cidered abroad Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 hour ago, PHILINFRANCE said: I assume you are referring to Gerry Gow - Bristol and Manchester City. Gerry was certainly skinny and raw when he made his first team debut, but I would suggest that GG and AB are (were) somewhat different characters - Gerry was always a confident, brash even, hard man, especially as part of that wonderful youth team, whereas I perceive AS as being more of a skilful, graceful player; not to say that GG wasn't skilful. He only played for one City, albeit twice. I was just trying to highlight that a twenty minute sub debut isn't the best way to decide how well an 18 years lad will progress. Also I'm not privy to Pearson's reasons for bringing him on. What I do believe is that NP knows exactly why he gave him his debut and trust that he would not risk his football career. If we can stay in this league at end of season, the club will benefit from the appearances last/this year by the City Academy boys. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 5 hours ago, GrahamC said: I don’t want to knock the kid, but how much off the standard was he? Could see a case for taking him back off, so weak and letting his man go repeatedly. It was like playing with 10 men, not sure he made a single positive contribution. I hate to say this but... I seriously worry about a manager's judgement if he thinks this kid is ready because for that 20 mins cameo we were, like you say, playing with 10 men. Then again, he replaced Bakinson, which meant we'd be playing with 10 men for the previous 70 mins anyway. Palmer would have held onto the ball better, which says it all. We are a shambles. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 3 hours ago, Jasper Testimitanu said: Embarrassing how our ‘fans’ write a player off on 25 minutes, wasn’t the most complete performance, however it’s a start and hopefully more to come, plenty of energy and if you listened to his interview you’ll see he’s level headed enough to recognise his personal performance wasn’t at the level he wanted/expected. We’ve got some good young lads that will no doubt come good, fans have to play there part with a bit of reality abs patience. He’s not written him off. He’s merely stated that in that game and in that situation, he wasn’t ready or able to do what was required. He makes a sound tactical point and it crossed my mind, too, that AB could have been taken off. It’s not a comment about his undoubted potential, just an analysis of what was needed in the last 20 minutes. I agree with Graham - it was a poor choice of sub and the young lad really struggled. But good luck to him. I hope he’s got something about him. We could do with some players who get us excited because we don’t have many of them at the moment. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 11 minutes ago, billywedlock said: Who was your choice of sub ? Or no sub maybe ? Scott for Martin! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 9 minutes ago, billywedlock said: Who was your choice of sub ? Or no sub maybe ? Scott. I'd back him not to have a heavy touch virtually every time he had the ball, or choose wrong options or, extraordinarily, tackle - and flatten - his own team mate and in the process gift possession straight to the opposition in our own half (at which point, because I was looking right at him, Pearson went mental - and I mean mental). The lad's clearly a talent but I'm struggling to remember a worse sub cameo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, billywedlock said: I was surprised it was not Scott. COD no way after his useless contribution in closing out the Forest game. Bold putting on AB , NP explained why , so he thought someone fresh without baggage was needed. I'm delighted for AB and whilst it was a tough baptism I don't share the negative vibes on here. These players are the players that will form the core of any promotion side. We are not going to buy our way to the top. We also need to know what they are made of. Very very young of course but both Scott and AB look to have a great future. I don’t think he was anywhere near as bad as made out, but it shows how some come in and look ready (Scott, Conway) and others might need more than 25 mins (Benarous, Bell). No shame in an 18 year old needing time to adjust, least of all in a frantic game like today. Some of our more senior players having given far worse at times! Its all about taking the learnings from it. He’ll realise he has to think a bit quicker next time. Edited October 30, 2021 by Davefevs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 Hopefully get Antoine, Joe and Tommy back over the next week or so, and we have more options….and a couple / few more of the 18 drop out….and we look stronger imho 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 Just now, billywedlock said: You don't recall Palmer and COD at our previous home game ! I do and I've also given up on Palmer as the answer to any of our problems - which indicates how poorly i think the young man played today. Just telling it straight, like Pearson does Bill ! He's obviously a good player but is he ready?? Not on the evidence of that today - even if it's just for 20 mins, I expect him to control the ball and find a team mate, something he failed to do repeatedly. Never mind tackling his own team mate when we had possession which gifted the ball to Barnsley in our own half. Not the lad's finest moment. I agree wholeheartedly with your point that we're unlikely to buy our way to promotion and so the likes of Benarous will form the basis of any successful City side going forward. But based on the team's performance today, that might be a successful City side that wins promotion from L1 to the Chamlionship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hollydog Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 4 hours ago, billywedlock said: Delighted for the lad. We will see a lot more of him over the years to come. Me too. Can’t believe why anybody would want to say anything else after today. What is wrong with people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 14 minutes ago, Davefevs said: He’ll realise he has to think a bit quicker next time. He had 1 moment where he had the ball under control and was facing up 2 defenders just outside their area. He didn't look to just keep possession and pass backwards to a team mate (first mistake). Instead he wanted to take them on. Fair play lad, I thought, show us what you're about. He started to dribble... and was dispossessed like taking candy from a baby. As you say - absolutely everything he did needs to be quicker. Sharper. More precise. He's better than what he showed today. What I question is the person who thought he was ready. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 1 minute ago, Merrick's Marvels said: He had 1 moment where he had the ball under control and was facing up 2 defenders just outside their area. He didn't look to just keep possession and pass backwards to a team mate (first mistake). Instead he wanted to take them on. Fair play lad, I thought, show us what you're about. He started to dribble... and was dispossessed like taking candy from a baby. As you say - absolutely everything he did needs to be quicker. Sharper. More precise. He's better than what he showed today. What I question is the person who thought he was ready. I remember that incident…I agree. This next comment is not about Benarous, but generally about how “match-like” training is? I watched Callum O’Dowda skin his man 3 times in one Robinstv clip recently, and then I saw him try to “do” Joe Williams, who just put his arm across him and eased him off the ball. That’s not having a go at O’Dowda either, but Williams for me, showed how you train at “match intensity”. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bearded_red Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 7 hours ago, Simon bristol said: Would rather see benarous or scott than palmer or odowda Ain’t that the truth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted October 30, 2021 Report Share Posted October 30, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Davefevs said: I remember that incident…I agree. This next comment is not about Benarous, but generally about how “match-like” training is? I watched Callum O’Dowda skin his man 3 times in one Robinstv clip recently, and then I saw him try to “do” Joe Williams, who just put his arm across him and eased him off the ball. That’s not having a go at O’Dowda either, but Williams for me, showed how you train at “match intensity”. I've been wanting to post something about that Failand Uncut video! O'Dowda looks like Messi in that video - skinning people for fun in tight spaces with incredible skill. Who the hell is that bloke cos the fella who turns up on matchday is someone completely different!?! Edited October 30, 2021 by Merrick's Marvels 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaveF Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 18 year old comes on for debut. Gets slated on Internet forums. Hopefully Benarous doesn't read otib. 7 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garland-sweden Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 10 hours ago, petehinton said: Speaks more volume about what he thinks about Bakinson’s performance and what he thinks about CO’D. Hell of a risk, and didn’t really pay off. Win is all that counts I suppose Yes, Bakinson and COD is not the players who is strong to defend. Im sure our young player is good. Barnsley were all over us and difficault for B to make an impact. Williams, King injured, not many players left to play in midfield. As you say, win is all that counts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richwwtk Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 I didn't think Benarous was that bad, certainly no worse than the rest of the side, and Martin tackling him in the last few minutes was awful on Martin's part, not the other way round. Having said that, I thought at the time it was a very strange substitution to be making, especially as Bakinson had just had his best 10 minutes of the match when he was taken off. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted October 31, 2021 Author Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 1 hour ago, richwwtk said: I didn't think Benarous was that bad, certainly no worse than the rest of the side, and Martin tackling him in the last few minutes was awful on Martin's part, not the other way round. Having said that, I thought at the time it was a very strange substitution to be making, especially as Bakinson had just had his best 10 minutes of the match when he was taken off. I think what happens with Bakinson is Nige reacts to certain situations, there was one just in front of me in the Dolman when he made no attempt whatsoever to put a challenge in, just after he was too weak in a tackle & was taken off. He isn’t my favourite but thought he was no poorer than others yesterday & could have stayed on, at least for another 10. I’d have moved Weimann up top for Martin & brought on Scott first, then O’Dowda for Bakinson afterwards. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 75 Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 Fair play to him proud day for him and his family. Imagine being 17 coming on for your debut in circumstances of immense pressure for many reasons. He was bound to be nervous and that probably showed . But he done ok even our own players wanted to tackle him. Have no doubt this boy is the real deal. Well done lad 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firstdivision Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 9 hours ago, billywedlock said: Who was your choice of sub ? Or no sub maybe ? Simpson for Kalas. Obvs. Either that, or O’Dowda for Bentley. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 got to also remember its still early in the season,come christmas, i dare say we will have a few more out with injuries/isolating etc, so the more players Nige has with experience ,the better. towler out on loan is an example should pring get whacked bid time,or jd for that matter. martin will need a rest sooner or later ,imagine if wells gets a cruncher at the same time. i think someone already mentioned that the second half of the season is being planned for in these earlyish games Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeAman08 Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 Had no problem with the change. He needs some minutes at this level to show the standard he needs to be at. Not as if city are going to be cruising at 2 or 3 nil anytime soon. He had a couple poor touches and was caught out a few times. On the flip side, he just saw how perfect and switched on he needs to be. Positive 25 minutes for him and we still got the 3 points. Rode our luck at times but we were always going to need a fair portion of luck to get that win at home. These young players are only going to help us going forward and as I said there will be no easy games to come into. Going to have to persevere at times as fans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lew-T Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 9 hours ago, Davefevs said: Hopefully get Antoine, Joe and Tommy back over the next week or so, and we have more options….and a couple / few more of the 18 drop out….and we look stronger imho Much needed energy there. