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Hello and welcome to December which in City’s case starts with the visit of WRDC - the Robins v the Rams. Here’s the programme: https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/cal-of-duty-in-your-free-robins-matchday-programme/ to get a ticket: https://tickets.bristol-sport.co.uk/en-gb/categories/bristolcityfchome

As throughout the rest of the country the City family will have been horrified and heartbroken by the story of young Arthur Labinjo-Hughes. Many football clubs supporters are planning an applause in the 6h minute of their games this weekend. So in the 6th minute of todays game let’s hope all supporters will take part in a minutes applause for young Arthur to let him know he is loved.

You may want to arrive to Ashton Gate a little earlier today because City legends Paul Cheesley, Tom Ritchie, Gerry Sweeney and Trevor Tainton will be in the Sports Bar from 12:30pm signing copies of The Four Seasons book - the story of the Robins in the top-flight from 1976-1980, https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/meet-city-legends-at-the-four-seasons-book-signing/

Off the pitch Derby County are in turmoil, however, on it they are doing pretty well - so best we are under no illusions about the task today.

Let’s start with the football on the pitch. They have won 4, lost 6 and drawn 10 so have actually gained 22 points, just one less than us, however, they sit bottom of the table given the 21 points deduction that’s been imposed. As NP repeatedly and wisely reminds everyone today’s game is about what we do as a team more than it is about our opponents.

Last season we won 1-0 at home and lost 1-0 away, our head-to-head record against them is lost 38, won 21 and drawn 18. This campaign the Rams have proved resilient conceding fewer goals than any club outside the top six.

On Monday they faced QPR a game they lost 2-1, to a superb 90th minute goal from Andre Gray, (a case of black and white being undone by Gray) having been ahead and their recent form is LDWDL = 5 points (which includes a draw against Fulham and a victory over Bournemouth.) The day before we were woeful and I thought Ole captured our performance aptly and succinctly in the opening paragraph of his match report on here: ‘City's mini revival - and by revival I mean we won one football match - collapsed cheaply in the snow at Sheffield as the Blades under new management but with the same record as us, found it breathtakingly easy to carve open and outplay us for a comfortable 2-0 win that could really have been much more.’

Their best players over the seasons have included Archie Gemmill, Alan Hinton, Dave Mackay, Roy McFarland, Colin Todd, Kevin Hector and Steve Bloomer.

Their off the field activities have instilled something of a siege mentality. There is extensive coverage on this forum about the impact of their failings re financial fair play and Mr P in particular has provided excellent information and clarification throughout this saga if you want to learn more head to the ‘Derby deserve relegation’ thread. Otherwise, here is a synopsis:  In 2015 local businessman Mel Morris assumed ownership of the club. Morris initially oversaw a level of spending unprecedented in Derby's history, breaking the club's transfer record four times in his first three years, but also oversaw an equally unprecedented managerial turnover with nine managers in six years from June 2015. In this period the club endured three unsuccessful play-off campaigns, failing in the semi-finals twice and losing in the 2019 final to Aston Villa; in May 2021, the club, now managed by Wayne Rooney, narrowly avoided relegation to League One.  Earlier, in October 2020, it was announced that Morris was intending to sell the club and was actively seeking new owners. A potential deal with a Middle Eastern-backed company was discontinued in March 2021, after which an agreed sale to a Spanish businessman, Erik Alonso, also fell through after doubts about Alonso's funding emerged, alongside possible EFL sanctions regarding breaches of financial fair play regulations  (a deduction of nine points remained under consideration in mid-September 2021).

On  8 July 2021, the EFL imposed a transfer embargo on the club, leaving Rooney with a squad of just nine contracted senior professionals; however, the EFL later relaxed the embargo but said any deals will have strict wage limits. Following a long-term injury to Colin Kazim-Richards in the early stage of this season, the club were given special dispensation by the EFL to bring in veteran defender Phil Jagielka and striker Sam Baldock.

