Boring Sag

Truly curious what a lot of you think. Martin has now scored 15 in 20 starts (25 games played), a goal every 120 minutes. Meanwhile Clarke-Harris has only 6 goals in 14 starts (24 games played for Peterborough). Do people think that Rovers' huge oopsie moment at the end of the August window might have ended up being very favourable (Martin outperforming JCH and signing for free, wouldn't have happened if JCH had signed and saved iirc £750k), or do you think that it's a lot more complex than that (Martin performing well now but overall play iffy, 35 years old so we might rely on him next season and he might not perform, JCH's poor performances hugely impacted by having to stay and big confidence shot etc.)

2 hours ago, GrahamC said:

It does seem bizarre to go into the rest of the season with more loan players than you can actually use.

Still apparently their fans were celebrating having a goalkeeper today who is their own player.

Weird lot.

20 year old homegrown lad from Bristol drops two great performances in goal, is that really “celebrating having a goalkeeper today who is their own player”?

25 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

No but they have signed a Costa Rican midfield player on loan from Forest. How many loanees do they have now?  What's the limit in a match day squad?

5 limit in match day squad. We have 6 loans. Max you can have is 8, 4 from one club. We had 5 earlier in the season but the two midfielders went back to respective clubs, one of which has now gone to Exeter on loan. We now have a goalkeeper, two CBs, two midfielders and a LB/LW on loan. Main difference is we now have an extra CB on loan 

1 hour ago, 22A said:

The notices are in Polish and German. A few years ago a Rovers fan on holiday in Poland visited the museum at Auschwitz. When he came out he had a photo taken of himself holding a flag "Aushwitz Gas" posted on gaschat.

Perhaps this is the same person.

This is insane, as is the photo. If it is the same person it’s odd because I’m sure he got criticism before, so is he doing this to own the lefties if so?

2 hours ago, Bazooka Joe said:

God, you really are boring.

Why you on here?

Got no mates?

I wonder why?

 

Why so cranky? No Christmas spirit?

3 hours ago, Charlie BCFC said:

It’s a good run of form and do think you look a lot better under Taylor, top half as you said is a possibility although think you’re too far off the playoffs to make a dent this season. What I will say though is anything can happen in a new managers bounce it’s whether you can sustain it. Yes you beat the top 2 in incredible results but you’ve also dropped points at home to Cheltenham and lost to Crawley in the EFL trophy 

Oh for sure, hell, we looked fairly good the first couple games under Tisdale! I don't think that this is any indication we're going to be in the playoff-race or anything, I mean maybe if we'd have beaten Blackpool away I'd be buying into the hype more. 

5 hours ago, Wanderingred said:

I have absolutely no idea about the last time we beat the two teams who were 1st and 2nd at Christmas because it’s not a statistic that any normal football fan would take note of.

Consider this for context though. In the 2012-13 season, we comfortably beat Cardiff (champions), Watford (3rd and playoff finalists) and Crystal Palace (playoff winners) at Ashton Gate. Our finishing position that season? Dead last and relegated. We weren’t crowing like a bunch of weirdos for beating two promoted teams were we?

I also remember beating both our promotion challengers QPR and Plymouth at home in the space of a week, yet we ended up missing out on promotion, so the boast was meaningless and would have been met with ridicule.

Your fanbase are strange and deluded. You clutch at really odd straws in order to try and get one over us. A bigger percentage of your home crowds travel away than us? Just means your home support is rubbish. Your ground is fuller than our in terms of capacity? Just means your ground is a little shoebox. This is just another meaningless dig that is quite frankly hilarious.

 

You don't think that if in the next 3 games City played and beat both Leicester and Ipswich the fans' reaction would be "eh, whatever, who cares?" Of course it wouldn't. It's not a trophy but it's a relatively good achievement for us. As for the 2012-13 season, I do think it matters that Rovers aren't dead-last. Shock horror but I don't believe Rovers fans should be equally happy with beating the top two teams in the league once if that was the only two wins of the entire season and we finished on 6 points. 

Again I didn't say we were in for a promotion charge, but I don't think it's ridiculous Rovers fans are getting their hopes up given that we seem to have demonstrated we're able to beat the best teams in this league. Frankly, we're too inconsistent to go up. 

