Not the norm and doesn't have to be in order to just stay up. Point is we will likely need at least a couple a results like that against teams around the top to stay up. Get that shouldn't be the limit of our aspirations but for this season I'm not shooting any higher. We are not adrift, we have a pretty reasonable chance of staying up and continuing to positively support is the best thing that can be done in my opinion...or we could just say **** it and throw in the towel. I don't want to do that