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British car please tell me more of this mythical machine?

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back too division one we go!

English culture is surley both. For example the cornish consider themselves cornish, so this must part of the overall english culture. Culture cannot be one thing. iT has to be a group of tradtions, people ideas etc coming togther. This is what makes the english culture so difficult to define, because the people and customs and language is so divers on such a tiny island.

I posted this link a while back i think, but here it is again. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2076470.stm

not going to argue there. My original point was poor and not very well thought out. This is very goood point. Its like calling the right, racist.

A decent answer. I think the notion of belonging to a nation is just the human need to belong to somthing. like supporting a football team. I think you have explained the roots of the nation very well and in simpleton terms that make your point very clear. But i think England sailed the world and spread its ideas like sports such as football, cricket, rugby and the americans perferred to use are language instead of german, helped spread the language. This spreading of are culture ment that to the english people that there culture was diluted, not having its own language, car industry or a cause to rally around like independance. The empire probably used to fill this hole but this has know gone and people no longer means what the english are, (the goverments need to try and make us embrace europe is doing further damage and causing stern resistance)which this debate proves. But we seem to be willing to try anything, how many indian and chinese resturants would you find on the continent, baseball caps and rap music. we seem to be able to meet things head on and try other cultures out with ease. "England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In left-wing circles it is always felt that there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at everything from horse racing to suet pudding. It is a strange fact, but it is unquestionably true that almost any English intellectual would feel more ashamed of standing to attention during God Save the King than of stealing from the poor box." George Orwell

http://www.manwoman.net/swastika/swastika.html http://history1900s.about.com/cs/swastika/...tikahistory.htm

you may have posted this before i edited my original post. "I don't even think you know who the English are." you have yet to answer this question yourself. Instead of being dismissive of my posts why don't you help me out?

The normans invaded and unified the english into one nation William believed he was the rightful heir for the throne. His reign in England may have been brutal, but made england rich and strong http://www.britannia.com/history/monarchs/mon22.html

You got me on a technicality, were are desecndants (sp) of these people. I said we have never suffered a major military defeat. Please let me know if we have since england became one nation. And you have yet to offer anything except critisim of other peoples replays.

England is one of the oldest nations in the world, and it's people are comparised of many diferent settlers and invaders, the romans, anglo saxons, vikings and normans. English people are normally defined as people who were born in England. If you care to add anything please do, i know who the english are. The st george needs be more visible in life and not hidden as a dirty secret, this may get rid of some peoples view as it being racist.

who said that the englishman was the luckest person in the world? because whoever did was right. Nice safe climate, no nasty snakes or spiders, mostley civilsed people that can adapt quickly to changes in industry. We havn't slaughterd our head of state for ages, respected by most in the world, everybody wants to live here and we should be proud of that. never suffered a major milatry defeat, no independance day because we have always been free. How can anyone be embarresd by being english or want to cover up our flag and history, these people are nutters.