bearded_red Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 6 minutes ago, jambodinho said: Remember playing Watford at home who were blowing everyone away under Zola at the time. McInnes parked the bus (much to the disgust of most of the old codgers in the Dolman around me) and Watford didn’t know what to do. We won 2-0. That’s probably the only time I’ve seen a city manager with a far inferior side to our opponent, tactically outdo his opposite number. You wouldn’t have wanted to watch it every week but it certainly stopped Watford from ripping us a new one. I thought McInnes had something about him after that and was excited about what he could do if he could have time to get rid of the overpaid deadwood. Bugs me when our fans say he was useless. The club and squad was such a mess, he was on a hiding to nothing. O’Driscoll was the manager for that game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, jambodinho said: Remember playing Watford at home who were blowing everyone away under Zola at the time. McInnes parked the bus (much to the disgust of most of the old codgers in the Dolman around me) and Watford didn’t know what to do. We won 2-0. That’s probably the only time I’ve seen a city manager with a far inferior side to our opponent, tactically outdo his opposite number. You wouldn’t have wanted to watch it every week but it certainly stopped Watford from ripping us a new one. I thought McInnes had something about him after that and was excited about what he could do if he could have time to get rid of the overpaid deadwood. Bugs me when our fans say he was useless. The club and squad was such a mess, he was on a hiding to nothing. That was the very early part of SODs reign in charge. We played very basic football that night, but won. We actually had a good home record under SOD that season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jambodinho Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, bearded_red said: O’Driscoll was the manager for that game. Just now, 2015 said: That was the very early part of SODs reign in charge. We played very basic football that night, but won. We actually had a good home record under SOD that season. Ha. The years of underachieving all blurred into one big haze. Ah well, fair play to SO’D then in that case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon bristol Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 5 hours ago, SecretSam said: A familiar story. We were a bloody mess back then, I think people who criticise him and SOD forget what a state we were in. We're still getting over that mess. You'd think we'd learn... You would think we would learn, but 20 years or so later and we are still in that situation,, how can that be? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Grim Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 8 minutes ago, Simon bristol said: You would think we would learn, but 20 years or so later and we are still in that situation,, how can that be? Because SL has no idea how to run a football club. It is pretty simple really. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbored Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 4 hours ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said: As I frequently point out, probably tediously, Wilson was a failure. Four years and ultimately achieved almost nothing except a destructive player culture which took years to dismantle. I would have loved another season of front foot attacking football under DW - he produced the best football at AG for years - and look who replaced him - Mr Dull…….…….. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silvio Dante Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 3 minutes ago, Robbored said: I would have loved another season of front foot attacking football under DW - he produced the best football at AG for years - and look who replaced him - Mr Dull…….…….. Two things: - The front foot attacking football had gone by Wilson’s last season. He saw how Wigan had ground out games the prior year and reverted to that, meaning we scored 58 goals in 46 games, against 79 goals the season before - Wilson was replaced by Tinnion. I believe, in your ongoing grudge, you are trying to refer to GJ as “Mr Dull” Other than that, spot on as ever… 2 10 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Nogbad the Bad said: Looks like Tyrone Barnett and Mark Little were the main culprits and Fontaine fortunate not to be a 3rd bad injury from another dreadful challenge. Excerpts from the match report: Sam Baldock's second-half brace proved enough in a game short of chances but high on controversy, with Peterborough's Mark Little and Tyrone Barnett both fortunate to escape red cards. Cole Skuse and Greg Cunningham were stretchered off either side of the interval before Lee Tomlin's penalty in the second of eight added minutes ensured a dramatic finale. Half-time saw Skuse stretchered down the tunnel with an ankle injury, as McInnes responded by introducing Adomah to open up the game. Baldock broke the