On 17 September 2021, the club’s board of directors announced that the club was to go into administration. The EFL confirmed Derby would face a 12-point deduction. Having invested "in excess of £200m" in the club, owner Mel Morris apologised to fans and staff about the administration.

Relegated in May 2021, former Championship club Wycombe Wanderers considered legal action against Derby County following the administration announcement. On 22 September 2021 the club formally went into administration and were deducted 12 points leaving them bottom of the Championship, but the administrators subsequently appealed against the automatic points deduction; an appeal hearing was adjourned on 8 November.

During October and November 2021, former Derby owner Andy Appleby, US businessman Chris Kirchner and Sandy and James Easdale were named as interested parties as administrators looked for a buyer for the club, planning to shortlist of three preferred bidders by the end of 2021. However, a quick sale was unlikely pending discussions with HMRC owed around £28m, and the confirmation of the full extent of Derby's liabilities. On 16 November 2021, the club had a further deduction of nine points for breaching EFL accounting rules, leaving the club on -3, 18 points from safety. A further three-point deduction, for breaches of EFL profitability and sustainability rules, was suspended. On 20 November 2021, Derby and related companies were reported to owe £29.3m to HMRC; other liabilities included a £20m loan from US investment group MSD Holdings, plus various football and trade creditors owed around £15m. The following day, administrators said they hoped to identify a preferred buyer "in the next two to three weeks", with Kirchner the only potential buyer to have publicly confirmed his interest, he was there to watch their game on Monday evening.  The 34-year-old flew over for the game - the third home fixture he has attended since making his interest in the club known.

Derby County suffered a trading loss of £1.2m during their first eight weeks in administration. From 22 September to 15 November the club built £2.032m in income but spent £3.278m, including £2.136m on wages. The situation would have been even worse without a £1.25m loan from investment company MSD, who as mentioned are already owed £20m by the club and will have a significant say in their exit from administration.

On Thursday a media story broke which suggested that potential buyers of Derby County believe that unless HMRC agrees to quarter the £29.3 million it is owed - a deal that would risk setting a dangerous legal precedent - then the club is in serious danger of being liquidated.

For more on how a dream became a nightmare see this: https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-administration-mel-morris-5956835

Derby ditties

  • When Derby County moved to the Baseball Ground in 1895, a stadium that would be their home for the next 102 years, they had to evict gypsies off the site.It’s believed that one of the gypsies placed a curse on the club, and it’s also believed that the curse specified that Derby would never win the FA Cup. The Rams reached three FA Cup finals in the next eight years, losing all three, including a 6-0 loss to Bury in 1903. Derby were also relegated to the Second Division in 1907 for the first time in their history, but gained promotion back to the top league four years later. In 1946, Derby County did win the FA Cup. Jackie Stamps is rumoured to have paid a gypsy to have the curse lifted before the day of the final. Stamps scored twice in the final as the Rams won 4-1.
  • On the 8th September 1888, the first ever football league matches were played. Derby County were away to Bolton Wanderers for their first ever league game, and came away 6-3 winners. No league table was ever actually published after the first ever league fixtures, but based on modern day calculations, Derby County would’ve topped the table due to their goal difference and goals scored.
  • In 1975, Derby County met European giants Real Madrid in the Second Round of the European Cup. The Rams ran out 4-1 winners against the Spaniards, with David Nish scoring to add to Charlie George’s hat-trick.

We will be without Baker, Williams, James, King and Tanner today, given the size of the squad that pretty much means the squad for today is determined simply by who is available and who NP has decided isn’t ‘on the bus’. Derby Striker Sam Baldock (hamstring) and defender Lee Buchanan (knee) are both sidelined.

Sharing this about parking for today:

Some colleagues and I will be cycling from London to Paris to raise money for the Grand Appeal in aid of Bristol Children's Hospital next year. Together, we're trying to raise £20,000 for the charity.

