Red-Robbo

The jury will be asked if they've heard of Barton and if they had any opinions about him, before being selected. The original jury was discharged and a new one will be selected for trial in November. We have to bear in mind that not everyone is a football fan and it would be quite possible to select 12 people from a typical juror pool who've never heard of him.

Scared isn't the right word, but to be apprehensive of large crowds at a time when Bristol has 1% of its population carrying the virus is fair enough. Double-jabbing provides immunity for 90%-95%. You will not know if you're in the minority for whom it hasn't worked until you catch it.

TBH the Post is being rather hyper-cautious in not reporting remarks made in open court by the prosecutor in a case that is going to be heard before magistrates. I suppose the justification might be the Rovers' statement reported her words without context and therefore - unless the Post provided its own context - they might fail a "fair and accurate" test.

True. Maybe just encourage the wearing of them, as supermarkets now do. I'll be wearing one until I get to my seat. Being double-jabbed though, I think I'd put my life in more danger if I had one of their pasties.

A fair response. Personally, I'm undecided on Vaccine Passporting in stadiums. I think compulsory masks in concourses and when queueing for turnstyles is reasonable. I just don't know whether for a City type crowd, passporting is a lot of mither for little gain. There may be other wise precautions. Staggered entry and leaving times perhaps. Whatever they choose, I can't see restrictions lasting too long if things continue as they are going. Different story in nightclubs where you're packed in an indoors venue breathing heavily and having to shout to make yourself heard. Shouting in stadiums tends to be to the air, to express your displeasure!

You're miles out in your estimation. It's 2-2,500 under-50s in England, even using the government's shit "28-days" method of calculation, which will understate deaths in the younger cohort; https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/deaths?areaType=nation&areaName=England And even if most deaths are in over 50s, so what? Are we all on the metaphorical scrap heap after then?? Your rather blasé attitude also ignores Long Covid which can strike any age range and fitness level. Ask Steve Cotterell if he recommends getting that? It has been estimated to have affected 2 million Britons and it represents a massive challenge going forward to the NHS. No, a discussion can legitimately be held over whether Vaccine Passporting is worthwhile in football stadiums - or what alternative measures might be used - but belittling the impact and the continuing danger of the virus is not the way to do it.

The Pandremix problem - a very small number of serious side effects in 12-16-year-olds - were observable within weeks. They didn't suddenly come to light years after vaccination. The mechanism of how a sudden rise in immune response could trigger narcolepsy in a very tiny number of adolescents is now understood. Although Pandemrix was within product safety limits, it had gone through Phase III trials involving 6,000 volunteers, it was withdrawn for use in this age range as other vaccines that protected against H1N1 were available and these were used instead on this cohort. In total, around 17 cases of narcolepsy were linked to this particular vaccine out of 30 million doses administered. Most countries using the vaccine did not record any raised incidence rates of narcolepsy following their Avian Flu immunisation campaigns. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/30122647/ In the case of the various Covid vaccines, Phase III trials were conducted on several hundred thousand people 15 months ago and they've gone on to be administered to 2,000% more people than received the Avian Flu vaccines. Serious side effects reporting has been negligible given the vast number of doses administered. In every Covid vaccine approved for use in this country, SSE are well within normal medicinal guidelines. Because there is a multiplicity of choice available, as with the H1N1 jab, we were even able to switch AZ away from certain age groups from an overabundance of caution. Taking AZ if you're under 30 is still safer than getting on an aeroplane. However other Covid vaccines were even safer, so we are using them. So, to answer your patronising question: Yes, I do understand how vaccines work and yes, I already know about Pandemrix. However, it appears you still do not understand how vaccines work or understand statistical risk.

You don't really understand vaccines do you? They aren't implants, that stay inside you for years. All they are is a wake up call to your immune system. After a day or so, it's just your own bloodstream doing all the clever stuff about remembering a pathogen. It isn't the Manchurian Candidate - your immune system won't suddenly kill you 10 years after you've had an injection. And it isn't a case that "nobody knows this". People do know this, because the basic mechanism for ALL vaccines is the same. And we've had mass vaccination campaigns since the 1950s; campaigns that have eradicated a number of dangerous diseases from the West. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Look in a way, I share some of your doubts as to whether a Vaccine Passport should really be necessary at AG. I certainly can imagine the government and our club buggering up the implementation! HOWEVER, if it decides it is, it isn't "blackmail and coercion". Your life doesn't depend on watching City live. No one's does. AG is a private premise. It has always had rules that govern entrance: Some set by the FA or the government; some set by the club. If it's decided it's necessary to keep people safe at a time that our infection rate is the highest in the world (and despite the fall over the last 7 days, it still is) then I think we have to live with it. It will not be forever. It is unlikely to be for very long at all. The last thing clubs want is to turn any potential customers away. It certainly isn't worth having some libertarian tantrum over.

I think we can all guess what the P stands for in Big P...

It did say in the story in the Standard that neither Georgia Barton or the friends whose house it occurred at were going to appear as witnesses. Statements taken on the night, the recorded call from Georgia Barton, a medical report and Barton's previous will likely form the bulk of the prosecution's case. In the UK, victims do not need to press for prosecution. The police will submit a file to the CPS if they think there is a case to answer and the CPS will look to prosecute if they think there is a reasonable chance of success in court.

