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3 minutes ago, Street red said:

Someone else will get the best out of them for 5 minutes it will make no difference players seem to like the cozy life at this club,Put in performances when they want. Whoever is in charge it won't change a thing! The club's a shambles and needs massive massive change.

What do you suggest changes?

It is a sad state of affairs when the Dolman can barely muster a 'come on your reds' at a corner.

As a fanbase we do not deserve success, if people cannot even be bothered to get behind the team vocally when required.

We have had games over the last few seasons where we have equalised with about 15 minutes left, the game there to be taken, and still nothing.

Yet, on some occasions, normally for 30 seconds after a goal we can be quite loud.

Cotterill should really just keep quiet.  He doesn't know the personal circumstances and a poor chap has had to end his career and looks like may have health complications for the rest of his life due to hereditary reasons.

It may worth mentioning though, that Florida's Surgeon General (the highest ranked medical professional in the state of 22 million people) has recently recommended the covid vaccine is not taken by fit and healthy males under the age of 40, due to medical studies showing the vaccine can cause (in very small numbers) risks to the heart. 

This follows Denmark and Norway advising those that are fit and healthy under the age of 50 should not to take the booster.  So it does seem things are changing, as it was not long ago people were getting sacked in the UK for not taking the vaccine and children in the US could not participate in school sport if they were not vaccinated

These things tend not to get mentioned on the BBC, so unfortunately wally's like Cotterill fill the void.

The way I remember it is that Lita wasn't all that great at the time of the play off final. In years to come, yes, he was a great goalscorer, but in my eyes fans judge the decision not to include him in the squad with the benefit of hindsight and the player he later became.

Which one of the subs included on the day would people have not included?

I think it a disgrace Wells is still at the club.  Apparently choosing not to be vaccinated, endangering others.  Should be made to travel to games independantly or maybe not even allowed to play at all.

I think they should bring in mandates for sun cream.  If people don't wear it sack them from their jobs and ban them travelling to other countries,  even if they are not going in the sun. 

Obviously we all need to wear sun cream to protect others who are also wearing sun cream.

What would be then be then even more far fetched surely is for the people who introduce this rule to then proclaim 'my body my choice'.

I never understand why artists do this and not play the songs people want to hear, it's only going to mean people are disappointed.

He could probably play back to back classics for 24 hours, yet only played about 3 so far.

The fact I'm on otib instead of engrossed says it all!

It's about context and common sense surely.  Going 32 mph in a 30 is illegal, but clearly not as bad as driving at 50 in a 30.

Celebrating promotion on the pitch is clearly different to randomly invading.

Throw the book at those who misbehave, but don't spoil for it everyone.

2 hours ago, One Team said:

Absolutely, well said. League Cup run aside SL’s nepotism and ignorance has seen us decline ever since. 

We can’t change the past of course but always feels like a sliding doors moment, albeit consequential. 

How can you say it has seen us decline from that moment- we finished consistently higher than we ever had in the past 40 years!

I don't understand how you can argue with fact - the league table does not lie!

Yes we are pants now, and the football may not always have been so exciting - but we are at a different level now - what did you expect that we carry on beating teams 6-0 in the championship?

We all look back at times in the past as being better, the Wilson era was one of the most exciting, but you cannot argue with the positions we have finished in the past 5 years or so.

I don't understand people saying 'the culture of the club is wrong'.  What do you actually mean by this, particularly in terms of matchday performance?

From what I can see, the players are individually decent on paper (or half decent), we are just lacking something. That bit of creativity in the middle of the park, and we lose concentration at the back. We don't keep the ball well enough, which invites pressure. We let in a lot of late goals, as physiology it plays on the players minds and they lack confidence. 

When we come up against the top teams, they show us up, as they have better players. Against the others teams there generally is not much in it.

I don't understand what this has to do with 'the culture of the club'?

5 minutes ago, tin said:

LJ had three years left on the deal he signed in 2019 when he left us, happily took a seven-figure pay-off after playing a huge role in dismantling Cotts’ squad and increasing costs with his clubs-in-the-bag approach.

He should never have got the job in the first place, a second time would be suicidal for the club. Assistant coach, fine. Head coach, no. 