As part of our fundraising effort today we will be opening our staff car park on Cumberland Road for City fans, just a 15 minute walk from Ashton Gate.

There are 50 spaces available!

We are asking for £10 donation per car for the charity. Payment can be cash or contactless.

The car park will be open strictly between 12:30 - 19:00.

Any questions contact - 07411831381

Find out more and donate here if you'd like:

https://london-to-paris.justgiving-sites.com/team/grand-appeal-london-to-paris-2022

HOW TO FIND US:

122 Cumberland Road, BS1 6UN

MAP: 

https://imgur.com/YupJnQV

Map to Ashton Gate:

https://imgur.com/a/p1c97hn

Street View:

https://imgur.com/a/JIYk24N

Think this will be a tight game wit( someone winning 1-0 just hope it’s us, COYR.

 

 

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Afternoon all!   Hoping for a good performance today, however, I think that it will be a narrow win for WRDC.  Hope I am wrong and we manage to get at least a draw.  As we had a lot of snow over night and temperatures are down to minus, I am going to settle down to watch Buxton v Morecambe then listen to City v Derby and then after watch Yeovil v Stevenage.  A great Saturday of football, so COYR's.

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2 hours ago, Jerseybean said:

Hello and welcome to December which in City’s case starts with the visit of WRDC - the Robins v the Rams. Here’s the programme: https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/cal-of-duty-in-your-free-robins-matchday-programme/ to get a ticket: https://tickets.bristol-sport.co.uk/en-gb/categories/bristolcityfchome

As throughout the rest of the country the City family will have been horrified and heartbroken by the story of young Arthur Labinjo-Hughes. Many football clubs supporters are planning an applause in the 6h minute of their games this weekend. So in the 6th minute of todays game let’s hope all supporters will take part in a minutes applause for young Arthur to let him know he is loved.

You may want to arrive to Ashton Gate a little earlier today because City legends Paul Cheesley, Tom Ritchie, Gerry Sweeney and Trevor Tainton will be in the Sports Bar from 12:30pm signing copies of The Four Seasons book - the story of the Robins in the top-flight from 1976-1980, https://www.bcfc.co.uk/news/meet-city-legends-at-the-four-seasons-book-signing/

Off the pitch Derby County are in turmoil, however, on it they are doing pretty well - so best we are under no illusions about the task today.

Let’s start with the football on the pitch. They have won 4, lost 6 and drawn 10 so have actually gained 22 points, just one less than us, however, they sit bottom of the table given the 21 points deduction that’s been imposed. As NP repeatedly and wisely reminds everyone today’s game is about what we do as a team more than it is about our opponents.

Last season we won 1-0 at home and lost 1-0 away, our head-to-head record against them is lost 38, won 21 and drawn 18. This campaign the Rams have proved resilient conceding fewer goals than any club outside the top six.

On Monday they faced QPR a game they lost 2-1, to a superb 90th minute goal from Andre Gray, (a case of black and white being undone by Gray) having been ahead and their recent form is LDWDL = 5 points (which includes a draw against Fulham and a victory over Bournemouth.) The day before we were woeful and I thought Ole captured our performance aptly and succinctly in the opening paragraph of his match report on here: ‘City's mini revival - and by revival I mean we won one football match - collapsed cheaply in the snow at Sheffield as the Blades under new management but with the same record as us, found it breathtakingly easy to carve open and outplay us for a comfortable 2-0 win that could really have been much more.’

Their best players over the seasons have included Archie Gemmill, Alan Hinton, Dave Mackay, Roy McFarland, Colin Todd, Kevin Hector and Steve Bloomer.

