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win at deepdale? I think pigs would have to fly first 

10 minutes ago, The dastardly red said:

 

I think it's just one of those things people say.  

It’s the sort of thing people who think ‘the woke brigade’ have ‘gone too far’ say sarcastically in an attempt to derisive usually

11 minutes ago, Coombsy said:

It’s against human rights apparently 

Well clearly it’s not considering it’s done at other clubs 

1 hour ago, chinapig said:

If they blame Morris they will be blaming themselves. After all this is a fanbase that cheered him on because he was apparently too clever for the EFL.

They are not going to admit they were either conned, stupid or both so they will plough on with their victim mentality to avoid the truth.

Any sympathy I had has dissipated because of their arrogant attitude.

You’re both right of course I suppose I just thought that the mounting evidence would prove to much but I clearly not!

They seem to be a classic case of cognitive dissonance (which I had to google because I never quite trust my grasp on it as a concept): 

 To deal with the apparent dissonance (where a cult leaders claims had been disproven), cult members denied or rationalized away the evidence and then desperately sought new followers to support the face-saving reinterpretation of the situation

Obviously the research is on cults & quotes from an article on political dissonance but it seems very fitting! Especially if you see the way they’re now sharing their petition, trying to get MPs involved, etc it all seems to fit. 
 

My sympathy is definitely tempered that’s for sure, there’s definitely those out there who haven’t been like that but from what I’ve seen on social media (and again I don’t go out to find out what Derby fans think so I doubt I’m representative) it’s very few, I think I can only think of the one that I’ve interacted with who’s been introspective about the whole thing 

Edit: I don’t know why the text is so massive but I’m a technophobe and apparently can’t change it! 

18 minutes ago, billywedlock said:

Not sure why Derby fans are not petitioning Mel Morris. He can solve all of the crap he created and avoid liquidation and pay HMRC in the process. They will then just have Boro and WW to worry about. 

Well if he gave even half a c**p they wouldn't be in this position in the first place you'd imagine but yes he's the one they should be focusing on 

On 15/01/2022 at 14:46, Mr Popodopolous said:

I would like Derby to survive and I feel sympathy with a reasonable chunk of the fans but shit like this tempers it!

At a time where we are having to pay more in NI from April, HMRC will be looking for more tax from the rest of us- well!?

The optics are not good, not least as a Melvyn Morris appeared to have donated to the Tories in 2017- albeit seems to be a one off and could be a different Melvyn Morris from Derbyshire. Unsurprisingly though, the political lobbying or calls are a thing. Beckett is Labour however,

Also what have the internal EFL Regulations which Derby signed up to got to do with her and other MPs- I understand the desperation but the shift the blame culture from a significant minority of Derby fans, leaves a real bad taste.

I also believe that the £8m out of £28m figure floated was no coincidence- because EFL regs state 25% minimum for unsecured creditors- if it went to court, I assume Derby/Quantuma would be seeking a cross class cram down which can be imposed upon classes of creditors, just above that threshold but not prohibitively so- and a hefty write-down all the same. If HMRC had accepted that or do accept that then other Unsecured Creditors would have to accept the same- Football Creditors aside- just enough to avoid the 15 pts next season?

I can understand being desperate and going to anyone you can for help anywhere, but if a Labour MP were to actually advocate for companies/'the rich' (because whislt it may not technically be MM's liability its his mess and he could surely trump up the bill if he is indeed worth ~500m) not having to pay taxes then at that point whats the point in the party? I know Labour has changed/is changing a lot in recent(ish - ok 20 odd!) years but that still goes against everything the party stands for. Even at the hight of New Labour and convergence with Thatcherism/lite Mandelson still had his - we don't care if people get filthy stinking rich, just as long as they pay their taxes.  Theres little an MP/The Govt can really do anyway since yes its got nothing to do with either an individual opposition MP or the government. 

I agree on the blame shifting too, obviosuly there's the 'efl on strings' comments but I agree with some others they can ultimately be taken as banter and they don't make the potential sinking of Derby in any way palatable but I do think it's rich complaining about fair treatment when they in essence didn't treat much of the rest (or at least those who adhered to the rules) of the league with fairness. 

I also cannot comprehend the lack of blame aimed at Morris, I know when this was unravelling a few months ago they did start to place the blame at his door, slowly began to lift some of the wool from their eyes, but it seems now none of them really mention him? I don't go out of my way to interact with Derby fans or find what theyre thinking and I'm only friends with a few so perhaps I'm simply missing it but theres anger at the efl, and the admins (though even that seems to be dying down now?) but none/hardly any for Morris. I can't understand why they're not furious  with him. It's like the admins have managed to put up such a sustained propaganda campaign they believe it? Or simply want to believe it perhaps since I refuse to believe that many people are that easily distracted/swayed from something. Then again, 'accountability' wouldn't be a word I would associate with any of the last few years of this country so I shouldn't be surprised. 

