CliftonCliff

Thanks, Dave. Using Chrome. Not unwatchable by any means, but intermittent freezing. Could be worse.

Anyone else getting freezing/buffering on the live stream, or is it just my grindingly slow broadband?

I've encountered so much positivity on this thread I've had to go and have a lie down. I'm not used to it.

Actually, now you mention it, I think I may have seen him take over during a game as an emergency keeper, following an injury. I have seen Brian Tinnion do the same. It’s the polar opposite of the situation we saw quite recently, when we started a game with two keepers on the bench. Different era.

Strange, isn't it, how some very talented players don't get the recognition they deserve, while fans rave about others who, for some reason, seem to catch the eye more? Newman was a hell of a good player and may have suffered a little in some ways because of his sheer versatility. There wasn't much he couldn't do. Centre back, full back, defensive midfield; even saw him play upfront in a crisis. He'd probably have done a more than adequate turn in goal if you'd asked him to. His career after leaving City speaks for itself. Norwich recognised his qualities and certainly knew what they we getting when they signed him. (Reminds me somewhat of the often-derided Dave Rennie, who went to Coventry and had a good spell in the PL after leaving us, though Newman was much the better all-round footballer.) Biff came into the senior side as a raw teenager and helped the club's recovery from near-extinction under the guidance of Terry Cooper. Had huge respect for him. Both of them, in fact. As to his player recruitment experience and expertise, it might be argued we could use a bit of that around here now, especially from a man who has the club in his blood. Top, top bloke.

I’d have backed Forest to win this comfortably, based on their recent form and what I saw of Cardiff last week, but they (Forest, that is) have been woeful. As somebody implied, perhaps a bit of complacency? Cooper has shown himself to be a pretty useful manager, but judging from this performance, talk of a top six finish looks optimistic, to put it mildly.

He is playing really well at the moment and making a mockery of some of the tripe that’s been written about him. His three recent goals have all been extremely well taken, but aside from the clinical finish yesterday, the thing that impressed me just as much was his movement. He deserves respect as a footballer and has been disproportionately criticised on here - but then, who hasn’t?

Blimey! Just listened to NP's comments. Didn't pull any punches, did he? That was about as damning as anything I've ever heard a City manager say publicly about a player. Sounded pretty terminal, too. Can't see any way back from that, unless the intention is to give him a king-sized boot up the backside, but I imagine that's already been done in private, and probably more than once. What is it with some of these young guys? There is real talent there and the possibility of a very rewarding career ahead of him, and he can't be arsed to get out of bed and put a shift in. Very disappointing, and a terrible waste, but we've seen it before in gifted but unmotivated and under-achieving players. David Noble and JET, to name two obvious examples of blokes who should have been PL regulars. Further back, Gavin Williams was arguably another. Can't fault the decision, though. You don't want to put the effort in, on yer bike. Sends the right message, but it's a loss, for TB as much as the club.

Very well spotted. Priceless; couldn’t make it up.

Mitrovic wouldn’t have had such an easy time of it if Baker had been on the pitch on Saturday.

Either give both or neither. Consistency-wise, it's awful reffing. And score when you have the opening. Not for the first time this season, we could have had it wrapped up by half time. Missed chances cost us, big time.

Exactly.

Lot of cobblers being talked, as usual. It's one thing to suggest, on the basis of the financial news, that we won't be signing anyone; it's quite another to suggest a fire sale. I'll buy the first proposition, but not the second.

HT L2 Barrow 2 - L1 MA’s Good Humans 0 Oops.

Thank you. Well done for posting this. The article deserves to be more widely read.

It's actually quite unlike me to make that sort of personal remark, so I will apologise for that and withdraw my comments. Sorry, I was obviously feeling a bit scratchy first thing this morning, but it should be apparent from the more reasoned responses why I found your post so irritating. The suggestion that, in effect, Vyner was standing off his man and allowing the opposition space because he could no longer be bothered is really quite out of order. It insults the man's professionalism, which is unfair and I can see no tangible evidence to support the allegation that he has an attitude problem. Nigel Pearson has been pretty forthright in stating that he has a few players on his hands who are not pulling their weight, and if he thought Vyner was one of them then I don't think he'd be anywhere near the squad, let alone the starting line-up. As a case in point, look at what's happened to Palmer. I am neither Zak's greatest fan nor his biggest critic, but he doesn't deserve that - hence my broadside. I will, however, remind myself to take a deep breath before posting in future...

Thoughts? OK, my thoughts are that you are either (a) pissed, (b) on the wind up, (c) irredeemably stupid, (d) all of the above. Complete bollocks.

Forensic psychology was not my area of expertise when I was working, so I have no first-hand knowledge of how parole boards reach their decisions, but I must admit that, even as a former mental health professional, I am sometimes baffled by the conclusions they come to. We have witnessed numerous tragedies where released murderers and sex offenders have gone on to re-offend. I can see that, in order to work in the field at all, you would need to have a belief that some people can reform, and I certainly don’t think you can, or should, just lock up every serious offender and throw away the key. The recent release of the convicted killer who performed heroics at a major terrorist attack in London is a case in point. Nevertheless, there does seem to be a reluctance to accept that some individuals are so disturbed and dangerous that they can never be safely released back into society.

Henderson does emerge from this looking like a pretty despicable character. I wonder if this conviction and sentence might not, in fact, be the end of it. He seems to have been found guilty of flagrant breaches of aviation regulations and sentenced accordingly, but the inquest into Sala’s tragic death doesn’t open until next year. If, say, a verdict of “unlawful killing “ were to be delivered, would that then render him liable to charges of a still more serious nature, in addition to the technical transgressions? Or indeed, open to a civil action by the player’s family? Any lawyers out there who can offer an insight?

for what it's worth, BBC website shows possession 62 - 38% in our favour.

Can't find a list of subs anywhere. Anyone know who's on the bench?

3 at the back?

Whilst they may be found guilty, the historic corruption surrounding these offences is so deep-rooted, extensive and complex that I suspect that, like the odious Warner and his ilk, they will have enough dirt on individuals whose evidence could potentially put them away to be able to keep themselves out of jail. Their reputations will never recover and they’ll go to their respective graves totally despised by decent, football-loving people the world over, but I’m afraid the Teflon twins will dodge the worst of the punishment their greed and dishonesty deserves. It’s the old story: rich and powerful people in positions of influence, including many politicians, get away with murder. Nothing would give me greater satisfaction than to see Qatar cancelled, but as others have said, it won’t happen. Too many fat cats with too much to lose. It stinks.

What a heartwarming and uplifting thing to read. In the context of an absolutely typical OTIB tsunami of negativity and sometimes downright nastiness in recent weeks, this is a breath of fresh air. Thank you for restoring some balance and perspective and, like everyone else who’s read your post, I couldn’t be more pleased for you and your lad that you had such an enjoyable and memorable day. I wish you more of the same to come in future. Good on you both (and the guys around you, too, for that matter).

I do feel that, age for age, Kelly looked the better, classier player at a comparable stage in his development, but nevertheless you do have a very valid point. I can recall LJ subbing Kelly very early on at least one occasion, in response to a sloppy and complacent performance, and then omitting him from the match day squad altogether, with the apparent intention of providing him with a sharp reality check. He, Kelly, didn’t look a Rolls Royce of a footballer every time he took to the field, which is easily forgotten. I can’t remember him going out on loan, though. It may be that my memory is at fault, but I think LK was kept closer to our own first team environment. Whether a young, developing player’s best interests are served by the kind of experience Towler is currently getting depends, I suppose, on the particular individual in question.