DT The Optimist Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) Yes. Announced that attendance 18k and something. Yes, I know they count season tickets holders who do not show, but honestly how many bums on seat in todays match. I thought the concourses were pretty empty, the South stand certainly emptier than normal. Great gaps around me in the Dolman. So quiet I wondered over to the Lansdown second half as that was also no where near line it normally is. Took a seat not far from dug out. Loads room. Bums on seats today. 12k perhaps. Covid impact ? Wish they would tell us how many actually come through the turnstiles today Edited December 18, 2021 by DT The Optimist 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clevedon Red Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Loads of empty seats all round the ground. No more than 13k in the ground I reckon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted December 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 3 minutes ago, Clevedon Red said: Loads of empty seats all round the ground. No more than 13k in the ground I reckon. Agree with you. Why oh why do we have this nonsense of stating an attendance which includes no shows. If that is the case. Perhaps the 12000 season tickets holders did show and there were no pay on the day? Wonder if that is the same with all clubs doing this. Cannot see what’s gained by doing this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sglosbcfc Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Looking at other forums Covid had a huge impact across the country. Many fans reporting 'gates' of about 60% of tickets actually sold. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xerox6060 Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 What an embarrassing announcement, why say that when there was obviously only 10 12k there... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, xerox6060 said: What an embarrassing announcement, why say that when there was obviously only 10 12k there... Because those people have paid to attend. Personally I doubt it was even 10k actually there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Out of his pie crust Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 I counted 12349 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 I wonder how clubs would fair if there was a genuine fire drill as you would think knowing how many were in the stadium would be critical 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 33 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said: Agree with you. Why oh why do we have this nonsense of stating an attendance which includes no shows. If that is the case. Perhaps the 12000 season tickets holders did show and there were no pay on the day? Wonder if that is the same with all clubs doing this. Cannot see what’s gained by doing this Fairly sure all clubs do it now, think it's to do with tax purposes as in they have to announce how many tickets have been sold. I have seen actual attendance figures at AG and I'm sure in normal circumstances it's about 1500 less than ticket sales on average, today wasn't normal circumstances to be fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 6 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said: I wonder how clubs would fair if there was a genuine fire drill as you would think knowing how many were in the stadium would be critical There are multiple routes to final evacuation points and with many of them external there aren't short term, critical evacuation times required. In which case the FRA dictates there's little risk in knowing who is where? In the stands Fire Marshalls will move top to bottom to establish nobody is in occupation but other than than how many or who is irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, BTRFTG said: There are multiple routes to final evacuation points and with many of them external there aren't short term, critical evacuation times required. In which case the FRA dictates there's little risk in knowing who is where? In the stands Fire Marshalls will move top to bottom to establish nobody is in occupation but other than than how many or who is irrelevant. Thanks for the insight as you hope that clubs have everyting covered but very rarely hear about what procedures are in place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 45 minutes ago, DT The Optimist said: Agree with you. Why oh why do we have this nonsense of stating an attendance which includes no shows. If that is the case. Perhaps the 12000 season tickets holders did show and there were no pay on the day? Wonder if that is the same with all clubs doing this. Cannot see what’s gained by doing this Yes and it comes up every season. This is a EFL edict and whilst I disagree with it, it certainly makes sense from a marketing angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said: Thanks for the insight as you hope that clubs have everyting covered but very rarely hear about what procedures are in place. It's a fairly standard strategy for large buildings with unknown or irregular footfall. I used to be responsible for dozens of buildings, many highly secure, but you still adopt a similar protocol given, though they shouldn't, punters will tailgate and do things they should not. Edited December 18, 2021 by BTRFTG 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snufflelufagus Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 26 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said: I wonder how clubs would fair if there was a genuine fire drill as you would think knowing how many were in the stadium would be critical It's not like school where there take an attendance register is it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davefevs Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 What was the tannoy announced attendance today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weepywall Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Just now, Snufflelufagus said: It's not like school where there take an attendance register is it Think they do at the Memorial and then double it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 minutes ago, Davefevs said: What was the tannoy announced attendance today? 