I realistically am far too busy to go anyway but the price put me off too, my man utd season ticket holding family told me that for ST holders they don’t pay more than the pro-rata price for any other domestic game for cup games, or at least not early round ones anyway. If that was the case maybe I’d be going but alas it looks like it’s going to be pretty empty 

Given there’s a current shortage of rapid tests surely that must be throwing a logistical spanner in the works as well? 

2 hours ago, I'm Sparti-Bob said:

I might have missed it amongst the arguments, but why on earth would anyone (adult or child) bring raw eggs to a football match? 

it’s Christmas, maybe they wanted some half time/post match eggnog? (no but really if it was a raw egg that seems ridiculous, surely not) 

1 hour ago, paul_fox said:

I expect there's lots of older people who would be interested in training to be a nurse or something else in the NHS but can't afford to quit their full time job and take out loans and grants for 3-4 years. There has to be an easier way to make it viable for the average person. 

my best friends mum was a nurse, had time off to have her kids, now they’re grown up you need a degree to be a nurse, as she had too much time off she no longer counts as qualified and she can’t afford to spend 3 years at university training to become one, it’s so gutting for her she loved that job and she was a great nurse but it’s just not feasible. I’m sure there’s plenty more like her too. 

I used to have this issue taking the bus & train, I used to say at 15/16 what ID am I going to have? I don’t have a driving license obviously, no ones going to let a teenager run around with their passport + loads don’t have one anyway. I’d imagine if they have an u-19 ticket it should be easier but otherwise I guess they’ll have to take peoples word for it? Definitely could be some fun conversations (although if the application of the scanners is anything to go by perhaps not..)

20 minutes ago, gl2 said:

Investment is in fact going on at this very moment, certainly in Gloucester and no doubt in many other places. It is bed availabilty in some cases but we could have a million empty beds without enough nurses/docs they are useless.

So we train up more docs/nurses then what, we have to be one of the highest pay`ers in the world to keep them here.

Then who pays? we do in the end, so maybe best investing in our own Med Care via private health insurance is the way to go? no idea on cost, prob a packet of fags a week?

 

 

obviously each country’s system is different but my medication that I’ll be on for life costs me the prescription fee here, in the USA it costs my friends $300ish per prescription and they have medical insurance, I’m not sure I could ever back that, worth noting the USA also spends about double per capita on health care than us, France, Netherlands etc (all who have different systems).
We don’t have to be the highest payers in the world if we can provide quality of life, work life balance etc that you get when you have more doctors & nurses, of course it’s very difficult to train as either of those especially a doctor so it’s much easier said than done, but making it harder for people to come over and be a nurse (it doesn’t really apply to doctors the visa rules makes that easier) probably isn’t going to help, mind you I’m aware that’s flying a bit close to the line on politics which I don’t really want to spend my evening whinging about so I’ll shut up now! 

3 hours ago, steviestevieneville said:

It’s one thing people being cautious about tomorrow as it’s so near Christmas & none of us want another one ruined. 
As to should the game be played , 100% yes. Millions of us are triple jabbed now & I can’t see what else we can do tbh. There are still imo selfish morons ( the world doesn’t revolve around you )  who won’t get jabbed & if they did it would help massively . However it doesn’t stop you getting it just reduces the severity . Life has to go on as normal as possible imo. 
The new variant is alarming more contagious but it appears to be much milder in effect . I certainly don’t have the answers but as I’ve said we have to get on with it . 
I really do feel for people with underlying health issues though , it must be a nightmare. 

A mates dad works at Gloucestershire Royal Hospital and has told us that all of the covid patients in intensive care are unvaccinated, believe there’s a BBC article that says 80% hospitalisations/ITU admissions (I can’t quite remember) are not at all vaccinated, yet people are still sharing their conspiracy nonsense about the vaccine & claiming they’ve caused a communist take over 

16 minutes ago, slartibartfast said:

Why don't all these pod casters (OSIB, FBC, 3Peeps etc) do vlogs (where you can see them?) much more interesting .

different ‘market’ I guess, podcasts you can put on Spotify and play in the car or whatnot a vlog you can’t, I can’t get on with podcasts I can’t just sit and listen to something and in the car I’d rather just play music (I like having my own personal concert in there) but I know lots of people who love them and have several that they listen to religiously so I suppose it’s just what people like make and consume 

55 minutes ago, Colombo Robin said:

 

......where in briz i can get a quick pcr done? Planning to fly in from Spain next friday lunchtime to go to the game on Saturday with mates. Boris has thrown a spanner in the works today. Need a really quick turn around on the result to make kick off. 

