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That’ll do for me, as long as the arrogant b*stard gets the message, one way or the other!

I was discussing on here a while ago that although I was totally pissed off with how things are at the club, I didn’t want to risk losing my seat by not renewing. My mindset is now changing. It’s like when a relationship and trust has totally broken down …… would you still want to be with that person?? As Lansdown senior is the one pulling all the strings and has virtually made himself part of the club, I’m feeling like my relationship with the club is breaking down, in the same way as a relationship with a person can. I’ve got no urge to renew for next season as it stands and if nothing changes by renewal deadline day, that’ll be me out for next year. If Lansdown wants to totally destroy his expensive toy, I sure as hell don’t want to be supporting and witnessing that happening. If enough of us hit him in the pocket, let’s hope that brings him to his senses and in the best case scenario, he sells up and ***** off. I just can’t see a situation where I’ll ever trust him again.

Come on, you don’t really believe that, do you??? Sure, that’s what the fans want, but Lansdown has consistently shown that aiming for the Premier League is the last thing on his mind. That would involve far too much investment and he’d rather just chug along in the Championship and being a feeder club for the likes of Bournemouth to bring in the occasional transfer fees. I’m sure he’d want us performing better and probably flirting with the play off places, but I reckon he’d shit himself if it looked like there was a serious chance of us actually going up. I’ve completely lost trust in Lansdown as an owner who only wants the best for this club.

So true. Being patient and giving a manager time only works when you’ve got a good one to start with. A poor manager is unlikely to get better, regardless of how long you give them, so the skill is knowing when to stick or twist. Unfortunately under SL’s tenure, he’s consistantly demonstrated a habit of backing and sacking the wrong ones. It’s ironic that Coventry looked a basket case a few years back under SISU, but look at them now. It certainly makes you realise what a total mess Lansdown has turned us into.

The problem is, what you are talking about is miguided loyalty imho. I’ve been supporting this club for 60 years and have seen us with far worse squads of players in that time, but that isn’t our problem. What’s killing us is the absolute shitshow behind the scenes and I’ve never witnessed anything as bad at the club before. From the ridiculous sacking of NP and his team, the couldn’t give a **** anymore owner, totally incompetant Chairman, over promoted, arse kissing Technical Director and painfully out of his depth, robotic Head Coach and horrendous run of form and performance on the pitch, is it any wonder there’s ‘huge negativity’ on here?? As supporters, there’s a time to support the team and other times when the best action for the supporters is fire a massive rocket at the people behind the scenes who are responsible for dragging this club right down the crapper. Happy clapping really doesn’t help in our current position imho and just prolongs the agony and damage.

All I would say is, what have you seen in Manning so far that makes you think he’s got what it takes to turn things round next season? I’m getting increasingly alarmed at the possibilty of him still being here at the start of next season and the long-term damage he’s doing to this club the longer he’s here. He already seems to have undone much of the good work done by NP and his team. This appointment is looking like the biggest bollock dropped by SL during his ownership …. and there’s been a lot of those to choose from! I think it’s time for people to hold their hands up and admit they got this appointment horrifically wrong.

I really hope the broken clock scenario is at play here, and this is one of the very rare occasions that Roy DeAlien gets one right

Nah our Liam’s safe ….. we beat Southampton you know!!!

I’ve been thinking similar for a while. My seat is near the back of the SS, so would certainly come into the safe standing area and I would happily stand if it was introduced. It would be a bit of hassle to sort out, but maybe the club could survey the ST holders in the SS and offer seat moves/ exchanges within the stand to supporters to either move to, or from the standing/seated areas. This could be done prior to the normal season ticket renewal date. No change is without problems, but hopefully it could be done to please as many fans as possible. I just don’t think the club really care about safe standing and any potential improvement in atmosphere though, so I’ll be pleasantly surprised if they put any effort into this.

We’ve both made our points and it seems sensible to agree to differ. You could discuss this to death, but this is a football forum after all and I’m sure people would much rather be discussing football, rather than seeing us arguing the toss over the differences between buying a house 50 years ago and buying one now!

It’s all very well presenting as many figures and as much data as you like, but its relevance comes down to who’s compiled the figures and data and the message they are trying to convey. If you want to see how data can be misinterpreted, look no further than Liam Manning! As I clearly stated, it’s not just my own kids, but the large majority of their similar aged friends who also own their homes. That isn’t a handfull of people, but quite a large network. That isn’t just my opinion, it’s actual FACT and being “fortunate enough to own their own house” doesn’t enter into it and is a pretty presumptous comment on your part tbh. These people aren’t from privilaged backgrounds either, so are very reflective of their generation and prove it can be done.

