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If he always got it 'right' he wouldn't be managing at this level.

Just pointing out that Rowetts net spend over the last 16months was £9m out the door and nothing back in.

If limited funds is £9m+ net spending out the door in the last 16 months, then sure...

Think the budget played a massive part in that. But agree to disagree. Can agree he setup teams wrong on occasion - but nowhere near to the extent of LJ.

We'll never know. With the backing he got - no. We were the lowest net-spending team outside of the parachute clubs for a reason.

In a word. Yes. Reminds me of Ipswich sacking McCarthy, except our board are trying to do it mid season with a much less experienced squad. We desperately need a good appointment, and for them to hit the ground running; with a very depleted squad.

Eustace for me. Brum were the most organised and well drilled side we've seen this season, and have gone off the rails under Wayne since. Right Age. Good Coach. Free.

You were not in the front carriages on the way back from 'diff then I assume? Fairly light-hearted discussions all things considered, but one lad argued backing SL and got roundly hammered for said opinion. Don't think you realise how much damage not backing Nige at all besides a loan after the Scott sale has damaged the average fans opinion on him. The average fan sees £23m pocketed and nothing reinvested and that's it. The second point in bold is what myself, Fevs, and others who look at the finances thought would have been the case following the 'Pillars' plan talked about under Cotts back in 2015. As Dawe stepped back and SL let MA/LJ have control and backed them to the hilt, where was the sustainability then? If he and JL stepped back from the club, remained underwriters, and appointed an experienced Chairman on a longer terms and structured plan and actually stuck to it, I'd have a hell of a lot more respect for the both of them. Namely because, as per point three in bold - his track record of appointments while holding Chairmanship (Tinnion, GJ, Millen, McInnes O'Driscoll, Holden, Pearson) is pretty tragic when you consider Cotts was a Dawe (13-18) appointment by all accounts. .... And he's just sacked NP I'm ******* done.

He did in the second half more, no question. Just too many times up to the 60th minute mark both him and TGH spent dallying on the ball at times. Pass, then no movement after.

Ironically thought the issue was in midfield. Knight and TGH both fairly poor today. Namely on the ball, not moving it quick enough. We need a Scott replacement in Jan - just some kind of creative nous. Bell and Weimann need to be dropped. Just too many lacking end product. If Cornicks chance goes across that line the perceptions changed.

I've avoided posting for a bit as taking a break for my collective sanity. I'll weigh in on this and resume said break. We've had no consistency at this club in 15 years. We've bounced from extreme to extreme, like a perpetual 300 tonne pendulum. Most of which stemmed from - despite major fiscal input - completely Inept stratagem from ownership down. For the first time in said period, we seem to have a modicum of stability, no stupid fees being spent, a manager who knows what he's doing, and club culture I can get behind with great work into the academy behind the scenes. Give him a two year extension and get on with it. What reason do we realistically have. With this squad as thin as is. To sack NP or to not offer him new deal based on the current league table, when LJ got an extension after one of the worst runs of a city manager in history? This is why we havent had stability. We finally actually have some now that NP has oversaw a two year clear out of the MA/ LJ debacle. While above him we have an incompetent owner in the mould of Championship Moshiri with regards to blowing money despite soundbites about sustainability, nepotism to the fore with his son on the board, who only backed the least qualified manager in the clubs last quarter century as he was and is a family friend. It's the kind of behaviour I'd expect from Chansiri or the Pozzo Family, when written on paper. SL gets seems to get a free ride because he's English and from Bristol with regards to the overall strategy. The only benefit has been the infrastructure.

Blame lies squarely with the owner. And yes I'm aware of FFP.

Luck is part of the game. Could go against them or... Happened to others (Hudds etc).