Their off the field activities have instilled something of a siege mentality. There is extensive coverage on this forum about the impact of their failings re financial fair play and Mr P in particular has provided excellent information and clarification throughout this saga if you want to learn more head to the ‘Derby deserve relegation’ thread. Otherwise, here is a synopsis:  In 2015 local businessman Mel Morris assumed ownership of the club. Morris initially oversaw a level of spending unprecedented in Derby's history, breaking the club's transfer record four times in his first three years, but also oversaw an equally unprecedented managerial turnover with nine managers in six years from June 2015. In this period the club endured three unsuccessful play-off campaigns, failing in the semi-finals twice and losing in the 2019 final to Aston Villa; in May 2021, the club, now managed by Wayne Rooney, narrowly avoided relegation to League One.  Earlier, in October 2020, it was announced that Morris was intending to sell the club and was actively seeking new owners. A potential deal with a Middle Eastern-backed company was discontinued in March 2021, after which an agreed sale to a Spanish businessman, Erik Alonso, also fell through after doubts about Alonso's funding emerged, alongside possible EFL sanctions regarding breaches of financial fair play regulations  (a deduction of nine points remained under consideration in mid-September 2021).

On  8 July 2021, the EFL imposed a transfer embargo on the club, leaving Rooney with a squad of just nine contracted senior professionals; however, the EFL later relaxed the embargo but said any deals will have strict wage limits. Following a long-term injury to Colin Kazim-Richards in the early stage of this season, the club were given special dispensation by the EFL to bring in veteran defender Phil Jagielka and striker Sam Baldock.

On 17 September 2021, the club’s board of directors announced that the club was to go into administration. The EFL confirmed Derby would face a 12-point deduction. Having invested "in excess of £200m" in the club, owner Mel Morris apologised to fans and staff about the administration.

Relegated in May 2021, former Championship club Wycombe Wanderers considered legal action against Derby County following the administration announcement. On 22 September 2021 the club formally went into administration and were deducted 12 points leaving them bottom of the Championship, but the administrators subsequently appealed against the automatic points deduction; an appeal hearing was adjourned on 8 November.

During October and November 2021, former Derby owner Andy Appleby, US businessman Chris Kirchner and Sandy and James Easdale were named as interested parties as administrators looked for a buyer for the club, planning to shortlist of three preferred bidders by the end of 2021. However, a quick sale was unlikely pending discussions with HMRC owed around £28m, and the confirmation of the full extent of Derby's liabilities. On 16 November 2021, the club had a further deduction of nine points for breaching EFL accounting rules, leaving the club on -3, 18 points from safety. A further three-point deduction, for breaches of EFL profitability and sustainability rules, was suspended. On 20 November 2021, Derby and related companies were reported to owe £29.3m to HMRC; other liabilities included a £20m loan from US investment group MSD Holdings, plus various football and trade creditors owed around £15m. The following day, administrators said they hoped to identify a preferred buyer "in the next two to three weeks", with Kirchner the only potential buyer to have publicly confirmed his interest, he was there to watch their game on Monday evening.  The 34-year-old flew over for the game - the third home fixture he has attended since making his interest in the club known.

Derby County suffered a trading loss of £1.2m during their first eight weeks in administration. From 22 September to 15 November the club built £2.032m in income but spent £3.278m, including £2.136m on wages. The situation would have been even worse without a £1.25m loan from investment company MSD, who as mentioned are already owed £20m by the club and will have a significant say in their exit from administration.

On Thursday a media story broke which suggested that potential buyers of Derby County believe that unless HMRC agrees to quarter the £29.3 million it is owed - a deal that would risk setting a dangerous legal precedent - then the club is in serious danger of being liquidated.