Nuffield health have/had a place at bristol airport, not sure if they do the quick PCR tests but I have a feeling they did the ones you can get back in a few hours 

Under 18s aren’t allowed to serve alcohol so how are they allowed to have college age kids ‘volunteering’? Or are they higher education?

I generally don’t have an issue but I definitely noticed it on Saturday and struggled with it whilst it was gloomy, seemed to be ok for me once it got properly dark but maybe I just got used to it 

I met Marinovic at a Phoenix game I went to, decent fun but easily the worst standard of football I’ve seen in a long time (I’m sure that’ll be challenged when I make it to my non-league local in a few weeks mind). 
 

Think I was feeling gobby and young at the time (also jet lagged if that’s an excuse) and asked him some questions about LJ, Bristol etc that he basically didn’t answer, the kiwis around I recall found the whole thing quite bemusing. 

It also was my first experience of VAR. 

None of his goal kicks made it into the stands but that was helped my the whole ‘playing in a cricket ground’ thing

FFP for us, and also Rugby is cheaper (salary cap) + there are very rarely transfer fees in rugby, players move when out of contract, the only exception I can think of (bearing in mind I don’t really ‘do’ rugby’ so there may be others) is George Ford moving early with a (relatively) small amount of compensation paid 

Public transport especially our trains are truly a shambles, only in NZ was it worse where you basically have to fly anywhere to get anywhere on time if you’re not driving (or even if you are driving tbh). Countries across Europe certainly differ in quality, functionality and price but I most recently went from Berlin to Wrocław for ~€30, the train from Copenhagen to Malmö iirc was about 70-80dkk I remember thinking ‘oh a touch pricey’ before I remembered the exchange rate, it’s about £8, and also Rotterdam to Groningen (other side of the country) is showing as €27.40 right now on the NS app, not forgetting the fact that you can use the chipkaart on buses trams and trains which is SO convenient I was almost tempted to live there just for that (not really of course but the novelty of being able to get public transport easily was huge).
Conversely I actually can’t get the train to Sheffield United because someone thought having it at 12:30 on a Sunday would be a good idea and of course with Sunday service, nothing would get me there on time. Solution? Drive I suppose, it would also be cheaper than the ~£100 the tickets appeared to be when I briefly checked. 
At least Manchester has some good trams though. 
Edit: I’m obviously not saying that NZ is the only country that’s worse simply of all the places I’ve tried to use public transport consistently & not just as a tourist getting airport buses/taxis

56 minutes ago, phantom said:

Something intriguing going on, club now saying no presser scheduled - but person who messaged me has been spot on about everything else in the past 12-18 months or so...

perhaps it’s a colleen rooney style move to try and figure out who’s leaking what, 

its……… 

2 hours ago, RedM said:

For the number there we weren't that noisy on the whole, but there was not that much to insipre us. It only got really toxic after we let in their last goal which was pretty much the final whistle, thats when fans let rip

Definitely was quiet but not really surprising all things considered, for me it felt like brum was noticeably more toxic, possibly partly because more of the players came over after brum so there was a target? whereas even those who did come over today weren’t particularly close/didn’t really stay long bar COD for all that he divides (or doesnt…) opinion 

On 27/10/2021 at 16:33, HitchinRed said:

I’m really not sure whether this thread:

a) reassures gays that they can talk about their sexuality openly, or

b) dissuades gays from ‘coming out’ because they’ll know it’ll become the topic of conversation.

I’m from the viewpoint, that a person’s sexuality really doesn’t matter, and shouldn’t be a talking point. The fact this has become the subject of a thread is disappointing.

Perhaps I can give my perspective as one of ‘the gays’ then, 

it’s obviously largely down to individuals of course but everyone would know it would be a taking point, and whilst you would be aware that people would react negatively (I would say even in this day and age but homophobic hate crime and instances of ‘gay bashing’ for example are on the rise) you would also know just how much the representation matters to young gay people not just in football but in sport and sometimes just in life to see a successful openly gay person being openly gay in an environment where it’s very difficult to be so - that also for everyone asking why it matters is why it matters. 
If you don’t care, great, but to any potentially closeted kids it potentially means the world, it potentially means they’ll stay in football because they realise actually it can be for people like them. That’s why it matters and that’s why it’s a talking point. Yes one day you’d hope for it to be a non-event as for example it generally is in women’s sport (but then a whole load of other stereotypes apply there to explain why that’s the case beyond of course the difference in media coverage) but that is sadly a long way off. 

19 hours ago, grifty said:

Why would a country/state want to own a football club anyway? Let alone one 4000 miles away.

There’s a huge amount of soft power in owning a football club, it’s a huge legitimiser as well. The same applies to for example hosting formula 1 races.