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45 minutes ago, ExiledAjax said:

I wonder if there is any correlation, example, or evidence that links "finishing strong" in one season with a strong start to the following one?

The idea that good results in April 2024 will increase the chance of good results in August 2024 has the feeling of a classic football cliché to me.

A game of two seasons?

2 hours ago, grifty said:

There is a science to that rule...

Given the number of exceptions to the rule, it seems to me there is more of a seance to it.

6 minutes ago, Scrumpylegs said:

The Leicester forum (Foxes-talk) is a good read at the moment. If anyone thinks that Manning has had a hard time on this forum should read the ‘Enzo Out?’ thread. Bearing in mind they’re top of the league with four games to go, the poll shows that 88% think that their manager should be sacked! Even talk of Warnock on there

Is our Seagull posting on there as well?  

2 hours ago, Grey Fox said:

And Blackburn , away trips to Leeds and Leicester remaining. 

And Blackburn , away trips to Leeds and Leicester remaining. 

And Blackburn , away trips to Leeds and Leicester remaining. 

And Blackburn , away trips to Leeds and Leicester remaining. 

And Blackburn , away trips to Leeds and Leicester remaining. 

And Blackburn , away trips to Leeds and Leicester remaining. 

And Blackburn , away trips to Leeds and Leicester remaining. 

I can remember playing double headers at the end of season in the District League, but never hepta headers!

7 minutes ago, Pip King said:

God can you imagine if they didn't go up at all. At least they'd be avoiding a points deduction 

1 minute ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

Well if they stay down, they would be walking into a potential Embargo and Business Plan which if anything can be more damaging and a Business Plan included targets to hit by March, or it is points as well.

Even if they pass FFP to this year, they may have to as per the protocol arrange some kinda future looking Business Plan with the League which has targets among other things for Player Sales, Amortisation, Wages etc. Limits on expenditure, aim to keep a club compliant etc.

If they sell e.g. Dewsbury-Hall to pass to this year, who do they sell for sufficient Profit by March from the start of 2024-25 Reporting Period. They would be far better served by going up.

Embargo can restrict renewal of existing players but again it depends.

Right there's the definition of " between a rock and a hard place"!

On 27/11/2023 at 12:34, LondonBristolian said:

Some teams are great

Some clubs are shite 

We’re Bristol City

and we’re alright.

Plenty of occasions were City is concerned, to paraphrase Eric Morecambe, you've got all the right words, but not necessarily in the right order!

26 minutes ago, mozo said:

I didn't follow this. Did we get relegated or not?!

No, but we've not picked up a single point in the last 24 hours, so if this is extrapolated over a full season then we are absolute certainties to be relegated next season and therefore can look forward to playing a Bristol derby in 25/26.

18 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

2 points ? neither here nor there, is it .

Probably not and especially so when you've got umpteen millions in parachute payments to hand.

4 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

To quote John Maynard Keynes - “When the facts change, I change my mind”.

Sort of reminds me of this interview with Matt Damon - about Tom Cruise.

I liked the Arsenal style with white sleeves - until the suppliers couldn't supply it!

3 hours ago, The Original OTIB said:

There are a great many who are not in either of these camps. They roll with it to a large extent, sometimes up, sometimes down, sometimes frustrated and exasperated, but always hoping for the best, and at least a little entertainment. We all lose our composure a bit form time to time, but quite a lot on here and elsewhere are less extreme than those polarised at either end of the spectrum. In the end, both factions truly have our best interests at heart otherwise they are wasting large chunks of their existence here and at games. What I will note from somewhere here in the centre is that the critical elements are generally far more reasonable, erudite and analytical, backing up their arguments (and inviting critique) whether one might agree with them or not. On the other side, there is a lot of blind faith and entrenchment but rarely much detail as to why they hold their position. Loyalty over logic also plays a significant part. That is just my view, for what it is worth. I'd really love to hear detail from the pro Manning side (not really Manning, as such, it is the "in "x" (insert name of latest incumbent) we trust" mentality), what it is specifically that they have seen evolve, how it has evolved, how it might evolve and what might need improvement, etc. 

Like you, I'm somewhat in the middle on this as I would have been happy for Pearson to continue ( although I think many view his time in charge, particularly more lately, through rose coloured glasses) and do think Manning has made mistakes, although have seen signs that I think auger well for the future - if he is given the chance!

I think Manning's appointment was against a background of growing antipathy towards the owner and senior management at the club, which came to a crescendo with the timing and manner of Pearson's sacking, and think this has affected how he has been viewed by some fans.

