Robin1988

Farage's comments on Ukraine will do him no favours. Gives Clegg something to attack and will have the media firmly on his side. Even if he has half a point, his choice of words is such that it can form real ammo against him, and overshadow a (pains me to say this) decent performance last night.

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I believe the term is 'logic'.

Four points pissed out of the window in 2 games against 2 very poor sides.

Sums us up.

I think the post sums you up more than anything.

Would that be like the person who obsessively lists all Baldock's misses (from 8 weeks ago) whilst overlooking the fact he is one of the top scorers in League 1?  I think I could accuse that person of self-indulgent bull.  Agree?

 

Some people had valid opinions in January and weren't questioning (rightly) the League 1 top scorer's ability.

 

Humble pie is a big mouthful.

In a thread debating Baldock's conversion rate I would say listing gilt-edged chances missed is a fairly valid argument. I would also say you're calling it self-indulgent bull so as to drag Harry down with you.

Undeniably PSR you have a point; the proof will be in the pudding next season but I don't think there's too much to be worried about yet. When Cotterill made some early murmurings about young players having to prove they are good enough there was some apprehension on here, but Reid, Bryan, Pack, Williams, and even Parish (before his understandable removal) have been included regularly.

 

Whether they will be added to - or whether they even should - from players within the academy, will become clear in time. For my money, the 'mix' that SOD and JL talked about when the pillars were first introduced never really materialised at the start of this season, there were a lot of faces fairly new to this level, and no real sign of a backbone to the side. We now have more of a mix; albeit not the one we wanted from El-Abd, I think it's fair that SC should have expected far more from him. Buying in January is never easy, we will only get a full picture of SC's intentions in the Summer, when the pressure of staving relegation is (for now at least) over.

Despite what people might think I don't have an issue with Cotterill as such, but right at this moment he hasn't done anything to suggest he is the man who will help build a lasting legacy built around our own youth development, that will give us a firm footing for the future, quite the opposite in fact.

It might be that he signed the players he has because he felt that he needed old heads to get us out of the relegation zone, it might be that we will start next season with a fresh young looking side full of potential prospects, and that they will be given every chance to develop even when things go wrong, I hope that's the case, but I am doubtful that it will be. Please prove me wrong SC, I want to see something that gives me hope for a long term future not just something that gives me jam today.

I'm not sure how you reached that conclusion. Bobby Reid and Joe Bryan have featured in almost all (if not every single) game under SC. Burns has also had more of a look in. He hasn't done a massive amount more than SO'D but his approach hasn't been "quite the opposite".

NickJ single handedly making what should be a fairly strong, coherent argument on SC's good form look childish and pathetic. Quite a talent.

Well whoever started this thread must feel like a bit of a tit

Well done Sammy and keep it up!

I doubt it, the fact remains that six weeks ago he was missing simple chances. Now he isn't. Well done Sam.

Just seen it, and Pearson gets done too easy, not really el abds fault but he looked a bit lost admittedly

Not really helped by having two players coming for the same ball with him. Cross should never have come in.

Pearson got beat easily by the by-line for the cross for the second goal, to be honest I can't really remember what else happened. So have to watch it again

Correct. Pearson got royally done after making no attempt to put in any kind of challenge.

I would like to see some statistics balancing the quality of chances we've created this season against other teams. I can't remember us creating this many good chances, or our strikers having as many one-on-ones for a long, long time. Chance conversion percentages & goal tallies on their own only tell half a story.

I probably know as much as you the composition of the competitors chances, but it doesn't make the statistic any less telling.

Goals conceded is still the number one problem. Revisit the stats I posted on average goals scored vs conceded and how that stacks up to the rest of the league.

Oh it absolutely does. If Clarke is starved for service and shooting through a packed box from 20 yards, would you expect the same quality of finishing than from any of the three golden opportunities unmarked Baldock had yesterday? No.

You're as bad as those putting our league position only at Baldock's door. The defence have to share the culpability but Baldock must too.

It's just funny isn't it. People jump on the "unclinical" bandwagon, and he's been one of the most clinical in the league.

But hey, let's not let facts get in the way, they don't mean anything.

How many of these other chances have you seen Bristol86? Did the other players miss several free headers in the 6 yard box, countless one on ones...? It's not factual, it's an ambiguous statistic. Do you know how many of those chances were clear cut? Do you ****.

Open your eyes and see that we have been making more clear cut chances this season than for many years. Partly down to Baldock's very good workrate and movement, it's a shame his finishing in positions of great potential is so shoddy.

No, my logic is that Baldock scores just under half of our goals.  That is my logic. 

That's not what you said, you said we lose 50% of our goals. Only if you're planning on playing with 10 men.

I am stunned people are knocking him, its so frustrating. He is there to score goals, he is scoring goals, yet, people still want to moan and knock him. Take him out of the squad and we lose almost 50% of our goals!!! Who else is scoring apart from him and JET? Its like some City fans are like a dog with a bone and can't let the subject drop due to losing face. So what he misses chances, he is scoring goals, and that what he is doing!!!

Take him out of the squad and we are playing with 10 men by your logic.

He gets in the positions better than any striker we've had... Just can't finish, either some confidence or pressure from another striker is needed to get the best out of him. Can't believe we are moaning about a striker that has got 15 goals this season. We would of killed of that last year!

At this point last season he had one league goal fewer than he had before today, but sure.

Hahaha the guy scores two but that still isnt enough for some. Get a grip ffs.

If he had 20 chances and scored 2 would you be happy? Whether you think he should have scored more or not, this is a BS argument.

I don't need to be at the game to know the type of finisher Baldock is.  he is a scorer of goals, he is not a good finisher. If i am there to witness it or not it matters not. If he hadn't scored 2 we would have lost 2-0, if he had scored the ones he missed we could of won, if MK dons had scored 2 sitters they missed we could have lost, it matters not, he scored 2 goals,if he hadn't we would have  lost 2-0. So he may have actually got us a point.

Striker missing numerous golden chances doesn't matter.

Why would he replace Flint? He's 5'11".

Nope, I am well aware.

 

If you applied the logic that you are using then there would be many more examples of garbage players out there. Lets face it Wolves are in the shit largely down to the decisions of their board, not solely because of the players they had at their disposal. I will admit that Johnson is not a model professional, he likes a drink but he is easily a solid Championship defender.

Have West Ham been relegated already then?

They're the best team in England bankrolled by one of the richest men on earth, with one of the greatest managers in Premier League history & history we could only dream of. With that, off-field stuff falls into place a lot easier.

You don't do nuance ,do you Robin ?

Not with the demographic of this board.