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2 hours ago, RedorDead BCFC said:

I thought the insurance issue was because he made his own travel arrangements. 
Also had he actually signed on their forms or on his way to sign? 

He signed them, but used Cardiff's invisible ink.

That way when it came to Nantes demand for payment of the transfer fee they could show an unsigned document, so not their player 

Now they want compensation, they just heat the page up and voila he signed the contract, so must be Cardiff's player!

3 hours ago, REDOXO said:

It, of course, is not VAR per se. However application of it can be extremely iffy!

I said somewhere, there was one nailed on Peno. No doubt!! There were two that could have gone either way. The handball reminded me of ours V Huddersfield! Some say yes some say no! The first shout the same. Some say yes some say no!

However the one where he’s gone through the player from behind and not touched the ball is deeply concerning!

I wouldn’t go along with the VAR ref is a cheat, BUT there can be covert bias! The onfield ref needed help and it didn’t come!

Forest have a right to be furious on that count!

On a slightly different subject the Coventry offside goal is an example of how VAR has got everyone in a hole. To go that long in a game of that magnitude to say someone is offside by less than a centimeter is hardly clear and obvious (unlike the penalty shout at Everton)

 

My thought is that VAR operators have got it right more than wrong but the laws have to be tightened and the appearance of any impropriety be taken seriously.
 

Billions are spent on sports betting with careers and clubs futures on the line in some big games. If rules are not clear and operated effectively we might as well go back to not having it!

In the meantime someone will have to explain publicly how that was possibly not a penalty and Forest will get shafted for publicly pointing it out  

Before the introduction of VAR fans, pundits, managers and players would have differences of opinion over contentious refereeing decisions. This was when the ref had a split second to make a judgement call, in real time and with only one view - often without being able to see the incident clearly.

Now, despite the VAR panel being able to view a contentious decision on TV replays in their own time, with slo-mo and multiple camera angles we still have fans,pundits, managers and players all having differing opinions ( although the worry is that many of those opinions are united in disagreeing with the VAR decision).

As with the Coventry offside in the semi final, I think that fans in particular agree that too many decisions where VAR intervenes are not clear and obvious errors . On the flip side, e.g. at least one of Forest's 3 penalty shouts, it seems that VAR refuses to support clear and obvious errors by the ref.

I've mentioned before that in the past I regarded rugby union's review system as the model football should emulate. However, in the last rugby WC, and especially the final, it was noticeable that the people operating the review system were wanting to be more involved in the game, as they were telling the referee about incidents that should be looked at rather than the referee requesting a review of an incident about which he wasn't sure. That is how how VAR has developed, and seems to be continuing to develop.

6 hours ago, WarksRobin said:

 

They will probably give Forest an additional points deduction, as punishment just to make doubly sure Everton is safe for another season - as if Everton haven't had enough help already!

On 21/04/2024 at 22:00, Davefevs said:

Definitely has to be a manager’s review system.

A few weeks ago i listened to an interview on Talksport with the guy who invented the Hawkeye system, from which VAR was developed.

He said that VAR is the contribution to sport he is least proud of. and he went on to say that it's not the VAR system itself, but the way it's been introduced that he has problems with, as it was designed to be a challenge based system, as is Hawkeye in tennis and cricket. 

31 minutes ago, Midred said:

Recently there appear to be been a number of questionable or clear and obvious errors in the VAR's decision making, can that be challenged. The alternative is the rugby way where the referee asks for specific points to be checked or if dangerous play has been missef.

Perhaps we need VAR's VAR, to check whether VAR has made a clear and obvious error.

31 minutes ago, Midred said:

Recently there appear to be been a number of questionable or clear and obvious errors in the VAR's decision making, can that be challenged. The alternative is the rugby way where the referee asks for specific points to be checked or if dangerous play has been missef.

Perhaps we need VAR's VAR, to check whether VAR has made a clear and obvious error.

How come players feel it's cold enough to need to wear gloves but are happy to wear short sleeved shirts?

30 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Pretty much everything about the Prem is shit.

I know that many want us to get there but having seen us play 4 seasons of top flight football in my life (a totally different, fairer world), I’m genuinely not bothered about joining that circus.

Have seen comments from fans of promoted clubs who say that getting there is much more enjoyable than being there.