Do you mean this protest, which as you can see was covered by the BBC and on the front page of its website? https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-57560664 Or these protests, also covered by the BBC: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-africa-57958555 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-57963035 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57960044 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-57957405 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-australia-57953658 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-australia-57952516 https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/world-europe-57956846 All these stories are from the last two days on the BBC.

As a former nurse, Kate Shemirani should really be able to realise that any bacteria that are "teeming" in your mask will have come from your own lungs, so if some of them cause pneumonia, then you've already got it.

To play Devil's advocate here, I doubt many people in supermarkets will be shouting or singing. The NHS pinger app only contacts you if you've spent 15 minutes or more within 2 metres of an infected person. That's more likely in football than in a supermarket.

For those who like facts rather than fiction, here two professors at the world's largest medical research university explain why vaccines do not affect fertility - and note that it is actually catching Covid-19 that will impact that. Unvaccinated women hoping to start families in the future might wish to keep that in mind. https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-myth-versus-fact

Wow! What a moron! Apart from the fact that it was the BBC's helicopter that took the pictures of the raid on Cliff's house following a leak from the Yewtree team (and the police took no press along) his Adam Johnson statements show he knows nothing about the case. Although all Johnson admitted was kissing the 15-year-old, he was actually found guilty of fingering her as well, and of grooming. His texts (which he told the girl to delete after reading them) made clear he wanted to have sex with her and set up a meeting for this to happen. The Evans retrial is controversial (see the link), but at a minimum it paints a rather sordid picture of the player's personal life. It has hardly ruined his career though. He was in L1 when he was arrested and now he's playing in the Championship. https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/14/campaigners-fear-evans-case-will-stop-women-reporting As for his claim, "everyone knows who Joey Barton is". Um, no, no, they don't.

Joey's spent more time talking to the police than Sting's accountant.

I appreciate your contributions on this board and I don't want to be harsh, but here's a well-intentioned tip. When talking about things you don't know about - like vaccines and medicine generally - do plenty of informed background reading from sources that have put in the hard yards of research in those subjects, and can be considered "expert". I am neither a vaccinologist, nor do I possess any sort of medical degree: However, I know from intensive reading on the subject that there is no way being injected with a few microns of matter to trigger an immune system response can possibly affect your fertility. That just isn't how it works. If it was, your fertility would decline every time you caught a cold, or had hay fever, or scratched your skin. Every medicine has side effects. Open up a packet of paracetamol these days and you'll get a fold-out leaflet listing common, less-common, rare and incredibly rare, side effects. In paracetamol this can, in very rare cases, include death. This is to be expected - there are people who will die if they eat a strawberry, whereas most of us love them. The very fact that about 3 billion doses of Covid vaccine has been given around the world, should reassure you that "lots" of people aren't going to die or be seriously harmed from it. 3 billion is a f- of a lot and if even one in 100,000 doses caused death, folk would be dropping like flies. They haven't. We injected tens of thousands last spring/summer and ramped that up to millions starting 8 months ago. If there was something the massed ranks of scientists and statistical researchers had missed in trials, it would have become obvious by now. We've had inoculations for a millennia, injectable vaccines for centuries and have used similar technologies to these jabs for decades. The active agent that promotes the immune response is excreted by the body in hours. The immune response builds over three weeks, then fades. In months, all you have is a memory stored in your bloodstream of the pathogen; just like your body stores the memory of umpteen other things it doesn't require. This is why if a vaccine is going to make you ill, it will do so straight away. Any malign affects will have happened in that three weeks where the immune "charge" builds. A vaccine can no more make you ill 6 months after you've had it, than an off pint you drank in 2019 can make you have the squits today. I know this from reading what medics, scientists, virologists, haematologists etc have found. Proper peer-reviewed science. So my second tip, is distinguish between sources. It's likely that tens of thousands of medical researchers know more than the former Coventry City goalie. If there are "voices from the wilderness who disagree with the consensus" there is a reason they are in the "wilderness". Usually, because they have no in-depth knowledge of what they're talking about. Often because their income derives from grifting

Covid doesn't have a 99.97% survival rate. The average case fatality rate is 2%. https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid

We're going off the point of this Blue Few thread, but I'd like it recorded that I've met Mr C from The Shaman and he is a complete tosser.

Correct. It is possible, but incredibly unlikely, that you'll catch Covid from inhaling one viron. It is possible, but incredibly unlikely, that you'll catch Covid from inhaling 10 virons. It is quite likely you'll catch Covid if a heavily infected, unvaccinated person sneezes near you and you end up ingesting 20,000 virons. It is possibly, but less likely, that you'll catch Covid if an infected but vaccinated person sneezes near you and you pick up 500 virons. The virus is all around us now, but in those of who are double-jabbed our immune system cells are beating up the vast majority of it we encounter. Even if enough get through that we can be considered "infected" our viral loads will be a lot lower, which is why we'd be much less likely to pass the infection on.

Carrying a 1.2 bn euros debt. The debt is estimated at 30% of the total value of the club. It's a house of cards that will eventually come crashing down unless urgent action is taken.

Next up, design a logo for Port Vale Bar & Grill

C'mon. He did have a very nice watch. Once. Probably buys them at Argos now...

Thanks, I didn't know that. Even older than the South Wales one that was set up by the iron foundry and mining unions of the time to care for their members and dependents!