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Surprised Barton's the odds-on favourite for the Burnley job, maybe spurred on by the Edwards to Watford deal? Plus with the trial ongoing surely simply so risky to sign the bloke?

7 hours ago, slartibartfast said:

'ere, how comes you know so much about these"players"? I wouldn't have a clue who they are or how many games they've played (excepting Porky Pitman, of course ). I reckon you're a secret fewer ...get 'im, lads !  

As I have mentioned many-a times my father is gas, a lot of my family is gas; so I follow them closely and talk a lot with them about their players and vice versa, but I support City. It's so weird that when anyone knows more about them lot than mental gymnastics, or when they do something relatively impressive, or simply "hur dur Rovers bad" they're immediately accused of supporting them for some reason  There's many of them on this thread if I was one I would just simply say so.

11 hours ago, NcnsBcfc said:

All really valid points made in the last few days by all of the posters.

The major point or reckoning for the Gas moving into League 1 from my perspective is that really they have no team to start the next season with? They've only signed Belshaw and Hoole to new deals. Evans & Nicholson have refused new contracts and will have better offers i'm sure. 

By way of their squad for next season, in a higher division they are:-

- Losing 2 of their top 3 goal scorers (Evans, and Anderson)

- 3 of their top 4 assisters (Evans, Anderson ,Thomas).

- Both CB's are off (Taylor, and Connolly)

So by way of either loans or 1 year contracts ending potentially leaving are:-

Evans

Nicholson

Elliott Anderson

Clarke

Thomas

Pittman

Coutts

Rodman

Whelan

Spence

Harries

Jakkola

Brown

Connolly

Taylor

So JB from my reckoning will have to completely rebuild a team in a higher division in which they will be paupers compared to some other teams. Any continuity from this promotion season will be lost, and like this season will take time to remould the team into an effective unit. 

A number of these may stay of course, but they were bought for L2 football, L1 is a very different ball game.

I think the Rovers fans should adjust their expectations for next season accordingly. Who knows what sort of team they will put out for that first game on the 30th July???

 

 

Just naming all the players that have a chance at leaving isn't really good analysis no? I get they're shite and all that, but Pitman, Brown, Harries and Spence haven't played for them in months. Coutts looks to have signed a new deal, Evans will likely sign a new deal. Connolly's contract is up. Jaakkola seems to be extremely injure prone. Whelan's a backup. Rodman I don't believe has played all season. Similar to Clarke. For EFL levels it really isn't an extraordinary rebuild. And I'd put money on given the success of Taylor and Anderson, if they don't go back there (which btw not just dumb sags it seems Newcastle Chronicle reporters are saying that he should go back there on loan) then you'd imagine Rovers would be a prime club for people to want to given the success of those two. 

4 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

Yes, I personally don’t think there’s anything remotely iffy about Scunthorpe fielding a ridiculously weak side when promotion for Rovers would benefit the Iron financially...no siree   

Who knows? 

Personally I don’t particularly care that Rovers are back where they were 12 months ago despite what the Gas sympathisers on here think. I’m only surprised they didn’t do it more convincingly considering the players Wife beat...I mean Joey was allowed to bring in.

They started this multiple games ago though? I'd agree if it was suddenly for this one game, but it's been for multiple games. Plus the promotion clause will most likely only be enough to buy a burger and chips at the local 

The people on this thread implying it was rigged, it's not a good look you numpties! All you're doing is providing the sags with ammunition when it will evidently come out that the game wasn't rigged.

Shocker: Rovers signed a Scunthorpe player when they were 17th! Considering Scunthorpe have played with their kids for a number of games, the insinuation that it's dodgy despite the fact that they've played like this for many games is just a bad look. Rovers came from 3-1 behind to win 4-3 away at Rochdale last week; yet no Rochdale players signed for Rovers with a promotion clause, which let's be honest is probably peanuts it's the gas after all.

The fact is, it's a bad look for many people to be saying "it was rigged!" because what they should be saying is we don't give a ****. They finished below a club whose literal thing is they are the "vegan" club. We're clear of them

I want to echo some sentiments of congratulatory feelings towards them. Although I do think some focuses on the quality of the Scunthorpe team is a bit OTT; yes they played youngsters but it wasn't a one-off occasion; they've been doing it the last couple of games, and they've been getting relatively decent results, and they're not the first team to do it: I remember Leyton Orient doing it a couple seasons ago. Also worth pointing out that it's not like the last game is worth more, they got 3 points today and 3 points in September when they won. When Bolton were going bankrupt I remember them playing their youngsters early into the League One season, they were getting battered and then all of a sudden they got cleared and on deadline day signed a TONNE of players, they still went down but they weren't getting battered every week, I thought that was probably more unfair but that's just football I guess. They subbed off their LB early on because apparently he was just getting rinsed for fun. 