Obviously not the likes of Brighton!

2 hours ago, Curr Avon said:

HPC. 

Half.

Pissed.

on

Courage.

Hamstrings

Protected

by

Courage

?

1 hour ago, Dredd said:

That's the kind of thinking that gets you a job at the big 6! Go for it!

Its not about us it's about all the clubs further down the pyramid whose entire seasons can get changed by a cup run. Though I'm sure SL was very happy with 2 sold out home games this year. And some of our best FA cup results have come in replays. 

The stitch up by the Fa in 1992 ,that resulted in the formation of the premier league, meant that the rest of the pyramid no longer mattered to them. Since then the premier league tail has been wagging the football pyramid dog - as evidenced by this latest decision.

Until recently the premier league had money to spare, as long as as little of it as possible trickled down the pyramid, and for them the FA Cup was an unwelcome distraction from the more important business of premier league success/survival and ever expanding European competitions.

Having seen some of the eye watering losses more and more premier league clubs are posting, the irony now is that some of them might need lucrative cup runs ( including replays) to bring in additional revenue to help balance the books!

4 hours ago, Robbored said:

Because only PL clubs have the kit required to use VaR.

This kit?

How long before PL clubs have a note from their Mums asking for them to be excused taking part in the FA Cup?

More clubs are adversely affected by this decision than the ones that influenced it.

4 hours ago, spudski said:

It's not a British thing about ' Nostalgia '. 

I have many friends in Italy and other European countries who all said we are nuts for pulling down old stadiums, like Highbury and parts of Villa etc. 

Anything designed by Archie Leitch defined British football. 

I know it's Archibald Leach!

On 16/04/2024 at 13:50, Rob26 said:

chelsea sold hotels to themselves to stay within ffp (76m value)

https://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/chelsea-wages-todd-boehly-ffp-32580676

 

whats the rules on property sales these days? value and approval needs to be given by the league, so they need to be worth 76m or more for it to be allowed.

listening on talk sport they have only sold the property and have kept the revenue streams from the hotel

Thinking back to when Derby "sold" their stadium, they had to show a market rent for being able to continue using the ground.

Accordingly, surely if Chelsea is to continue to enjoy the revenue stream from a hotel they no longer own, they must pay a market rent to the new owner, otherwise it would be even more of a sham transaction than it already is!

In the wake of Derby, Wednesday and Stoke all exploiting the loophole the EFL left in their revised ffp rules, I think I'm right in saying that loophole has since been closed.

It would appear that the Premier League administrators were not quite so quick to plug the loophole that allows a club to sell an asset to an interested third party.

I would not be surprised see that Man City's lawyers will be able to drive a coach and horses through the 100+ charges brought against them. Not because they are innocent of the charges, but because it seems that footballs administrators are to naive and cannot see how devious clubs ( especially the wealthiest, with money to afford top accountants and legal advisers) will cheat in order to gain an advantage.

What defines a good ground?

A City away win!

9 hours ago, formerly known as ivan said:

I’m judging things on the 6 months Manning has been here, not the 5 end of season games that have no meaning to them.

They'd have had meaning to them had he lost all 5!

In the days of uncovered wickets he earned his "deadly" nickname.

Always remember this photo with every player on the pitch in shot.

Sat and chatted to his Mum and Dad at Scunny years back. They were sat behind the goal with City fans - really nice couple.

Council?

21 minutes ago, Banjo Island said:

Manning in

Manning hokey cokey.

45 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

I wonder if there is any correlation, example, or evidence that links "finishing strong" in one season with a strong start to the following one?

The idea that good results in April 2024 will increase the chance of good results in August 2024 has the feeling of a classic football cliché to me.

A game of two seasons?

2 hours ago, grifty said:

There is a science to that rule...

Given the number of exceptions to the rule, it seems to me there is more of a seance to it.

6 minutes ago, Scrumpylegs said:

The Leicester forum (Foxes-talk) is a good read at the moment. If anyone thinks that Manning has had a hard time on this forum should read the ‘Enzo Out?’ thread. Bearing in mind they’re top of the league with four games to go, the poll shows that 88% think that their manager should be sacked! Even talk of Warnock on there

Is our Seagull posting on there as well?