us about anybody is highly debatable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slartibartfast Posted September 22, 2021 Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 49 minutes ago, 2015 said: I've been to every game bar the FGR and Middlesbrough games and from what I've seen (bar how awful the Luton game was) we look far more organised than the end of last term and you can see a game plan in most matches. I would like to think Fleming has made a little bit of impact on the organisation side of things. Whilst we are nowhere near "great", as opposed to last year we are now competitive, which is all we can ask for at the moment . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted September 22, 2021 Author Report Share Posted September 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, OneTeamInBristol said: Most recently he was at Punjab FC for last season as head coach. They finished 4th in the IPL, he won 6 games out of 15 with them. Although quite what working in the IPL tells us about anybody is highly debatable. Looks like you looked at the same Wiki pages as me. I couldn't help looking at their current squad, I can understand how they get a couple of English players with Ashley Westwood as Manager, but they also have a Spanish player. There are a lot of nomadic players out there I know, perhaps someone can remind me who the goalkeeper was that wrote a book on it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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