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1960maaan Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 41 minutes ago, GrahamC said: I think what happens with Bakinson is Nige reacts to certain situations, there was one just in front of me in the Dolman when he made no attempt whatsoever to put a challenge in, just after he was too weak in a tackle & was taken off. He isn’t my favourite but thought he was no poorer than others yesterday & could have stayed on, at least for another 10. I’d have moved Weimann up top for Martin & brought on Scott first, then O’Dowda for Bakinson afterwards. I think that was nearer my thinking. When Bakinson came off I would have wanted a little more solidity or impact. COD slotting into CMF and able to run at their defence takes pressure off too. For that situation I thought Banarous was a little light weight for the situation, I know there are rarely perfect times to blood youngsters, but we needed to battle through that last 15 minutes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shelts Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 More important is what the gaffa thinks of the lad and not our opinions!!! Never heard of him before so was very surprised to see him come on . A winning start to his first team debut. He wasn’t afraid to keep hold of the ball and yes he came unstuck with that ! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INCRED Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 17 hours ago, RedorDead BCFC said: What like he did when he came on against Forest? O’Dowda for me is not the player you write about. One game maybe a season he’s good then it’s back to normal. One of NPs not on the bus players? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jasper Testimitanu Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 12 hours ago, firstdivision said: He’s not written him off. He’s merely stated that in that game and in that situation, he wasn’t ready or able to do what was required. He makes a sound tactical point and it crossed my mind, too, that AB could have been taken off. It’s not a comment about his undoubted potential, just an analysis of what was needed in the last 20 minutes. I agree with Graham - it was a poor choice of sub and the young lad really struggled. But good luck to him. I hope he’s got something about him. We could do with some players who get us excited because we don’t have many of them at the moment. Fair point however it would be more constructive to feed some positive energy behind the lad rather than highlighting a hypothetical tactical situation/weakness that didn’t transpire in fact the change rightly or wrongly in anyone’s eyes resulted in a home win and 3 points, Benarous played his part. Agree I’m also hopeful he can bring some positivity to the season! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid in the Riot Posted October 31, 2021 Report Share Posted October 31, 2021 3 hours ago, GrahamC said: I think what happens with Bakinson is Nige reacts to certain situations, there was one just in front of me in the Dolman when he made no attempt whatsoever to put a challenge in, just after he was too weak in a tackle & was taken off. He isn’t my favourite but thought he was no poorer than others yesterday & could have stayed on, at least for another 10. I’d have moved Weimann up top for Martin & brought on Scott first, then O’Dowda for Bakinson afterwards. Nige is quite reactive. It's the reason Tanner was subbed last week. Tanner was jogging instead of running back into position and Nige went mental on the touchline. Couple of minutes later and Tanner was subbed off. It could be seen as a weakness, letting your emotions influence decisions too much. I think it's also a case of Nige putting down markers on the squad though, and setting standards. If you want to come on this journey then 95% commitment isn't good enough. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Kid in the Riot said: Nige is quite reactive. It's the reason Tanner was subbed last week. Tanner was jogging instead of running back into position and Nige went mental on the touchline. Couple of minutes later and Tanner was subbed off. It could be seen as a weakness, letting your emotions influence decisions too much. I think it's also a case of Nige putting down markers on the squad though, and setting standards. If you want to come on this journey then 95% commitment isn't good enough. Spot on. It's aimed at the whole squad. An indication he will not accept mental weakness. Shape up or shove off. It didn't stop Tanner getting selected next game. I much prefer this to the LJ policy of naming them in post match interviews then banishing them for months before picking them out the blue for a big game. I can remember that being done with the likes of Adelukan at Leeds for example. 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 On 30/10/2021 at 17:28, GrahamC said: I don’t want to knock the kid, but how much off the standard was he? Could see a case for taking him back off, so weak and letting his man go repeatedly. It was like playing with 10 men, not sure he made a single positive contribution. Too small, too slow, too passive and just not ready Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clutton Caveman Posted November 1, 2021 Report Share Posted November 1, 2021 22 hours ago, Kid in the Riot said: Nige is quite reactive. It's the reason Tanner was subbed last week. Tanner was jogging instead of running back into position and Nige went mental on the touchline. Couple of minutes later and Tanner was subbed off. It could be seen as a weakness, letting your emotions influence decisions too much. I think it's also a case of Nige putting down markers on the squad though, and setting standards. If you want to come on this journey then 95% commitment isn't good enough. Well if that is the standard set I think he could make 3 or 4 changes each week including Bakinson every time he plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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