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5 minutes ago, Oh Louie louie said:

David icke said he was in a petrol station late at night, and a craft landed, a being gets out, and emptys the petrol pump, into the craft, the attendant comes running out waving his arms around and shouts thats 14ks worth of fuel, can you pay? The alien assures him he can, then he emptys another pump, 7ks worth this time, he then calmly walks in the station and says, got change of a 30000 zooyianilandi note?

By my reckoning that still isn't quite enough to get a seat at the table in the Alex Scott talks. 

If I remember a bit more correctly than my last post, it was in one of those 3-1 defeats that Clive Thomas was the referee and after City went close to scoring he was caught on camera expressing exasperation at how close it had been. It was pointed out in the letters section on Brian Moore's the Big Match as the person who composed the letter wondered if that meant Thomas had shown bias towards Bristol City. But Thomas answered that he enjoyed watching the football he refs like anyone in the crowd and just reacted to a very close effort in the same way as had he been a neutral spectator in the crowd. 

19 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

Blitzkrieg! That Forest side were the best I ever saw at counterattack football, I don't think I have ever seen a game before or since where I was worried when we got a corner. 

A great team for 3 seasons in a row.

 

I was at the game too. City lost 3-1. Forest were super quick on the counter one touch football. Iirc City won something like 17 corners in that match. 

I'm surprised Johnson experienced altitude problems as he's a lot closer to ground level than most.

37 minutes ago, Supersonic Robin said:

The majority of our fans probably care. Of course, you're entitled to your opinion, but I think a stance of "who cares?" would put you in the minority. Badges and kits are important to fans of almost every club. 

This isn't purely an issue of fashion as you seem to reduce it to. To think of it this way is, IMHO, rather naive.

The badge and kit of the club is arguably the most fundamental element of the club's identity. The badge is an emblem that, for many, represents one of their greatest passions in their life - their football club. Fans get tattoos of their football team's badge. Fans buy memorabilia featuring their football team's badge.

To remove the club's badge from the front of the kit is sacrilegious. It's like removing the crucifix from a church's alter. The badge represents the city, the club, the fanbase......fans want to see it on the front of their team's football kit. The best illustration of the importance this has to football fans? Go to most clubs in the country and ask fans what their main expectation of their players is. One of the most common answers you'll get is "I want to see players playing for the badge".

It's understandably a frustration for many fans that the main visual element of the club's identity is being tampered with (without consultation), and for no other reason than the fact that the owner's son likes designing things as a hobby. The associated drop in quality and professionalism that seems to have come with Jon Lansdown's tinkering adds further insult to injury.

You make some excellent points and one of the reasons I originally posted my views in a somewhat provocative manner was to stimulate debate and you have supplied a good argument.

Of course in my 53 years of attending Ashton Gate I have seen City in some kits that I simply haven't liked and worn a badge with 1897 displayed when 1894 was the foundation date (although 1887 if one follows the Bedminster/Southville line back) and I frequently argued the toss about it on here. Thankfully, that has been rectified by the much maligned Jon Lansdown. So by my own admission I haven't always practiced what I preach about putting up with whatever is churned out for us. 

45 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

Clubs especially bristol city want their brand/kits to be seen as iconic and fashionable and have worked hard the last few years with hummel to ensure the kits and brand were just that. 

The reason people are rightly pissed off is they have thrown that out of the window by picking an uncool brand who have uncool designs and then on top of that the quality is shoddy and poor with new random logos all over the place.

Fair points 

24 minutes ago, Sniper said:

Could be a load of rubbish but going on this Alex ain't going to West Ham.

 

This, if true, embellishes what was rumoured happened at a possible meeting the other day. It seems like West Ham won't be his destination. Furthermore, Hammers fans seem to accept this now and are far more preoccupied with whether they should buy Harry Maguire. 

It thus seems to be between Bournemouth and Wolves now. The two clubs who have submitted rejected offers. But I wouldn't be at all surprised if an Italian or German top flight team join the bidders. We have to remember that England youth representative matches are watched over Europe and Scott's performances and experience in men's football are bound to have got a few clubs on the continent interested.

32 minutes ago, paignton red said:

Did you have a spreadsheet to work out that it would be you who got it to a 100 pages davefevs ? 

I'm glad it was Davefevs who broke through the 100 mark. His posts are always so informative and at times fun. He contributes so much to the site and had a fly by night/glory hunter achieved it who hardly posts at all it would've seemed so unfair and I would've demanded a re-count.

As it is our Davefevs can justifiably raise his bat and milk the applause.

Just now, SouthStand Sandwich said:

Erm, football hasn’t changed much since the 70’s??…. Well, brand, material, fit that’s changed? I’d love to buy the heavy cotton shirts and sew my own badge on… but like i say, the worlds moved on. Oh, and football in the 70’s no thanks. Don’t want to go back to those days, rose tinted or not.

I never said I wanted those days. If anything I am making the point that today is far better so that's why I don't understand the complaints! 