I also want to echo some testaments about I wish the rivalry was less hostile and more competitive. Personally, I like having a nice, top-quality Bristol derby. If Rovers are just shit (or to hear some they want them to go bust!) it's just a bit odd to me. My now-deceased step-father was a massive City fan through and through, unfortunately the last game he watched for us was the Hull game before he died. Him and my father, who's a sag, got along very well. Unfortunately since the 80s the rivalry has just soured so much it's crazy looking back. This isn't a dig at our fans, because they've definitely got a lot of pricks. Just wish they were better because I love the derby!

8 hours ago, BS4 on Tour... said:

Haven’t they got those two young centre backs on loan though? From Cardiff and Stoke? So they aren’t their own players anyway? I could be wrong ...

Connolly's contract up in the summer, will be interesting if Cardiff go for a new deal or if Barton can persuade him to join

6 hours ago, Silvio Dante said:

I think this is quite relevant. The catalyst for their improvement appears to have been Elliott Anderson from Newcastle. There is no way he’s going on loan to L1 next year, and if they do it’s more likely to be one of the big boys at that level such as a Weds or (yes) Ipswich.

The loanee from Stoke (Connor Taylor) has been again getting great reviews. Can easily see Stoke trying to ease him into their squad next year.

I also think they’ve got at least one more. But replacing two key players is not going to be easy.

I think calling him the catalyst is a bit much, given Rovers were in the top 3 in the form table from the end of October to when he signed on deadline day in January. I doubt he'd go back on loan to Rovers next season anyway, but it seems they have first refusal on a loan in League One next season as a clause in the deal; but given there's been interest from Millwall I doubt it. 

Taylor's interesting, feel like Stoke might want another season to wait for Jagielka to ease out, who's a regular at the minute, I wouldn't necessarily downplay clubs focusing on development by seeing how they perform at the next level and by keeping them in a stable environment, know some Rovers mates who've spoken to his dad who goes to all the games, and says he's enjoying his time there, as hard as I find  that to believe given it's Rovers, you never know. Especially as the place has a good atmosphere at the moment, they've been on frankly unbelievable form for the league since the end of October (think they're 1st in that form table) and wouldn't be surprised if Stoke went "loan him till January to see if the momentum continues."

Connolly's interesting, my mate Mark told me Barton was apparently interested in him before he joined Rovers, and his contract's up in the summer. Could join Rovers.

All seems more indicative of having a manager who, whatever you think of his scummy activities, is a notable player with connections; even if they lose these 3 I wouldn't expect them to suffer extremely, given momentum and the fact some of their permanent signings e.g. Evans, Finley have caused quite a stir too.

Of course if they don't go up you never know, I think the biggest person they'd probably want to keep is Barton though, I feel like without Barton Anderson doesn't happen.

5 hours ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

Purely out of interest....why are you scouring other clubs Internet forums just to find out how ‘highly rated’ their latest Sunday League clogger is?

 

Because the inbred knobs hype up every player they sign, only player I can remember them being mortified over signing, ironically, was Clarke-Harris! Usually I'm just interested and want to see how much they've overhyped them, gives me good ammunition with gas mates when they sign a well rated player and he massively underperforms or when they sign a stinker who inevitably stinks the place out. 

23 minutes ago, Banned User said:

 

People said that last year too

Tbf to the sags, I usually check their players based on forums of other clubs, from what I can remember the initial reactions from fans for their signings last season, in comparison to how they ended up playing, based on one or two sag mates was the following:

Grant: Meh, better in midfield than defence. Seemed to fulfill that, couple shockers but generally just fine.

Baldwin: Sunderland fans hated him basically, very error-prone, fulfilled that at the sags

Ehmer: Rated highly by Gillingham fans, awful at the sags, lost his place in the team after being made captain (says a lot given how shite they were)

Nicholson: Generally unknown. From all accounts the sags' best player last season.

Ayunga: Goal record said it all beforehand and was apparently ass, which is to be expected when you sign a player who only 2 years beforehand scored something like 1 in 4 in the Conference.

Westbrooke: Rated by Coventry, underperformed at Rovers but got better apparently

Tutonda: Rated by Barnet, did well first couple games then Tisdale came in and basically never played again.

Hanlan: Gillingham fans laughed their heads off, was awful apparently, and all my gas mates said he started off okay at best and then scored like 1 in his last 30 :laugh:

Williams: Fine and played fine

McCormick: Unknown, one of their best players it seems

Oztumer: Rated by Walsall but not rated whatsoever by Bolton, played awfully

Initial thoughts from fans of previous clubs on these 4 seem to be:

Coutts: Rated highly

Hughes: Rated highly but old

Finley: Rated highly but very hot-headed

Can't even remember and can't be bothered to look up the last one's name, but he started last season captain at Carlisle and ended it backup to a 20 year old. Apparently he's dog. The one to look out for, the rest seem fine. Coutts is a decent signing in particular. 