All three were cumulatively responsible. Ultimately - leads back to the owner. As for comparing us with Ipswich, it's a similar situation to Luton. Let's wait and see Ipswich's accounts for this season. They lost £12m in 21/22 in League 1 with overall wage costs of £16.4m. God forbid what that'll be this season (and last) with barely any real material outgoings (11 in, 6 out; with over £4m net spent in fees) McKenna is carrying that team - big time. They struck gold. What'll be interesting is what happens when he gets poached, and future FFP if they miss out on promotion. I'd estimate 22/23 wages of £18m (up from £16.4m) and this season wages, with the (quite) expensive loans of Hutchinson, Scarlett, Williams, adding Taunzebe on a free? - with promotions clauses they're probably looking at around £24m per annum - wouldn't shock me. It's same as when MA was with us - spiraling costs are fine as long as there is progress on the pitch, and people turn a blind eye until things go wrong. The key difference is that Ipswich have McKenna who has an all out attack style and he sticks to it. Whereas we had a former player who was friends with the owner and thought he was Jose's better reincarnation.

This. Essentially. I agree Pops. Zak bailed Naismith out a couple of times with his pace - an example of where he couldn't was Cullen against us for Swansea's goal (he also jogged back for that one too). Think Dickie and Zak will be the go to once the latter is fit. Atkinson back as cover also once fit until one of the two go out of form. What I wouldn't mind is rotating Kal into midfield - he's good in a 50:50 and we lack a bit of steel at times. Ironically will credit Dickie today. Really tried pushing play up the pitch. One player who hasn't impressed me off the bench so far since back is Andi. Would have bough Mehmeti on to give the latter a chance to make a point.

The points were lost after the slow restart after HT.

That was an announcement? .... genuinely thought he'd left the mic unmuted and was talking to somebody on the side of the pitch.

It's odd, as PA messaging was basically that he worked on the deal, but he didn't really mention completing it. Id speculate whether SL got involved, PA got annoyed - had planned out reinvestiture, but was overriden. Hence stepping down due to disagreements at the board level. It's all very very strange.

Or PA disagreed and didn't want to be the fall guy. We may never know.

For the bold - I'm not certain. He certainly directs the kind of player he wants, but as far as I'm aware NP has always kept a certain distance from the recruitment side of things. It's why he's bigger on the analytics, methodology, and management. Theoretically - that's the whole reason Tinns is moving in the recruitment focused direction I'd have thought will Ghillespy as lead scout/analyst. Some pre Tinns moving up signings (King, Simpson, James, Tanner) you can see his influence as early doors he was working without a scouting team that all left with MA as part of the latter's 'consultancy' and seemed to bring in people he felt he could trust. Others I can see Alexander's influence (Mehmeti). God knows whose idea Cornick was. It's the reason why he had Walsh working with him at Hull/Leicester. The reason for Man Utd U21 poaching that went on appears to be Gordon McQueen, who worked alongside David Mills who is the current, and was under Nige, Head Scout at Leicester and Hull respectively that Walsh bought with him to both clubs following NP along with Shakespeare. He's seemingly what LJ preached he was, but without the bluster and analogies.

Although LJs clubs in bag and tactical approach is as much to blame for the wage budget issue - SL refusing to stop the coffers for a 'friend'.

The council is literally killing the city - I actually feel for Rovers over the stand episode etc as it's stuff we've been through all over again. They are a joke - simply put. That's not even mentioning the arena fiasco.

...wasn't Dolman deposed before promotion? Circa 72-74 thereabouts? He was Club President until his death I think thereafter.

His best mate Tinns is in charge of recruitment currently, so...

Think it's the fact that his record speaks for itself. Too emotional, too much nepotism, unable to detach the emotional element. Call it either Ego or whatever you wish. He's not backed the one manager who has met most of the set targets given to him, who wasn't a nepotistic appointment. He deserves to be called out on it, especislly if we get nobody through the doors before the window shuts. If NP walks, and say we get relegated due to the lack of squad strength and depth from selling Scott and Semenyo, SL's legacy can shove it.