I still play football two to three times a week and I can assure you that today's shirts are much better than the heavy cotton shirts (via Toffs) that catch the rain and make one sweat buckets. 

I apologise if my original post led anyone to think that I wished us to go back to that type of kit and how it was acquired. No way. My point was I got behind the team even when the kit was so basic and I get behind them now when kits are far more stylish (and more comfortable to wear). 

7 minutes ago, SouthStand Sandwich said:

Erm… the world has moved on pal since your rose tinted experience… Jesus. 

I think you'll find that football in 1970 has changed little compared to football today. Still 22 players on the pitch kicking the same size football towards the same size goal with both teams wearing different colours to differentiate themselves officiated by a person in the middle assisted by two running either line. 

I fail to perceive what's rose tinted about my experience of watching football back then to watching football today. Basically, the colour and style of kit Bristol City wear to differentiate themselves from their opponents I got 100% behind back then as I do today. I had the Bristol City 1970 kit back then as I have the Bristol City shirt of 2023 today and was/am equally proud to wear both. So where the heck does having a rose tinted experience come into this? I experienced and experience the same thing now as I did then and find it condescending that you should belittle my experience.

Just now, Davefevs said:

We’ve already recruited those 4 - Dickie, McCrorie, Roberts and Knight!  You could call it 6 if you include Mehmeti and Cornick.

I don’t think we recruit another 3 or 4.  

I'm in agreement with you, Davefevs. It keeps being mentioned that we have recruited those players on the back of the Semenyo money, but I believe it's a combination of that and the anticipated Scott money. If we recruit further it will be one or two additions at most.

When the very big clubs, such as Liverpool, are mentioned in regards to Scott it's not how they operate. It's the middle to struggling Premier League sides that cough up the dough to take on rising talent with no previous Prem experience.

A mate of mine made a good point to illustrate this the other day. Virgil van Dijik was superb for Celtic and went to Southampton for £13M. Yet Liverpool knew of him at the time and how good he was but weren't interested. Then with a couple of years Prem experience under his belt they splashed out £75M. 

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Scott end up at one of the top clubs in the country for £60M plus in two or three years but via the stepping stone of a West Ham, Wolves or Bournemouth first. Therefore, it is essential that City add a sell on percentage even if it's only 15% as that could add £6M to say an upfront fee of £22M now. 

I respect your views as most of you respect mine which I appreciate. I have the new shirt and am happy with it's look, quality and availability. I also like the new variation on the robin badge. 

As has been said, ultimately the club will base any decisions regarding new badges, shirts etc on sales. My guess is that sales will tell a different story to the narrative on this thread. 

46 minutes ago, BasSavage88 said:

What a strange strange angry little response

Why are you reading and posting on this thread then?

Sorry didn't realise the thread was restricted to those who agree with you.

Sorry too that you consider my response strange and angry.

When I first supported Bristol City we wore a red top, red shorts, red socks. Went to a sports outfitters near the London Inn to get the kit for my 8th birthday. That's what my mother was given and then the storekeeper opened a drawer full of badges and fetched out the Bristol City one for my mum to sew on. 

The following year I wanted an England kit. Went to the same shop and was given a white shirt, blue shorts and white socks and an England, three lions badge, to sew on. 

My point, which you disparagingly call a strange (X2) angry little response is that these basic kits meant the world to me because they were the kits of the teams I loved. 

When Bristol City took to the Ashton Gate pitch on a balmy August Tuesday night in 1976 against Stoke City for the first home top flight game since 1911 I cheered my heart out. I was as proud as punch and we had won at Arsenal three days earlier. I didn't suddenly temper my enthusiasm and comment upon the fact I didn't like the new umbro diamonds on the sleeves. Basically, I am saying that I don't understand those of you who get so hung up about what Bristol City wear. It's so namby pamby. Sorry. 

In all the years I have supported City I cannot think of one instance where I have heard that a player has turned us down for a potential move because he didn't like the shade of our third kit or the collar of our home shirt. Maybe as succeeding generations become even more namby pamby this will be an inevitability and a manager might one day be sacked because he advocated a red 1.2 cm trim on the white shorts which proved to be highly unpopular. 

At a rough estimate I would say that I regularly talk to 20 Bristol City fans every week. Out of those 21 supporters, including myself, I am the only one who posts on here. About 6 or 7 read this forum but don't post and one other posts very occasionally. Thus I questioned your assertion that the majority of supporters don't like the Bristol City kit based on this thread containing the repeated views of several supporters who wouldn't even constitute a majority on OTIB let alone a majority of Bristol City fans in general. I cannot understand what is strange (X2) and angry about debusing you of that illusion

Just now, BasSavage88 said:

This 59 page thread and the majority of fans 

Rubbish 

The 59 page thread consists of several fans making multiple posts (moans). As far as the majority of fans don't make me laugh. You are a HANDFUL of fans on social media. Next season at Ashton Gate see how many fans at the ground are wearing the new kit and then tell me it's the majority of fans. Christ, get a grip and stop over inflating your own importance. 

