Crimson Crayola

42 minutes ago, NickJ said:

Its very simple to point out that Manning was brought in to get a top 6 squad into the top 6, and didn’t.

This again. Do you honestly think this was ever likely? (even under Pearson). If you've ever felt that "top 6" was an over ambitious (or idiotic) comment from Jon, you can't really use failing to get into the playoffs as a stick to beat Manning with.

By all means critique the playing style, interviews, pathway blocking etc, but the top 6 argument is tiresome and weak.

8 hours ago, NickJ said:

Manning replaced Pearson because so say Pearson wasn’t getting the best out of a “top 6 squad”.

Under Manning we have regressed by 5 points compared with where we were under Pearson, fact. 
 

Not sure what’s so difficult to comprehend. 
 

And don’t start me off with how he set us up against Swansea, the most boring pointless game of football I have ever seen. 

 

 

 

But at the very start of the season we were joint top and Pearson saw us slowly regress too. Comparing where we were at point a. To where we are now at point b. Is not as simple as you make out.

16 hours ago, Ian M said:

Well he could, if he was ever fit. If anyone came in for him I’d take the opportunity to free ourselves of his wage.

If things go our way over the next 7 days, he could yet be joining a top 10 side to soften the blow.

I think Kai could be useful for us next season. Defence still looks a little light so we'd have to replace him if we got rid, which would involve more fees plus the fact that he came from Luton when we were being frugal means I can't see him being on a huge wedge.

As an aside I saw him in Nailsea Touts yesterday and didn't realise he was as tall as he is. (I am a short a## though).

9 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

These minority vocal supporters wanted this type of head coach that draws silly arrows on the training pitch. 

They wanted a 'football manager' head coach. The thought by having anAI head coach we'd achieve success simply by having better tactics blah blah blah.

Now they've got that there is a sudden realisation by them that real life football isn't a computer game. 

It's hilarious to see those people that were so invested in Nige out and Manning in suddenly turn on Manning too. 

This is their guy, they need to own that! 

As someone who was (mistakenly) mildly optimistic about Manning when appointed You've missed two points:

1. In October nobody was 'invested in Nige out' (Okay maybe the board, but certainly not swathes of fans). Nige was doing okay with what he had. That's why people were confused.

2. Fans were miss-sold what manning would bring to the club and his style of play.

Its rightly taken a while to form an opinion on manning. Just because you sit at the extreme end of the debate doesn't mean everyone is so inclined.

22 hours ago, 1960maaan said:

For me that's a prerequisite for a Journalist , not always easy .
With a mix of feeling for the Club, and pressure from the Club, it can get a little murky. I think JP is a breath of fresh air . 
 

Completely agree. Always asks well thought out questions in interviews and seems very knowledgeable. Compared to some other local journalists we've had, he's great.

4 hours ago, Davefevs said:

I think you’ll find they do!  There are constantly threads mentioning the dilution of the CEO role.

These have passed me by. And I do worry about how the lack of CEO will affect the club long term (not that it appears PA set the bar particularly high).

Where it appears Tins really dropped the ball was being completely absent between the departures of PA and Nige. Nige was the only one speaking to the press regularly. Now he is atleast on the comms but its a case of too little too late. Not helped by Manning's less than brilliant performance.

54 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

Same job title pre and post - very different R&R abd expectations.

Don’t forget we had two people (PA and NP) undertaking “stuff” that I’ll simplify as Strategy and Management tasks that they’ve divvied up between GM, TR, BT and LM.  I don’t see much evidence at this point of those tasks being executed in the sane fashion / level as it stands.

Good points but I'd suggest Tinnion had a lot more to gain from PA leaving than Pearson, but no-one gets in a hump about that. 

I'm certain Tinnion is not 100% blameless in Nigels departure (he could of, and probably didn't fight Nigel's corner) but any suggestions that this doesn't land mostly at the Landsdown's feet are wildly underestimating their insecurity issues. And so any speculation that he's a snake I find a little undeserving.

8 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

So it was the tea lady at the HPC?

Who would Lansdown a) listen to, and b) believe?

Not the tea lady.

It doesn't matter that the reasons were bullsh1t - they were the reasons given and who had the opportunity, the motive and the form to concoct those reasons?

My point is everyone at the HPC had the potential to 'concoct' those reasons. Do you honestly think Tinnion is the only point of contact there? It doesn't take Poirot to figure out that Nige was missing from the day to day. (Infact I'd be amazed if Pearson didn't inform JL himself)

Also what realistic motives does Tinnion have to see Nige go? He is and never will be seen as a viable manager. He was Technical director before Pearson was sacked, no?

He may not be the brightest, he's certainly no public speaker, he has to take responsibility for this naive January transfer window, but I see no evidence to suggest he's a snake, and don't see how anyone who isn't truly ITK can.

8 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Tinnion.

Tinnion is Iago, pouring poison in Lansdown's ear.

Jon Lansdown doesn't know what day of the week it is, never mind have the wherewithal to orchestrate such a thing.

So you're the one who needs to wake up methinks.

2 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

"Assumed". "No evidence".

Amongst the reasons we were given for sacking Pearson were:

The manager is never here these days - The players are being given too much time off - We want more on the grass coaching of front foot progressive football.