Another crock of shit from Waconda / VT etc

How dare Lee Johnson dismantle Cotts squad that was heading towards relegation, and build a squad that challanged at the top end of the Championship, our best finishes in 40 years. At the same time making large transfer profits.  Terrible manager.

1 hour ago, Baldyman said:

A bit of common sense from the bench and we could have see the game out . 1 min of injury time left and we still had two subs to bring on . Who in their right mind doesn’t use that to eek out that last  60 seconds ? 

I've never quite understood this.  I can understand that putting a sub on breaks up play and momentum.  It's not going to run down the clock though and the ref will just add the equivalent time on, and if anything add on extra time.  Surely it just risks putting a player on who is not up to speed with the game? Putting on a striker, or an extra defender makes sense, but I have never seen the point of putting on a sub for the sake of it.

17 minutes ago, Numero Uno said:

I agree but playing stupid games like putting a forward at right back to prove a point have to stop, otherwise he needs to **** off with a few others. Today was so bad it’s untrue. A new low.

If that performance was a new low I can only assume you haven't been watching City long.  Yes first half was rubbish, but for 20 minutes in second half it was decent.  Just a shame the substitution seemed to take the momentum out of our play and stopped us keeping the ball in midfield.

I always enjoyed the chant 'always believe', in the Gary Johnson era, it seemed to get the whole crowd going.

I'm not sure if it originated from having Basso in goal, or the fact we just never seemed beaten and would often get last minute equalisers or winners (or was it just copied from another club - I don't recall anyone else singing in).

Always surprised it has not been sung since -  maybe we just don't believe anymore!

Should Dasilva take some of the blame for the first goal? It looks like Vyner told him to mark the player, but he did then run into Vyner's area. Should DaSilva have followed the player? Someone with more football knowledge than me may know!

2 minutes ago, MarcusX said:

Are you suggesting science doesn’t change?

They initially thought covid might be passed by touch, that’s why we washed our hands 100x a day, covered them in sanitised and washed everything that came into our homes. Science and understanding changes.

Also two “scientists” opinions don’t necessarily hold the same weight, especially if one side of the argument has hundreds of scientists and the other only have a few - who may have ulterior motives

I'm saying don't vilify people who may have a different view, as when the science changes their view might have been right.

Slightly off topic but people were sensored for saying covid may have started in a lab. They were accused of fake news, spreading conspiracy theories.  Now the mainstream view is that is a likely cause of where covid originated.  

33 minutes ago, IAmNick said:

Over 100,000 people are injured on the roads here each year - but we still all wear our seatbelts because we know it reduces our chance. There are just so many accidents that some people will still get injured, or die. That's how it works.

I don't think this is really logical. If covid is everywhere then people will be exposed so much they will still catch it at a high rate, even with the vaccine(s). What reason do you have for not believing the studies which show they do effectively reduce transmission?

The fact there are equal studies that show they don't make much difference. Throughout the whole pandemic it has been 'follow the science' but which science? For every scientist who says one thing, there is another scientist who will give a different opinion.  Some may get more press time but does that make them more worthy.

Remember we were told the science said masks make little difference and didn't need to wear then, then we told to wear them  despite no new science.

We were told the vaccine will stop you getting covid (by Biden and CDC), now we now that is not true.

We were told lockdowns will save hundreds of thousands of lives, now studies show they reduced the death rate by just 0.2%.

One study shows vaccination immunity is best, another that immunity after infection is best.

We are given models that there could be 6,000 deaths a day without another lockdown, then (thankfully) they are completely wrong.

Really none of us know.  People seem to pick their opinion and get evidence to suit.  I just feel labeling people 'anti vax' is just the latest way to divide people, especially when the majority of the 'anti vaxers' are not nutty loons but just genuine people with concerns of taking a drug with no medium or long term safety data (which I know is impossible to produce so doesn't mean it is not safe).  They need encouragement to get vaccinated, not punishment and condemnation.

1 hour ago, chinapig said:

Another basic point some people still don't get. Like saying the majority of people killed in road accidents were wearing seat belts therefore seat belts don't work.

