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The team morale, work ethic, fitness levels and various other factors were very different. Far too nuanced to be directly comparing both records.

JJ was certainly the only successful one we had pinched off us for decades. Unbelievably I think Pulis was also nicked, rather than sacked, though City fans were so relieved to see the back of him, it felt like a massive positive. I completely agree with you, it’s a really horrific indictment of our bleedin awful choices of managers and head coaches over many years. It’s happened way too often to be just bad luck and to me, points to the underlying problem at this club and it won’t be cured by just getting rid of Manning.

A recurrent theme at City unfortunately. It amazes me sometimes that we all actually follow the same club. You just know that if we ever did get someone good enough for us to all get behind, they’ll be gone in a flash, as they get head-hunted by by a bigger club!!!

Could be right there, but that’s one theory that sure as hell won’t get put to the test

Yes, totally agree in the divided opinion. Wouldn’t it be great if we actually found something we generally agreed on someday? Never gonna happen though!

I’m sensing some very worrying echo’s of LJ with the discussions we’re having regarding LM. There’s the ‘give him time’ side and the ‘he’s not showing much that makes us think he’ll improve’ on the other side and I’m in the latter category Do we give him hard earned funds for new players in the summer, when he really doesn’t look like the person we hoped we were getting and could well be gone before Christmas, even if he made it through the summer. Do we learn by our previous mistske of keeping LJ for far too long, hoping he would eventually come good, but it never happened. We’ll never get those wasted years back. My only question would be, do we get shot sooner, or give him until the end of the season? I’m massively underwhelmed with him so far, on so many counts.

That’s the depressing thing, just pushing out LM is unlikely to make much, if any difference on its own. They’ll just go appoint another completely unsuitable person. For me, any lingering hope that SL had it in him to run a successful football club has gone after this latest debacle. The best news I can hear is there’s someone in serious talks to buy this club (not invest, but buy out completely). That’s the only way I can see us potentially moving forward, as any trust I had in Lansdown has completely gone. He’s got us in a massive rut and is clearly unwilling, or incapable of getting us out of it. He’s had more than enough time with his toy and proved he doesn’t have a clue what to do with it. We need a new and clear vision at the top and it really can’t come quick enough. I wouldn’t trust SL, the Crayola Kid and Tecknic Sid to run a piss up in a brewery, let alone our club.

Was thinking exactly the same. A perfect wake up to anyone who still manages to consider NP as a failure.

How about they make him our our International Chairman? That would make him feel even more important and mean he can **** off back to Bermuda!

Well, the players were good enough to be in a very comfortable position when Manning arrived! Who else do we blame, other than the plonkers who appointed him?

I agree re the Lansdowns, but I can see plenty of harm in giving LM next season. We weren’t exactly pulling up trees at the point he came in, but without the points already on the board from NP’s time, we’d be be right in the shit with what he’s added since. That points buffer from the start of the season is all that’s currently keeping us out of the relegation spots. We can’t risk our current form continuing into next season imho.

Isn’t that what the Premier League want though? Virtually a closed shop, with just the illusion of free movement between the top two divisions. The parachute payments will ensure that if one of the bigger clubs had an absolute mare of a season and dropped through the trap door to the Championship, they’d be virtually nailed-on to go straight back up the next season.

…… and judging by our current form, he appears to be moving us down towards his natural level.

Brilliant post It really felt like we’d weathered the storm, turned the corner and with some reasonable backing for the manager, there were better times ahead. We also seemed to have moved away from the amateurish ways of the past, with proven, vastly experienced and very able people in the key areas we needed. What could possibly go wrong? Step forward JL and BT, to prove how quickly and easily you can totally cock things up if you’re stupid and arrogant enough. All that hope was snatched away with that crazy sacking of NP and his team and now we’ve only got these borefests to look forward to and little or no hope of improvement. Even if Manning gets sacked, nothing will improve unless those other mugs running this club go with him.

It defies any logic. You could be forgiven for thinking they’re deliberately setting us up to fail. That’s a really special level of incompetance.

Pity Hargreaves wasn’t a football fan with a liking for City then. Some of Lansdown’s footballing decisions are ******* inept, and getting worse, rather than better. I’m getting to the point where any change of ownership is better than what we’ve currently got.

The longer we experience the many failures of SL’s ownership of this club, the more I’m convinced that Hargreaves is the real brains of the Hargreaves Lansdown empire. If that company was run in the same way City are, they’d have been totally ****** years ago.

He may have just put a block on it, rather than cancel it. In which case, it may be far less hassle and a lot quicker to collect it, rather than have a delay while a new one is issued and posted to him.

….. it is and speaks volumes about the Lansdowns levels of cluelessness.

Must be RR, I can’t think of any other logical explanation!!!

This latest balls up is the final nail for me and convinced me that not only is SL incapable of making the correct decisions to take our club forward, but he does actually seem pretty good at scuppering genuine progress, on the rare occasions when we see some green shoots appearing. He’s also proving that even after 20+ years, he’s learned absolutely nothing from his previous mistakes and continues making new ones. The only reason I’m probably renewing is I don’t want to lose the excellent seat I’ve had in the SS since it opened. It certainly isn’t due to any trust or even liking of Lansdown and any hope things will significantly improve under him. I’m already bracing myself for another season of being absolutely bored shitless. Why do we do this to ourselves??

Sort of like: Question - how do you make a sow’s ear out of a silk purse? Answer - Give it to Jon Lansdown and Brian Tinnion to look after!

My biggest worry is, considering our record against teams below us in the table lately, if we find ourselves with any 6 pointer games, we’ll lose them. Never thought we’d throw away such a comfortable position so easily. We’ll likely end up safe but ffs, why do we make it so hard for ourselves?

I’d put it more simply than that. Lansdown has made so many financial **** ups with this club that he’s clearly made them unsaleable at his current asking price. He needs to hold his hands up and accept he’s not going to get his asking price and adjust it downwards, before he runs this club right into the ground, as he’ll get bugger all for it then. He’ll know from his financial background that you win some and lose some, but his financial return on City will be ever decreasing the longer he’s in charge, so the quicker he offloads, the better it’ll be. It just just makes me angry even hearing the name Lansdown now, for what’s happening to this club.

Well I’m totally convinced the Lansdowns’ have!!!