Yes, the house prices are incredibly high now, but historically, the prices have always been driven by market forces. If the demand is high, so are the prices, but if demand drops off due to the prices being too high, the house prices are then reduced to the point where demand is stimulated again. Maybe I’m some kind of outlier and my personal experiences are different than most, but I just don’t buy the narrative that the old ‘uns have it easy, as was mentioned by someone earlier in the thread. Both our kids bought houses by their late 20’s and the vast majority of their circle of friends are also home owners. What I’ve also noticed is, whilst In my situation we had to make do with clapped out second hand stuff to try and furnish our house when we started out, nowadays there are plenty of young ones who seem to think that kind of stuff has to be new from the start, which we would have found impossible. Home ownership was and is massively tough, whatever period you bought in and there are a huge number of factors involved, both historically and in the present day. The bottom line is though, 1st time house prices wouldn’t be at such a high level now, if people weren’t still buying, though I guess a proportion of those buyers could be the buy-to-let’s, which could be keeping the market artificially high.

At the first look at those figures, it does look like those houses on the ‘90s where cheap, but that’s only half the picture isn’t it? Interest rates have been low for a long time now, but even in the ‘90s were still pretty high. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if that £50,000 house would have really cost nearer £150,000 when you factor in the high interest rate repaid on the mortgage. Probably not much different to now in real terms. I certainly sympathise with the young ones now, but in truth, we’ve already been there ourselves. House buying has always been really painful and the biggest financial committment most of us will ever have in their lives. I think it’s safe to say it’s really tough for anyone to do, regardless of when it was tbh.

Yep, fair comment there DT and probably more like 45 years NI.

So in summary, I think we are in an age where people like to rewrite history and if enough young people convince themselves that current pensioners had it so easy then it must be true, when that was actually far from the truth in most cases Payback time will come when they themselves reach pension age and the next generation of young ‘uns are telling them that THEY had it so easy!!!

You’re doing a lot of generalisation in labelling pensioners as ‘one of the wealthiest groups in society’ and also not sure where their ‘pretty easy ride’ has come from either. Sure there are some who are well off, as there are people in every area of society, but there are plenty of pensioners who struggle to make ends meet, especially as many can have failing health issues to add to their problems too. Don’t forget most pensioners have had around 50 years paying taxes and National Insurance, so aren’t exactly getting something for nothing.

Who needs a banner? There could be a fair few voting with their feet for next season, so it’ll be interesting to see how smug the BS lot and their fanboys on here are then.

Looks we’re of the same mind here and need to see how this TV deal pans out. That said, I think I’m just one more **** up by the people at the top to finally push me over the edge. Although the club and the owner are separate things, lately it feels like the lines between the two have blurred to the extent they’ve now become one entity, with us fans very much on the outside, with our views counting for naff all. It really doesn’t feel like my club any more.

….. so I had a look and it appears all Championship clubs are getting a 50% increase in TV revenue with this new deal. The club then have the cheek to slam a 10% increase on ticket prices for fans, with no consideration for the hassle we’ll have in trying to fit round all the re-arranged kick off times. Add that to the NP fiasco, the appalling football we’re stuck with and then we get Tinnion’s face stuck on the new Season Ticket prices announcement, just to top it off. Talk about sticking two fingers up to the fanbase.

To be honest, the only thing keeping me going is a really good SS seat, which I’ve had since it opened. I’ve also got a lot of really decent ST holders around me, which it would be a shame to lose. As they aren’t letting people get new ST’s in the SS, if I don’t keep that current ST going, that’ll probably be me done for good. I’m not that far off 70 and if I get out of the football habit now, I think it’s very unlikely I’ll be coming back. I’ll say it now, I’m starting to really hate Lansdown with a passion.

If I actually give in and renew next season, you certainly won’t have me blocking the bar. My protest will be to make sure I don’t give a single extra penny to to those *******! If anyone says that’ll hurt the club, my answer will be bollux to em, as they obviously couldn’t care less about us.

You reckon?? They’re getting extra TV revenue from the new deal ….. and us fans are getting pissed around with ko times and days all over the shop to accomodate the televised games, to say nothing of the shit football on offer. Sounds anything but reasonable to me tbh.

…… well, if our bean counters have that much power over critical appointments within the operation and aren’t over-ruled by their boss SL, then that tells you all you need to know about his ability to run a successful football club!

He used to be popular though, didn’t he. That’s only changed because he’s now been promoted well beyond his apparent skill level and to a position where he could do serious damage to this club. Coming out with a string of lies and bullshit isn’t going go do much for his popularity either.

I’d also add to that, it’s clear to see how shite and tinpot the Sags are and they haven’t got a pot to piss in most of the time. In spite of all that, even though Lansdown has pissed away tens of £millions in his 20 years of ownership, for most of that period, the Sags have only been one division below us. Proves how ineffective SL has actually been in pushing us to success on the the field, regardless of how much money he’s thrown at it.