But if millions of people were dieing in road accidents you would probably come to the conclusion they are not working.  In the same way the fact that millions of vannicated people are still catching covid in the UK, you would maybe question how good the vaccine is at stopping transmission.

Thankfully the vaccine is undoubtedly amazing at massively reducing serious illness.

The world health organisation said they expected 50% of Europe to catch covid.  Does that really indicate the vaccine 'greatly reduces transmission'.

It seems some people and the press always want to have someone to blame, be it on race, religion,immigration and now vaccinated status. There always seems an agenda to divide. Let's all just get along, life is precious, people will disagree, that's life,just respect others opinions and concerns. Making the jab pretty much mandatory, especially for children, and all the division it has caused just doesn't seem right to me.

2 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Yes some of us do believe it.

Of course it’s impossible to prove that any single individual hasn’t got covid because they’ve been vaccinated and would have done otherwise. It’s like trying to prove any negative.

But I find it equally amazing that people can’t see the possibility (evidenced by studies) that 100,000 vaccinated people catching covid somehow precludes the possibility that 140,000 people would have caught it without vaccinations. 

But Israel, Ireland and Gibraltar have very, very high vaccination rates, and had some if the highest cases numbers in the world.

1 minute ago, Red-Robbo said:

 

The vast majority of the UK is vaccinated, so of course the majority of cases will be from among that 90% of adults.  However, if you're in the 10% who aren't jabbed, you have a higher risk of catching it and a higher risk of getting ill if you do. 

A higher risk - yes completely agree.

A greatly higher risk - not so sure.

18 million people in the UK have had covid, a significant proportion after being vaccinated. I'm not so sure you can say it greatly reduces your risk greatly.

37 minutes ago, maxjak said:

OPERATIVE WORD............COULD.   Sorry life is too short to trade dialogue or debate with someone who has not bothered to educate themselves?   Of course you  can still catch it, but as a responsible citizen it is extremely wise to vaccinate yourself, so as  to greatly reduce the chance of contracting it .  if nobody had bothered to become vaccinated, we would be back where we were  last summer, with the NHS unable to cope?         

Is the vaccine fantastic? yes.

Do I agree people should get vaccinated? yes.

'Greatly reduce the chances of contracting it' - do you genuinely believe that?  Do your experiences in the real world of people you know catching covid genuinely back up that claim?

The tens/hundreds of thousands catching covid each day, the majority who are vaccinated, does that really back up that claim?

I find it amazing that people almost dismiss what they are seeing with their own eyes and choose to believe what they feel they should.

They believe Joe Biden when he said if you have the vaccine you will not get covid, when that is simply not true.

The vaccine is fantastic at stopping people getting seriously ill, but stopping people getting covid and passing it on is much more up for debate.

14 minutes ago, Leveller said:

You do realise that being fully vaccinated doesn’t stop you getting Covid? It only lessens the effects.

Yes, you are arguing my argument (maybe the sarcasm was too subtle). This is why people suggesting unvaccinated players should travel of a different bus, and should keep seperate to vaccinated players makes no sense (likewise vaccine passports)

How can this be? 99% of the Liverpool squad are fully vaccinated, it must be the 1% that has caused the outbreak. 

Encourage vaccination by all means yes, vaccination is a fantastic thing, but if you get on your high horse like Klopp did it will just come back and bite you on the bum.

If any posters want to read back through the previous thread and apologise for their inaccurate comments feel free to.

1 hour ago, BTRFTG said:

So you're now resorting to citing an unemployed and discredited cardiologist hosted by a shock-jock UFC commentating comedian. Strange you neglect to reference what both Senate and the US medical profession had to say about McCollough.

Look forward to what evidence you'll dredge up next - Chris Kamara having David Icke explain how purple tracksuits repel the virus?

What a bizarre existence you enjoy.

Funny you mention David Icke.  The man's a fruitcake, and is arguably dangerous in some of the stuff he says.  The fact however that some of what he said back in March/April 2020 (at a point when there was less than 100 covid deaths in the UK), seems to be more accurate than what government ministers were saying just a few weeks ago which they then go back on, shows why there is so much distrust in politicians!