Also it's not a boast, we can look objectively and say if X team did Y thing for the first time in a long time and Y is a good thing than that's fairly impressive. I don't care to boast, I was just replying to people who were saying it wasn't impressive or noteworthy at all

3 hours ago, glynriley said:

Might be worth pointing out to @Boring Sag the last time we were in the 3rd division, it would have been difficult to beat top of the league, because for the majority of the season, it was us. 
 

Also worth asking when they beat any 2 sides in the second tier, let alone the top 2. 
Hint: If you’re not in your 30’s you’d have missed it. 

I don't judge City and Rovers by the same standard. Nor should you.

5 hours ago, cityal said:

Oh looky here - a few wins and BS comes out of hiding again!

Sorry, I must have missed the communication from the EFL, but Is there now some speical trophy awarded for wining matches against the top 2 in a season? Is it actually more relevant at the end of the season than victories against the (randomly chosen) 7th and 18th placed teams if you don't actually win promotion?

I think it's probably just the case that your poxy club has absolutrely nothing that matters better than its equivalent at Bristol City and you and your fellow gasheads constantly try and search for any angle to make yourselves still seem relevant. Always in our shadow.

The last time I checked the league table included ALL results, and the fewers are still 9 points outside the playoff spots despite their good recent form. But fine, knock yourself out, go ahead and crank one out while deluding yourself into thinking this the year you get promoted. You will be back to getting rinsed by massive clubs like Exeter, Burton and Fleetwood soon.

 

Hey listen I comment in here when I read something I disagree with. When we lose we get made fun of and I agree with all that is said! So I tend to reply when we've done something fairly well and it's downplayed or we're told we're completely unreasonable to be happy in any way. 

As for trophies, it's not like either of us are stacked in that category, minus the Pizza cup. 

3 points are 3 points but I don't think it's unreasonable for Rovers to beat the top 2 teams at Christmas in a relatively short-time period and be happy about it. 

As for Bristol City, some people feel this way; and a lot of you seem to. The reason why I said Championship and not League 1, which would be an equivalent achievement; is that I don't think City and Rovers are on the same level in basically any department. So why would I judge them by the same standards? Should Bournemouth and Newcastle fans have been equally happy to be promoted to the Premier League? Is that an equally impressive achievement? No, of course not. 

As for the league table, I said nothing of the league table except the fact I said I don't think we'll make playoffs. 

8 hours ago, TV Tom said:

In 1977 we beat Liverpool, Man Utd, Arsenal (home and away) Spurs & Leeds to stay up in the top flight  ‘ave some of that

And that is impressive, although that is almost 47 years ago, so it's not the same as a relatively successful feat from a week ago.

11 hours ago, Wanderingred said:

I have no idea where their laughably blind optimism is coming from. It’s not as if they are even on a particularly good run. They’re so weird.

In the last 4 games Rovers have won 3 times, two of which were against the top 2. I'm not going to be the one to overhype us, I think we'll finish somewhere in the 8th-12th range, but here's a question. If winning a league game each against the top 2 (let's presume Portsmouth and Bolton finish top 2 for now, but right now it's comparative) isn't particularly noteworthy, when was the last time City did it in the Championship (hint: or equivalent before...)

On 05/12/2023 at 19:52, Tinmans Love Child said:

By which you mean back to the Prem!

Yeah that’s a weird one. Failed at Middlesbrough and Watford after gets sacked there and gets the same job? Weird appointment. Reminds me of when Dean Smith failed at Norwich then got the Leicester job for some reason. 

17 hours ago, Rob said:

Joey is all over the news sites. Must make them prowed their ex manager is so popular

Saw he did an interview with Piers Morgan, but I couldn’t actually tell from the clips where they actually disagreed? They seemed to both be making anti-women commentator nonsense points

6 hours ago, Marcus Aurelius said:

@Boring Sag has a point to be honest, neither manager has much of a track record to go on, only difference is we sacked Pearson to go with this man and they got rid of a convict (2 years too late may I add).There’s an argument that Manning is more progressive and his style of football has more potential to work further up the pyramid but that’s just guess work for now. We still have literally every other aspect of football on and off the pitch to laugh at them about though.

Yeah I generally agree. I like certain managers in the lower leagues so when they get better jobs I'm quite happy about it. I liked Ian Evatt when he was at Barrow for instance, and was a long-time fan of Chris Wilder, but he's gone off the deep end it seems. I also liked Russell Martin, and for everything I've said about Manning, he did significantly outperform Martin at MK Dons in his first season. 