Sorry but I have to say this:

Who cares what the #### we wear. I couldn't give a toss if we are sporting red g strings with a badge featuring a constipated robin trying and failing to have a bowel movement as long as we win 4-0 at Leicester.

I couldn't give a toss if we are wearing a washed out yellow shirt with a splat robin with vibrant yellow socks that don't match as long as we beat Southampton at St Mary's six bloody nil. 

Christ, I cannot imagine if social media existed in 1909 and Bristol City displayed their choice of BLUE change kit for the FA CUP FINAL that Edwardian City fans (several just a handful of years from meeting their deaths in the trenches) would've been up in arms about this choice of colour and threatening not to attend at the Crystal Palace to cheer on the lads and casting aspersions at the director they considered responsible.

Jeez, get a life. We are Bristol City. We are a football club. We are not a bunch of Mary Quants. 

I remember having fun with him on here. He came across as being a nice guy with a fantastic sense of humour. 

My condolences to his family and all who know him. RIP. 

As Mark Twain once advised:

Never argue with an idiot. They bring you down to their level then win through experience.

Still remember his two goals to beat Liverpool in 1977 at Ashton Gate a few days later Liverpool won the European Cup for the first time. Plus the goal that beat Man City from a clever free kick routine after they'd been unbeaten for 17 matches. Back then that was quite a streak for them.

Without his goals having returned to us from Chelsea, via Leicester, we would have only lasted one season in our second top flight spell.

A City Legend. RIP.

4 minutes ago, roddy-d said:

Is Declan rice really worth 105

million ??? 

Not if he was being bought by Bournemouth 

30 minutes ago, Nogbad the Bad said:

What did it say?

 

Has Eddie Nketiah signed yet?

10 hours ago, ralphindevon said:

Growing up in West Somerset there was an abandoned mansion on the edge of our village. As kids we would occasionally climb through a broken window and explore inside.

One day we were upstairs larking about when I noticed an old Evening Post that had been used as carpet underlay, the carpet long gone.

On closer examination I could see it was a report on an FA Cup final, Manchester United  1 Bristol City 0, April 1909.

I was about to rescue it and take it home when a loud angry voice shouted from downstairs, we all scarpered as quickly as we could and the next day the whole place had been boarded up.

That was the last time any of us set foot in there, it was soon demolished for a new housing estate. 

Great story but it couldn't have been the Evening Post as the first edition of that was in 1932. Unless it contained a reprint of the report from one of the local papers such as The Bristol Times & Mirror or Western Daily Press from 1909 to mark the 25th anniversary of the match in 1934. As I remember when studying local papers from 1934 that the 25th anniversary was being celebrated with, for instance, adverts publicizing a show in which the film of the 1909 cup final was shown. 

Before anyone asks what happened to this film it was a victim of the Bristol Blitz when the records office was hit. I would've thought that Manchester would also have held a copy but that obviously didn't survive either. Nitrate film, which was highly flammable and also prone to suddenly explode if not kept in the right conditions over a period of time, was the film of choice in Edwardian times and into the 1920s. Film that survives from that time has been carefully preserved and copied onto safer stock. 

6 minutes ago, Bedred31 said:

Didn’t we play Wrexham at the Gate in the 1970’s when we were in the top flight. I think we trailed 0-4 but fought back at the death to draw 4-4. Jumped around like a nutter. Then we went to Wrexham and lost 4-0 in the replay? 

Actually I think we went two up then four two down and got two very late goals to draw 4-4. Then lost the replay 3-0. We were top flight (Div 1) and they were Div 3. Their striker was a player called Dixie O'Neill.

Just now, handsofclay said:

Actually I think we went two up then four two down and got two very late goals to draw 4-4. Then lost the replay 3-0. We were top flight (Div 1) and they were Div 3. Their striker was a player called Dixie O'Neill.

Actually it was Dixie McNeill

22 points for me, but didn't answer the two questions about Lee Johnson and Hibs. 

Worryingly, I scored heavily on questions regarding other teams (including the Gas)and old boys with 13 out of 22 but only got 9 out of 32 on Bristol City!

Just now, RoystonFoote'snephew said:

Totally agree. What Bairstow did was dozy. What Carey did was sharp good cricket. This isn't Gentlemen v Players. This is professional sport and they play to win. 

Just like England played to the rules during the Bodyline series of 1932-33, that prompted telegrams from the Australian Government to their British counterparts calling England (MCC) 'Unsportsmanlike'.

Douglas Jardine's leg theory to nullify Bradman was sharp good cricket and it definitely wasn't Gentlemen v Players back then either, but upon their return to England after successfully regaining the Ashes, all within the rules of the time, Jardine was relieved of the captaincy and Harold Larwood, the fastest bowler in the world was never picked for England again!