For more on how a dream became a nightmare see this: https://www.derbytelegraph.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-county-administration-mel-morris-5956835

Derby ditties

  • When Derby County moved to the Baseball Ground in 1895, a stadium that would be their home for the next 102 years, they had to evict gypsies off the site.It’s believed that one of the gypsies placed a curse on the club, and it’s also believed that the curse specified that Derby would never win the FA Cup. The Rams reached three FA Cup finals in the next eight years, losing all three, including a 6-0 loss to Bury in 1903. Derby were also relegated to the Second Division in 1907 for the first time in their history, but gained promotion back to the top league four years later. In 1946, Derby County did win the FA Cup. Jackie Stamps is rumoured to have paid a gypsy to have the curse lifted before the day of the final. Stamps scored twice in the final as the Rams won 4-1.
  • On the 8th September 1888, the first ever football league matches were played. Derby County were away to Bolton Wanderers for their first ever league game, and came away 6-3 winners. No league table was ever actually published after the first ever league fixtures, but based on modern day calculations, Derby County would’ve topped the table due to their goal difference and goals scored.
  • In 1975, Derby County met European giants Real Madrid in the Second Round of the European Cup. The Rams ran out 4-1 winners against the Spaniards, with David Nish scoring to add to Charlie George’s hat-trick.

We will be without Baker, Williams, James, King and Tanner today, given the size of the squad that pretty much means the squad for today is determined simply by who is available and who NP has decided isn’t ‘on the bus’. Derby Striker Sam Baldock (hamstring) and defender Lee Buchanan (knee) are both sidelined.

Sharing this about parking for today:

Some colleagues and I will be cycling from London to Paris to raise money for the Grand Appeal in aid of Bristol Children's Hospital next year. Together, we're trying to raise £20,000 for the charity.

As part of our fundraising effort today we will be opening our staff car park on Cumberland Road for City fans, just a 15 minute walk from Ashton Gate.

There are 50 spaces available!

We are asking for £10 donation per car for the charity. Payment can be cash or contactless.

The car park will be open strictly between 12:30 - 19:00.

Any questions contact - 07411831381

Find out more and donate here if you'd like:

https://london-to-paris.justgiving-sites.com/team/grand-appeal-london-to-paris-2022

HOW TO FIND US:

122 Cumberland Road, BS1 6UN

MAP: 

https://imgur.com/YupJnQV

Map to Ashton Gate:

https://imgur.com/a/p1c97hn

Street View:

https://imgur.com/a/JIYk24N

Think this will be a tight game wit( someone winning 1-0 just hope it’s us, COYR.

 

 

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I think I want us to beat these more than I would if we were playing Notts. Nah, not quite but they’re not far behind. If it wasn’t for the points deduction, we’d only be a point behind them so I reckon they’re beatable but I suppose it’ll be a draw. Hope our old boys don’t spoil the day

Brizzle fans don't appear to be looking forward to this. They are pretty despondent with how the team are playing and seem to be losing faith in Pearson. I think therefore the game is there for the taking IF we attack them from the off and manage to get our noses in front. My proviso is whether morale has taken another knock this week and whether Rooney and Co can get them on the front foot and believing again. If they can, I fancy us to to get the 3 points, but it's a place where we've come a cropper in the past so I'm not making a formal prediction. 

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1 minute ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Feels like this whole "Derby are a good side" thing is a bit of a myth.

Without the points deduction they'd still be below us in the table. Underlying stats show them to be performing at the standard of a side in a relegation battle too.

Wouldn't go as far as to say I'm confident (as obviously we're not great either!), but no reason why we should expect to lose. 

It's two similarish squads. Both with too many old players and too many youngsters. Both struggling, and Both kind of shot/goal shy.

Could well be a game of crap shots, misplaced passing, and long throws, culminating in a stupid penalty for one of the teams deciding the thing.

Doubt this game will be first on Quest whatever the result.

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3 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

Feels like this whole "Derby are a good side" thing is a bit of a myth.

Without the points deduction they'd still be below us in the table. Underlying stats show them to be performing at the standard of a side in a relegation battle too.

I don't think anyone is claiming they are world beaters, but they are not the hopeless whipping boys that they were expected to be. 

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I know there's a thread discussing their off pitch plight, but this seems relevant to the match thread.

If they do get liquidated later in the season then would all the results of games against them be scrubbed? Could today's result ultimately be meaningless? Is there a precedent for a club being liquidated mid-season?

Liquidation is a realistic end point for them right now.

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