4 hours ago, CiderJar said:

This fkwit Boring Sag is really living up to his name, isn't he?

I’d rather be a bit boring than be so angry and upset about a person on the internet that I insult them unprovoked because they like a different set of 11 men in shorts chasing around a ball with their feet and disagree with them on their opinions, though I guess with no justification as to why :laugh:

2 hours ago, GreedyHarry said:

Oh ok, so you are either proved right, or proved not wrong. Time to put you on ignore as you use far too many words to say nothing.

I don't know whether you are purposefully or unintentionally misrepresenting me, but I'll presume the latter. I never said I could be proved right. I said the statements I made can neither be proven right nor wrong.

Because I'm not talking about how they WILL end up, I'm talking about their CVs. It's not something you can prove wrong by Manning do well.

For instance, who looks like the more promising player; Endrick or Alex Scott? 

The answer to me is definitely Endrick. Now, imagine Endrick in a game tomorrow has a career-ending injury, he never plays football again. Does that mean I was wrong? No, promise doesn't always lead to actualised potential, Ravel Morrison demonstrated that. But Endrick would have still been the more promising player. Similar here, Manning could be the next Howe, I'm purely making statements about their CV. You can disagree with me critiquing Manning's CV, but Manning doing well wouldn't mean I was wrong. Just like Manning doing badly wouldn't prove me right. 

2 hours ago, Sheltons Army said:

 

Completely deluded Sag.    #shock

You've highlighted the first part, where I'm talking about Manning, and the second part, where I'm referring to Robinson. I didn't say Rovers could have got Manning.

2 hours ago, luke_bristol said:

There was no way Manning would leave Oxford for Rovers FFS

If Barton had gotten sacked last January, before Manning took the Oxford job, Manning could've very easily been Rovers manager. Manning of course has high value cus he did a decent job at Oxford, whereas Taylor's just gotten sacked. But I don't think there is a difference really between the two based on their CVs. Which has nothing to do really with whether X manager would join Y team.

2 hours ago, petehinton said:

So winning league two, and having 10 games at championship level, is better than being regarded as one of the best young coaches in England, getting 89 points in league one, and leaving a languishing, relegation threatened side in second in league one about 12 months later? It’s widely known why MK Dons fell apart the next season - and by the way, still got relegated under the new man after he left, with loads of points still to play for. Hardly a blot on him. 
 

Don’t get me wrong, I wouldn’t have sacked Pearson for him either - but I can understand the logic behind it, in roundabout ways. 

Is he regarded as one of the best young coaches in England? By what metric? I'm not trying to be snarky I'm genuinely asking because idk if he'd make my top 10. 

Oxford were clearly underperforming pretty massively, probably down to lethargy due to Robinson being there for so long, it happens. I imagine most managers would have kept them up. And yes MK Dons still got relegated, but I don't think that really means anything it could just be that they hired a worse manager than Manning. It's always struck me as silly when a team, I'll give an example, Ole at United, people pointed to the previous bad performances of managers performing as a justification for structural issues. And whilst those structural issues did exist for sure, it's also possible to replace a bad manager with another bad manager, and keeping a bad manager just because you have those structural issues I don't think will solve anything. 

As for Edwards I think look if he'd absolutely shit the bed at Watford then maybe but he was like 9th. Really not that poor of a performance, so a team like Luton that seemed to be wanting to take a chance on a young manager with potential who in all honesty had been treated poorly by his last club before being sacked even when not underperforming (reminds me of all the times Darren Moore got sacked), seems like a gamble worth taking. Sometimes those don't pay off, Nathan Jones is a weird one for instance he seems to be a good manager, but only for Luton :laugh:. Garner another one I remember when we got him there were a number of coaches and players talking about how much promise he had, he was awful! Sometimes you get Rob Edwards and Michael Beales other times you get Ben Garners and Frank Lampards. To be clear I don't think I'll be proven wrong if Manning does amazingly, we're just talking about CVs here. I imagine with the young players he'll do okay, seems to have a good style too. 

2 hours ago, transfer reader said:

Manning had most of his key players at MK D*ns sold

Telling half a story is as dishonest as telling a false story.

 

Now go back to your sister, you 6 fingered freak.

"Most of his key players"

They sold two players. If you make your own team that reliant on two players that without those two players you go from third to relegation, then to me that's a sign of poor management and not an excuse. 

In addition, it's not like he was playing with 9 players. They signed replacements. No they didn't splash the cash but Twine wasn't a big buy anyway.