I don't think any fans really want to see us lose, but do think that some, who have an axe to grind with the  running of the club, are happy to "point out" Manning's failures, as it enables them  to reinforce the fallacy of the club's decision to sack Pearson. This has led to many things under Manning being compared to Pearson, so that Manning's successes are credited to Pearson ( his players/formation/tactics), whereas poor results and/or performances are put down solely to Manning.

Hopefully , if Manning can continue to produce results and performances, as he has recently, and with greater consistency then hopefully he offers less ammunition for those arguments. Then perhaps the forum can get back to a degree of normality and where every other thread does not descend into a Manning v Pearson debate/argument.

Having said that, how often in the fairly recent past, and under various managers, do we seem to have had moaners v happy clappers discussions, so perhaps , as @RoystonFoote'snephew says  it's down to Bristolian's natural pessimism/negativity!

1 hour ago, ChippenhamRed said:

It will be exactly the same as this season’s kit “in homage to our famous 5-0 win against Blackburn in 2024”.

It will cost £80 and they will make 15 of them, which will sell out within an hour. 13 will be returned because the collars are faulty. More stock will be supplied in April 2025.

With 4 gold stars over the crest to commemorate the wins against Blackburn, Leicester, Saints and WHam.

2 hours ago, Eddie Hitler said:

I really don't mind as long as it's blue.l to celebrate our glory years.

 

...and solidarity with Everton and their fans for how unfairly they have been treated by football administrators

For breaking the same rules that applied to all premier league clubs i.e. they were cheating!

52 minutes ago, SecretSam said:

Right, season's effectively over. Speculation on the new kit can begin.

I'll start: red home jersey. 

Speculation? 

You're really going out on a limb there Sam! 

I've posted this before, but it does seem to accurately reflect the mood swings on OTIB since Manning's appointment and particularly over the last 3 months..

Fans on my generation will recognise it from Junior Choice, younger fans...... well, just accept that some of us are old and that the world didn't used to be in colour!

Just now, BanburyRed said:

W-S-M Seagull, when he logs on.........

If!

5 minutes ago, Major Isewater said:

Now is the winter of our discontent. 

That's climate change for you!

2 minutes ago, HunstantonRed said:

Leeds reliant on Summerville.

1 minute ago, Silvio Dante said:

Can’t leave them that way.

Now he's at Leeds he can't be called a smalltown boy.

Gerry Gow.

With modern refereeing he'd struggle to stay on the pitch for more than 45 minutes, but he'd still manage to affect a game more in 45 minutes than many of ours do in a month.

I know it only said one choice, but cheeky second would be Cheesley - he'd scare the 5h!t out of modern day defenders.

Edit: 

Just read the qualification " still in the game"!

In which case it has to be Alex Scott - the best natural talent I've seen at City in over 50 years. Him alongside Gow would be some midfield!

So it's a mathematical certainty that the Pearson v Manning debate will continue into next season!  

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

There is a real snobbery against more direct / bits n pieces football.  But if you can’t compete by matching a passing style, why would you, you’d try to find another way, wouldn’t you?

I remember a story about Alan Hansen when he signed for Liverpool.

Shortly after signing he was stood by Bob Paisley watching a full scale practice match. Paisley asked him what he thought and Hansen replied, saying that watching the game he hadn't realised that Liverpool was a long ball team.

"We're not" answered Paisley, " we don't play long ball, we play the right ball".

1 hour ago, formerly known as ivan said:

 The contact was clear and Silva went over, therefore it’s a penalty.

If it's a Bristol City player it's not!

Playing devil's advocate, for some on here it will be whatever we don't have.

Good performance then it's the result that's important.

Good result then it's the performance that's most important.

That's assuming, of course, that we don't have both together!

Caught a Talksport interview the other day with the guy who invented Hawkeye, from which I think VAR was developed.

He said that he is disappointed at how VAR was introduced into football as it was not intended to be used in the way it is.(I hope my interpretation is accurate)

I'm sure he said that it was intended to be used on a challenge basis, as are reviews in American football.

I used to say that Rugby had it right, but the last world cup changed my opinion, as you could sense that the review panel were looking to get involved in the game. That is the problem with football VAR - the VAR involvement is too often a bigger story than the incident in question.

23 minutes ago, Hxj said:

No need for the ? 

It appears that LCFC may escape any punishment for 2022/23, until 2024/25.  As I said previously pointed out the relevant regulations have a hole in them.

The EPL cannot transfer a case to the EFL unless the subject was subject to a disciplinary case before relegation - which LCFC were not.

The EFl can only sanction if their 2023/24 FFP calculations actually show a breach for 2023/24. 

 

 

The model for football's  financial regulations....