18k + Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Geoff Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 1 hour ago, DT The Optimist said: Yes. Announced that attendance 18k and something. Yes, I know they count season tickets holders who do not show, but honestly how many bums on seat in todays match. I thought the concourses were pretty empty, the South stand certainly emptier than normal. Great gaps around me in the Dolman. So quiet I wondered over to the Lansdown second half as that was also no where near line it normally is. Took a seat not far from dug out. Loads room. Bums on seats today. 12k perhaps. Covid impact ? Wish they would tell us how many actually come through the turnstiles today I did the same although a bit further along level with the 18 yard line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy1968 Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 11 minutes ago, weepywall said: Fairly sure all clubs do it now, think it's to do with tax purposes as in they have to announce how many tickets have been sold. I have seen actual attendance figures at AG and I'm sure in normal circumstances it's about 1500 less than ticket sales on average, today wasn't normal circumstances to be fair. The Revenue you report is always going to be on sales, the taxman doesn't give two hoots about how many people turn up and whether you report that as your attendance to the media rather than the sales figure. What sounds best to you - 23 games pitch-side advertising with 14k or 20k eyeballs on. Makes marketing sense and is per EFL requirements. Probably 10+ years since we've been able to reply on the attendance figure for actual attendees. For authenticity it might be more useful if they referred to figures as 'tickets sold'. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Balls Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 There were huge gaps across all of the stands today. At most 12k but more likely 10k actually in the ground. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 If we have around 14k season ticket holders, with around 500 away fans, that means, are you seriously telling me that over 3.5k paid on the day!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedLionLad Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 45 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said: I wonder how clubs would fair if there was a genuine fire drill as you would think knowing how many were in the stadium would be critical If there was a fire over at the tented village the firemen would outnumber the crowd 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 87 Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Harry said: If we have around 14k season ticket holders, with around 500 away fans, that means, are you seriously telling me that over 3.5k paid on the day!!! No - official attendance is different to actual attendance Edited December 18, 2021 by Red Army 87 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DT The Optimist Posted December 18, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Todays really low turn out can most likely be attributed to concerns for Covid infections and not wanting to put Xmas plans at risk ? Who knows, certainly not last minute shoppers staying away. My other half works in retail, very quiet. reported quiet at the Mall and Cabot. move onto the Xmas fixtures. Traditionally big gates as people get out. We have QPR at home between Boxing Day and New Year. Depending on what happens hopefully bigger decent gates. Getting in was a breeze showing your covid status. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Chappers Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 54 minutes ago, Out of his pie crust said: I counted 12349 I only counted 12,340, must have been a few gone for a wee when I counted 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaun Taylor Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 27 minutes ago, Snufflelufagus said: It's not like school where there take an attendance register is it No but if there was a fire traceability becomes more of an issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A Horse With No Name Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 57 minutes ago, Shaun Taylor said: I wonder how clubs would fair if there was a genuine fire drill as you would think knowing how many were in the stadium would be critical Obviously they do know. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 29 minutes ago, Snufflelufagus said: It's not like school where there take an attendance register is it They do at Worthing in Isthmian Premier take an accurate account in derby games to ensure numbers are within those legally allowed. Not rocket science just another aspect of modern league football that they CHOOSE to give inflated numbers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BTRFTG Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 Just now, Ivorguy said: They do at Worthing in Isthmian Premier take an accurate account in derby games to ensure numbers are within those legally allowed. Not rocket science just another aspect of modern league football that they CHOOSE to give inflated numbers Like all clubs City do that, not we'd ever get near the licenced approvals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy082005 Posted December 18, 2021 Report Share Posted December 18, 2021 2 hours ago, DT The Optimist said: Yes. Announced that attendance 18k and something. Yes, I know they count season tickets holders who do not show, but honestly how many bums on seat in todays match. I thought the concourses were pretty empty, the South stand certainly emptier than normal. Great gaps around me in the Dolman. So quiet I wondered over to the Lansdown second half as that was also no where near line it normally is. Took a seat not far from dug out. Loads room. Bums on seats today. 12k perhaps. Covid impact ? Wish they would tell us how many actually come through the turnstiles today Bought a season ticket this year….been about 4 times absolutely no interest in watching that squad of players anymore. It really is one of the worst ‘teams’ I’ve seen in my 26 years of having a season ticket holder Covid will be a tiny part. 90% of the missing supporters is because we have a squad of wasters, being managed by a manager who is clearly passed his sell by date Everything about the club and match day experience these days is dire 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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