53 minutes ago, petehinton said:

By that strange logic, Rob Edwards shouldn’t have got the Luton job, Woodgate shouldn’t have got the Boro job, McKenna shouldn’t have got the Ipswich job, Mousinho shouldn’t have got the Pompey job…..the list goes on and on. 
 

Taylor is the best you could’ve got by a distance, but by no means not an excellent appointment, apart from the fact he’s probably on the biggest wage you’ve ever paid a manager in your history. I see he’s not been allowed to bring in his own men, for now anyway, that’s not gonna help him in any way at all. 

Rob Edwards took over a Forest Green team and in his first and only season there won the league with them. Comfortably too (the points toll doesn't indicate it but they went on a fairly poor run after promotion was secured). He then went to Watford where, let's be honest; it's Watford. Being sacked there is so shockingly common that it borders on cliche and I wonder why managers would even go there. Luton seemed like a sensible move. To be clear one of Manning's distinguished points from Edwards is precisely the fact he was sacked by MK Dons. He has a pretty big blip on his record. If his first and only season he finished 2nd with Oxford he should be rated highly. And the most shocking thing about it for me is Pearson was gotten rid of for him! 

2 hours ago, transfer reader said:

A little bit better than Robinson?

I suppose thats one way to compare 2nd to the relegation zone.

Just because the clubs are rivals isn't an excuse to be dishonest.

I personally don't really rate Taylor, but mostly from not knowing lots about him.

I won't try and diminish what he did with Exeter as a way to make him sound crap. He took over a side that was a playoff side in league 2 and got them up

At Rotherham he was a club that yo-yos between the Championship and the little leagues, most people would have expected them to be in a relegation fight and they are. But arguably doing worse than people would have thought being 7 points adrift of a crap Huddersfield side.

He's now at a poxy club filled with pensioners on high wages so will need to use all of his acumen to get your lot sorted for next season.

It's not dishonest at all, especially given that was his 5th season at the club. Where every season he finished above where he picked the club up from. They had a poor season for sure, Manning's job at MK Dons is arguably worse because he picked them up at a higher point, and got sacked at a lower point. 

Manning's job at Oxford and Taylor's job at Exeter respectively are very similar for their respective levels. The only difference is that Manning never actually achieved anything because he left less than a third into the league season. And frankly, he was extremely backed at Oxford. Taylor got Exeter back in League 1 for the first time in 10 years and left Exeter in 11th, which just to be clear would've been Exeter's second-highest finish ever. He shouldn't get full credit for that like Manning shouldn't at Oxford though, to be clear.

1 hour ago, GrahamC said:

I never said “huge difference”.

I said I would pick Manning over Taylor.

Your characterisation of his record at Oxford when compared to Robinson is laughable.

Robinson took over Oxford when they were in 16th place. He then finished 12th, 4th, 6th, and 8th. So Oxford being in 2nd place only a third into the season wasn't unparalleled territory. Manning probably did a better job than Robinson but given where he picked them up from, it's not that much better.

15 hours ago, GrahamC said:

So your logic here presumably then is you would have been delighted if Pearson’s replacement was a bloke sacked after a 5-0 defeat that left them 4 points adrift of safety in our division?

Ok then.

 

I'm going to be real, Taylor has some blips on his record. But Manning took over a team that was in 13th place, got them to 3rd, and then the following season left them in the relegation zone. He then took over an underperforming Oxford and was doing a little bit better than Robinson had done, someone who it seems Rovers could have gotten if they'd wanted but opted for Taylor, and left them doing well less than a third of the way into the season.

I have no idea how you could possibly look at their CVs and think it highlights some huge difference in quality. Frankly, yes it's better than when you guys were 1-3 odds for Lampard, but realistically Manning's gotten a way better job than I think he deserves based on the very-limited CV. 

1 hour ago, Gazred said:

About to name their new manager this afternoon apparently...

Apparently it's Matt Taylor. What are people's thoughts?

19 hours ago, Club and Country said:

Nope no link, just a fact at time of posting

Seems a bit odd. A manager who gets promotion from League 2, moves clubs gets promoted to Championship and then gets sacked when that club is 22nd wouldn't be a completely unrealistic option for a club in 10th in League 1 looking for playoffs. 

25 minutes ago, Club and Country said:

As it stands, Taylor is not interested in that job , not to say that can't change of course 

Link to whoever said this?