deadlock on 56 minutes thanks in part to a calamitous moment from Peterborough right-back Mark Little, who attempted a back pass from just inside his own half without noticing City's number seven lurking. Little was visibly distraught, and Liam Fontaine soon became victim to his frustration as the man on the receiving end of a rash lunge near City's left touchline - the Posh defender fortunate to escape with no more than the yellow card branded in his direction. If Peterborough were previously frustrated, by now they were apoplectic. With refereeing decisions not to the home fans' liking, Tyrone Barnett took matters into his own hands with another ugly tackle again resulting in a yellow card. It looked bad on first viewing, and with Greg Cunningham grounded for five minutes after the challenge before being stretchered off, McInnes must have been wondering how his side were still facing 11 men. That entire report only mentions City players past and present. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PHILINFRANCE Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 5 minutes ago, The Bard said: That entire report only mentions City players past and present. Well spotted. When I first read that Tomlin scored a penalty, I had to check that we hadn’t scored three goals, but had forgotten about Tyrone Barnett, who came here on loan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 45 minutes ago, Tafkarmlf said: Just a reminder about why Del was sacked https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/21001780 There was so much wrong with the club, but cherry picking the good and glossing over the very horrendous doesn't help. Ps the Leicester game had so much cross over too https://www.11v11.com/matches/bristol-city-v-leicester-city-12-january-2013-300184/ I'm glad someone else remembers how dire that spell was. One interview where he talks about how he liked City but the evil board stymied him and suddenly there is a mass donning of the old rose-tinted lenses. I had high hopes for McInnes, but his tenure illustrates the gap between English and Scottish football in the 21st Century. Players who looked decent north of the border proved unworthy of the task facing them here. Due to the Caledonian nature of much of this recruitment, I'm not sure all the blame can be offloaded onto Mark Ashton. Richard Foster, Stephen Pearson, Stephen McManus, Sean Davis, Mark Wilson, Brendan Moloney, Brian Howard, Matthew Briggs, Neil Danns, Jody 'party organiser' Morris, Matthew Bates. Not names to conjure with in 2012. Yes, he inherited a mess, but virtually every incoming manager does. Most get the job because the bloke or blokes before them have failed. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Offside said: McInnes had a tough job at City, with the club being in a mess, but he signed some truly awful players too - the likes of Foster, Wilson and Bates. That relegation season started well, as has been mentioned in other posts, but by the time of that Leicester game (was it a 4-0 defeat? It was horrendous, anyway) it felt like Del’s time was up and the crowd had started to turn against him. You're right. But ask yourself why he had to resort to signing such players. It was because the club's infrastructure was a joke. He had little to no meaningful support around him. I'm pretty sure Foster, Wilson and Bates weren't his, or anyone's, idea of the best defenders out there. The 3 suits in charge at that time were Lansdown, Ashton and Sexstone - a catastrophic combination of ego and incompetence. With no meaningful recruitment structure in place, no-one with any football knowledge or expertise on the board, or even in the building, just penpushers and bullshitters, what chance did McInnes have? Sadly, precious little. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichaelRobartes Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, jambodinho said: Ha. The years of underachieving all blurred into one big haze. Ah well, fair play to SO’D then in that case. Was that the Boxing Day match that got rearranged after torrential rain? The only home postponement I can recall in 25 years. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 19 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: You're right. But ask yourself why he had to resort to signing such players. It was because the club's infrastructure was a joke. He had little to no meaningful support around him. I'm pretty sure Foster, Wilson and Bates weren't his, or anyone's, idea of the best defenders out there. The 3 suits in charge at that time were Lansdown, Ashton and Sexstone - a catastrophic combination of ego and incompetence. With no meaningful recruitment structure in place, no-one with any football knowledge or expertise on the board, or even in the building, just penpushers and bullshitters, what chance did McInnes have? Sadly, precious little. Sexstone stepped down during the McInnes managership and Mark Ashton, although he worked with the club (and others), he wasn't an employee at this stage, so therefore cannot be said to be "in charge". I'm afraid to say many of the transfers were McInnes's idea; players he was familiar with. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danwal Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 Did McInnes sign Kilkenny?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merrick's Marvels Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 (edited) 32 minutes ago, Red-Robbo said: Sexstone stepped down during the McInnes managership and Mark Ashton, although he worked with the club (and others), he wasn't an employee at this stage, so therefore cannot be said to be "in charge". I'm afraid to say many of the transfers were McInnes's idea; players he was familiar with. OK semantics aside, I'm not sure he was helped whatsoever by how the club was set-up and run at the time though Edited May 17, 2022 by Merrick's Marvels Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, Merrick's Marvels said: Semantics aside, McInnes was manager at a time when the likes of Ashton and Sexstone were also involved. At a time when the club sacked it's only professional scout and didn't replace him (because they wanted to "try something different" to quote Jonboy) and had no other fit for purpose recruitment structure in place at all. No wonder the manager resorted to signing players he was "familiar with". What else was he supposed to do? So I'm sticking with the club set-up was a joke and McInnes had no chance. But the set up was different when SOD came in - and still didn't achieve results. The scouting was poor, but that lead McInnes to suggest the likes of Foster, Wilson and McManus: who had all played at prominent clubs in the SPL. And you cannot blame "the suits" for the poor coaching or poor decisions, like trying to play Foster in midfield. "Del" has to hold his hands up there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glynriley Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Red-Robbo said: I'm glad someone else remembers how dire that spell was. One interview where he talks about how he liked City but the evil board stymied him and suddenly there is a mass donning of the old rose-tinted lenses. I had high hopes for McInnes, but his tenure illustrates the gap between English and Scottish football in the 21st Century. Players who looked decent north of the border proved unworthy of the task facing them here. Due to the Caledonian nature of much of this recruitment, I'm not sure all the blame can be offloaded onto Mark Ashton. Richard Foster, Stephen Pearson, Stephen McManus, Sean Davis, Mark Wilson, Brendan Moloney, Brian Howard, Matthew Briggs, Neil Danns, Jody 'party organiser' Morris, Matthew Bates. Not names to conjure with in 2012. Yes, he inherited a mess, but virtually every incoming manager does. Most get the job because the bloke or blokes before them have failed. Both SOD signings. I liked Del, but he did sign some crap. Baldock, Heaton and Cunningham probably the exceptions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malvern Red Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 7 hours ago, glynriley said: I wonder if SL listens to DMc and NP interviews, will he have a bit of Whitesnake running through his head… Here I go again on my own Goin' down the only road I've ever known ? He considered it for a second then played Dylan’s Don’t Think Twice It’s Alright Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 2 minutes ago, glynriley said: Both SOD signings. Ah yes. Didn't see the late January dates. Another reason to doubt those who still worship at the altar of SOD.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 46 minutes ago, Danwal said: Did McInnes sign Kilkenny?? Millen signed Kilkenny Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wanderingred Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 This thread is so depressing. That period 2011-2014 was soul destroying, probably the worst in our recent history. Millen, McInnes, SOD.. All out of their depth. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Major Isewater Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 1 hour ago, Danwal said: Did McInnes sign Kilkenny?? Good point. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 4 hours ago, Offside said: McInnes had a tough job at City, with the club being in a mess, but he signed some truly awful players too - the likes of Foster, Wilson and Bates. That relegation season started well, as has been mentioned in other posts, but by the time of that Leicester game (was it a 4-0 defeat? It was horrendous, anyway) it felt like Del’s time was up and the crowd had started to turn against him. Absolutely this, McInnes certainly came to us at a poor time, “the 3 managers in 4 years” though is a bit of poetic licence, the first of those 3 (GJ) was in charge for nearly 5 years, the latter (Millen) got 15 months, so only Coppell’s bizarre 2 game reign in the middle skews this. He also signed a lot of absolute shite from Scotland, Richard Foster, Mark Wilson, Jody Morris & inexplicably added both Sam Baldock & Steven Davies when we already had Stead & Pitman on our books but had no decent central defenders. He wasn’t helped by what was going on but was equally culpable & hasn’t exactly set the world on fire since leaving us. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lanterne Rouge Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 5 hours ago, Red-Robbo said: I'm glad someone else remembers how dire that spell was. One interview where he talks about how he liked City but the evil board stymied him and suddenly there is a mass donning of the old rose-tinted lenses. I had high hopes for McInnes, but his tenure illustrates the gap between English and Scottish football in the 21st Century. Players who looked decent north of the border proved unworthy of the task facing them here. Due to the Caledonian nature of much of this recruitment, I'm not sure all the blame can be offloaded onto Mark Ashton. Richard Foster, Stephen Pearson, Stephen McManus, Sean Davis, Mark Wilson, Brendan Moloney, Brian Howard, Matthew Briggs, Neil Danns, Jody 'party organiser' Morris, Matthew Bates. Not names to conjure with in 2012. Yes, he inherited a mess, but virtually every incoming manager does. Most get the job because the bloke or blokes before them have failed. Harsh on Neil Danns, he was good for us and it`s a shame we couldn`t have kept him. The rest were dross though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 2 hours ago, Lanterne Rouge said: Harsh on Neil Danns, he was good for us and it`s a shame we couldn`t have kept him. The rest were dross though. I sort of hesitated before adding his name to the role call of dross and in retrospect, I probably should have left him off it. 15 league clubs and 4 non-league clubs tells its own story though and there is something going on there. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ivorguy Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 I thought he was the real deal just as I now think Pearson is. Think Pearson the more experienced and tough character, however, who will be forthright with SL. The problem is that SL could revert to type and foul everything up once again. Believe in Nige! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocking Red Cyril Posted May 17, 2022 Report Share Posted May 17, 2022 12 hours ago, billywedlock said: All three seem to be working well together, on the same page, and with the same straight talking approach. Finally !!!! This is how we can build a better base for the club, I hope for years to come. Do we not need to add a recruitment director type role though ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron W Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 (edited) Everyone remembers things differently but I’m surprised how positively McInnes is remembered - and especially to the point of being one of our most talented managers. No doubt the club was a financial and logistical mess back then, he’s spot on, and he did have a difficult hand to work with. But look at the guys he brought in… Stephen Pearson, Richard Foster, not only limited footballers but not great for dressing room unity either. Add to that going 11 league games without a win, with a bad squad but not one bad enough for those results. And then dropping Tom Heaton because he’d run out of other ideas during that time, which ended up lowering the morale even further, and you start to think he’s got to take some responsibility along the line. We were a shambles of a club, but he has to take some responsibility for that. Edited May 18, 2022 by RonWalker 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atticus Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 17 hours ago, Offside said: McInnes had a tough job at City, with the club being in a mess, but he signed some truly awful players too - the likes of Foster, Wilson and Bates. That relegation season started well, as has been mentioned in other posts, but by the time of that Leicester game (was it a 4-0 defeat? It was horrendous, anyway) it felt like Del’s time was up and the crowd had started to turn against him. Exactly. The love in for Mcinnes because he said some nice things about City is a bit much. He signed some utter dross for us that were never going to be good enough. Just compounded the bloated squad, which imo didn't start to be corrected until SOD. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taz Posted May 18, 2022 Report Share Posted May 18, 2022 His hand was forced in some respect because of the finances (sounds familiar), but as others have pointed out he himself signed some absolute dross. If you were SL and were watching him sign the likes of Pearson, Bates, Foster, and Morris, why would you trust him with even more money? It's not as if these were cheap players that looked great and worked hard, and I'd be thinking "If I've given you a limited pot of £x and that's what you do with it, then there ain't a hope in hells chance that you're getting more!" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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