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Was more just about the control aspect and the criticism Tann attracted from Cardiff fans (re the colour change). If SL had managed what Tann managed, or was as competent, and he isn't (not intefered much and just let a manager get on with his job), we wouldn't be talking about this mess and NP would still be here.

De Boer had less. And ironically had a similar ethos regarding possession. #justsaying

Agree with all your point Fox. However with regards to Leicesters decisionmto rappoint Nige meant your owners didn't have too big of an ego trip. Sadly Lansdown seems to have such a fragile ego where he sacked NP in the first place, and the last time he attracted criticism he spieled the old "its MY club" card. If he wasn't English there'd be more than one comparison with a certain Vincent Tan. Sadly can't see him admitting any mistake. Wish he'd just sell. Him expecting what he values Bristol Sport at means thats not happening any time soon either. Delusional. Him, Tinnion, and his Son. None of them at all qualified.

Think it's fair to say I think Hargreaves got the lions share of the brains and acumen at this stage, at the very least with regards to decision making and management. I appreciate the money SL pumps in, but the lack of forethought and stratagem from the top is stifling. Can't accept a contrary view to his own that's at all forthright. Ends up with yes men and no backbone in his management. Said it once and I'll say it again, GJ aside, the only good appointment in the last 15 years was Cotts ...who was appointed by Keith Dawe when SL stepped away from the club slightly.

I feared it the second they sacked NP. Not because NP was the best manager in the division, he isnt. But because of one simple word. Stability. And we chcuked it out the window as our manager rightly felt he wasn't being backed, and the owners ego couldn't seem to take valid and accurate (critique) feedback without Gould buttering him up. If we get relegated, and I hope not - but it would be everything the leadership deserve. This should have been all sorted (new manager, full preseason) over the summer period. Simple planning, structure, and targeted recruitment. Instead, we, the fans, now have no choice but to feel sorry for Manning, and pray he adapts. All because of their ego and stupidity.

James Hill, Matt Hill's son. They were referencing latter's playing career.

Yeah see loads of people excited over us playing like we're back under O'Driscoll. Not. Behave - people are rightly pissed off - namely with club leadership, and worried about the fact this could realistically lead to relegation dogfight. They've dug their own hole. Manning wasnt going to get a grace period after the way NP was treated, rightly or wrongly.

No other player reminds me of how badly we wasted money in that period. Dear lord, how we had him for three years on the books...

Still think we're roundly way too slow shifting the ball across the pitch. Reminds me of O'Driscoll too much.

Hiding.

Much worse for NP. Cardiff. NP didn't have Vyner, Tanner, Williams, Conway; with six of eight bench players being Yeboah, Knight-Lebel, Backwell, Idehen Thomas and Nelson. Conway was still named on the bench despite not being close to fitness. Manning today at least had options to try and change the game.

With 11 players out injured with games against Leeds and Leicester? He has the latter right as with him, despite those "7 games" we were within touching distance of the play offs with Jan on the horizon after he wasn't backed in the summer. Absolute miracle, if you ask me. We had some sense of stability in spite of the tiny squad he was working with.

Think context needs to be provided here. Rolls got shat on due to the type of injuries we were getting - we had 5 players out at one stage due to Calf and Hamstring pulls and tears at one stage. Compare that to Rennie where we had two ACL injuries (which are plain unlucky and more linked to development (15-19) than anything with regards to fitness, and Vyner, Tanner, among others who were impact injuries. The only player I can recall with Hamstring issues is Conway - Williams had recurrences and has been crocked ever since the Rolls period, O'Neill was also critical of our medical team - think it was mentioned when he was a pundit on one of our matches before getting the Bournemouth job. See if I can find out which.

Woodrow played best at Barnsley in the 10 role, but iirc isn't physically that strong nor quick. Type of signing we'd make under MA on decent wages with no real chance of progression or sell on. Conway is the better player for me in that role. Need to look down the leagues like Al-Hamadi at Wombles with the view to next season with Liam having a full preseason with them imo. Same for Mehmeti to an extent. Wouldn't be against a loan to buy option in Jan.

Don't ruddy jinx it man!

We'll never know. So it's not much of a point to make.

I just wish we, if sacking Person was on the cards anyway, had sorted all this in the summer. Not mid way through the season in pure delusion. Nothing against Manning, but the the sheer lack of strategic thinking by JL and BT is utterly staggering. It's idiotic.

It hadn't happened when he joined.

The fact that your sticking up for someone who called another forum poster misogynistic, then turn around and use an ableist insult. Genius. I despair at the intellect on this forum at times. Or your ethics, apparently.

From an FFP perspective, budgeting wouldn't matter as we'd take the hit on compensation this season either way. We'd alternatively have reduced running/salary costs, which if nothing else is likely more sustainable.

For context, I don't agree with the £600k figure. I'm only going off what's been reported and speculated. We know there was some kind of buyout clause due to their being speculation in the first instance. The very fact Piercy confirms a buyout clause - it's unlikely it's a rolling contract. It's also minimum of six figures. (https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/bristol-city-oxford-liam-manning-8886718.amp). Nor is FM a reliable source - but they corroborate this by having Mannings (of which contract lengths was not disclosed on his appointment) tied to 2026. The only sign of this being at all accurate is the fact we offered a deal to 2027. Based on the above using that average salary figure from your quote above, it's likely a buyout was a minimum figure of £350k if tied to 2026. Adding circa £170k for Hogg (who FM have tied to 2025, along with Krause). So it's likely the entire package is actually closer to £650k at worst using those estimates.

Socials - could of course be parroting bs, but iirc correctly first touted either Oxford end or Sky.

We know for Manning it was £600k, and if we assuming Pearson's contract was circa £15kpw over 36 weeks, so circa £450k-550k. Add staff (Assume £6kpw for Assistant, Medical. Coach at £4kpw) for further another circa £500k. You'd probably be talking around £1m for NP, Rennie, Fleming, Euell. For Manning, Hogg, Krause, probably £900k (longer contracts). Include agent fees, it's probably circa £2m. Could have bought a another decent midfielder for that, which I'd of preferred. But we're here now with no NP. So...

Think people in this thread are looking too hard into it. For all we know Tommy may be trying to make a point I e. Focusing. The squad have to effectively re-prove themselves, clean sheet etc. Let's see the application in the first few matches before we start drawing preemptive conclusions.

Can apply that at any level.