And there's only one way you can come to those conclusions - you'd have to spend a lot of your time at the HPC.

You realise that the HPC employs more that just Tinnion right? If JL or SL wanted to keep tabs on Pearson not everything has to go through him.

2 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

SL, JL, GM, BT are the people responsible for Pearson's sacking.

So unless SL can see from Guernsey what goes on at the HPC every day, unless JL can do so from Bermuda or Feverpitch HQ, who the hell do you think came up with the bullsh1t about Pearson not turning up enough, the players having too much time away from the HPC, not enough "progressive" coaching going on out on the grass? GM being irrelevant.

But this is the point. He wasn't sacked for not turning up. (Or any of the bullshit cooked up by JL) He was sacked because he didnt toe the landsdown line and pretty much critisised them in public. I'm not saying tinnion is blameless but anyone that thinks he is anywhere as near a culpable as JL or SL (or even Pearson himself to that matter) needs to wake up.

2 hours ago, Merrick's Marvels said:

Who?

Even Inspector Clouseau could identify the culprit in that line up.

What's more, only one of those 4 had motive and opportunity.

Not only that but form for it too - Danny Wilson told us so.

So you'd have to be a one-eyed dunce not to know who was responsible for pouring poison in Lansdown's ear. Again.

It was Tinnion. In the HPC. With a knife.

2 hours ago, Alessandro said:

You do realise that when a player comes through our academy and is sold on, that is down to numerous individuals within the club, not just being 'nursed' by Brian Tinnion, right?

I just had a terrifying mental image of Tinnion breastfeeding Alex Scott. 

4 minutes ago, Graham76 said:

Tinnion dug his own grave the moment he knifed Pearson in the back. 

How did Tinnion knife Pearson in the back exactly?

51 minutes ago, Davefevs said:

There is a point where someone can say “I don’t want to do the job you’re offering”.  We know from Tins himself he feels he’s deserving of the role…so imho he deserves to be critiqued based on the role.

Critiquing him on his role is fair. But the majority of the flack that comes his way isn't based on his performance as technical director but the assumed role (on no evidence) he played in the dismissal of Pearson.

Not able to watch or listen today. Hows it shaping up compared to the last couple of sh*t shows? Players getting the basics right so far?

1 minute ago, Spike said:

I don't like that starting line up, I know Tanner has been good but I do like McCrorie however King, TGH and Williams in midfield is dire. 

If Williams can't find his form today and King is not at his best I feel like we'll get over run in the middle far too easily. I honestly have very little excitement for this match atm. 

Weirdly I'm more confident about King than TGH or Williams today. He hasn't put a foot wrong when he's played this season.

1 minute ago, BCFCGav said:

TGH wing?!

Have we seen him there yet? I'd imagine Knight and sykes more likely on the wing with Wells on his own? 

1 minute ago, Big C said:

No Tanner?!

2 hours ago, Natchfever said:

You dont think he has been set objectives that align with those shared with the fanbase ?

With the ownerships' track record of honest and open comms?! Probably not.

3 minutes ago, Natchfever said:

**** me getting desperate now.

He's not wrong. I doubt that ultimatum was put to Manning on his interview.

As has been said elsewhere. No point in sacking now. I'd give him the summer on the grass and give him up until Oct/Nov to show a significant improvement in performances and results. But if things don't improve before the end of the season Tinnion and Jr are going to be under a whole lot of pressure. 

2 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

Bit gutted Cornick isn't starting (never thought I'd say that)

9 minutes ago, ashton_fan said:

The reason we're mid table is we don't win games like this that we should, we have to break the mould to move into the top half and onwards, no excuses today with the players we have available 

While i think we should have enough for the win. I don't really think 'no excuses' ever really holds water, when you're playing 11 other players who have other ideas, and you factor fortune/misfortune too.

QPR are fighting for their lives so it's going to be a tough 90 mins.

21 hours ago, W-S-M Seagull said:

I think in his short time here he has understood that whilst he may remove his emotions our team performs best when it plays to the emotions of the crowd. 

I think he's started to learn the power of a collective spirit. And to be fair to him he's never really managed a team that has had such a big and passionate fan base. 

Nah. There was far too much talk about behaviours and principles. He's now dropped all that talk. 

"To be fair" that's his philosophy, and in the early days he's always likely to use that as a crutch. (Which after Nige felt borderline robotic let alone unemotional) He now knows the team, the club and the press, so its no surprise he's a little bit more engaging in pressers.  Perhaps we just needed to be a little more patient?

2 hours ago, Port Said Red said:

I thought that before Tuesday night, but there was that one run where he shrugged off the defenders challenge in the 2nd half that got me thinking he's stronger than he looks.

You see his calves? The lad's stacked. Conversely Mebude's are like pencils.

I wasnt overly enthusiastic with the line-up of James and Williams but tonight proved they can play together without sacrificing impetus. Both of them immense.

25 minutes ago, Littlesh*t said:

Pring is all action and great to watch but his final ball isn't very good.i actually thought Roberts gave us a much better attack down the left

Yep, can't remember the last time pring made a cross like Roberts can deliver