They've released their retained list and agent Little has finally departed it seems. But their top goalscorer, Luke Leahy, a left-back. Who Barton in an interview the other day said was committed to staying at the club and wanted to stick with it and who Barton made captain, has rejected a contract offer and now will leave. You couldn't write it!!

Their reporter says there's nothing in it, and tbh I doubt it too. Surely the bloke wouldn't have gone to the sags in the first place when they're on the brink of relegation and suddenly ditch them; surely he'd have just waited for a better job? 

Grew up loving a lot of punk; the Clash, the Sex Pistols, the Ramones are some of my favourite bands of all time.

IDLES are fantastic and one of the only bands that I think can hold the torch of their predecessors in the modern times of Imagine Dragons and Greta van Fleet. Joy as an Act of Resistance is fantastic. 

5 minutes ago, Peter O Hanraha-hanrahan said:

Forest fans were very happy when County dropped into non league and there was a lengthy thread about it on their forum. However, most Forest fans seem to consider Derby as their main rivals.

Stoke also hate Port Vale and take the piss at every opportunity.

The big difference is that neither Notts County or Port Vale are as big of a Circus as the Sags. It’s not our fault if they insist on handing us the ammo constantly.

I literally barely care about the gas anymore. Will we still be talking about the gas when we're in the Prem (if that ever happens) and they're in League 2? I hope not. The time of the Bristol rivalry is in my eyes over. We won. They're not close to us in terms of practically anything. Like yes, Rovers aren't a proper football club. That's precisely the point. We are, and shouldn't be concerning ourselves with them as much as we do. If we pushed a rivalry with Cardiff instead, we would 100% see expectations of this club rise hugely. Chelsea used to be concerned with Fulham, now they're concerned with Arsenal and Spurs. As for Stoke, I don't think I ever saw a Stoke fan mention Port Vale when they were 10th with Hughes, why would they? It's so far beneath them. Something like Portsmouth and Southampton I understand because Portsmouth have taken a huge drop; but the sags will, in my personal opinion, never compete with us for the foreseeable future. So it seems pointless and all it does is lower the standards to where we accept anything which is slightly above a pathetic team like the gas

18 hours ago, Eastend said:

We’ve lost 1 game less than Bournemouth and they are in the play offs. Things could be worse. Most of the people on this forum are acting like we are in turmoil and the club are going to go bust. 
 

yes we’ve lost the last 6 or 7 games, but remember this squad or players is the same squad that won 4 in a row at the start of the season...

 

Pardon me Eastend but when's the parade for "we've only got one win less than Bournemouth." What nonsense.

Last time I checked we also had 8 more losses. You do realise that we have 16 losses this season; more than Sheffield Wednesday who are in the relegation zone? 

The gas are pathetic and everyone has known this for years. They are not a serious football club. We've been begging for progression and promotion but this is, in my personal opinion, a big part of what holds us back. I don't think I ever see Nottingham Forest fans talk about Notts County or Stoke talk about Port Vale despite the other constantly talking about the latter, why's that? Because the gap is so large that they're not seen as even worth bothering with. Like yes I remember a time when things were worse but I don't care, I don't like the sags will be happy going down because "oh well at least we're not in the conference anymore." Everything is relative. We have the potential to be doing much, much better than what we're doing now and instead we're happy with being a middle-table Championship club because "oh at least the gas are rubbish." Like we'll get pounded 6-0 but it's like "oh well I mean it's Watford and Rovers lost 6-1 so it's not that bad." Like obviously, success is relative if Arsenal got relegated they'd be a lot more unhappy than we would be if we finished 9th. 

Regarding the sags; not sure if anyone's seen this: Bristol Rovers' stance over Joey Barton revealed as ex-Motherwell manager is also considered - Bristol Live (bristolpost.co.uk)

Another option they're looking at is former Motherwell manager Stephen Robinson as an alternative to Barton. 

Robinson is, just like Tisdale, a former City player. Seem to recall him being on loan to us under Wilson.

Imagine, agent Tisdale gets them in this position and agent Robinson finishes off the job! It might even be better than when they got relegated from the football league whilst wearing their own kit.

Well...nothing could be quite as embarrassing as that...

One man I feel for tonight is BP's Rovers correspondent, you can see he's lacking the energy and how bad the sags were, the descriptions on player ratings gave me a right giggle https://www.bristolpost.co.uk/sport/football/match-reports/accrington-stanley-bristol-rovers-live-4958447

"James Daly: 5"

"Ran around"

"Cian Harries: 5"

"Only conceded one when he was on the pitch"

Cor you go off football for a couple days and this happens!! Completely expected of course, maybe different to a lot of what people on here may be thinking I think their squad is actually half-decent. Absolutely light years off ours of course, but I'd be surprised if they went down. I just think Garner is absolutely woeful, recruitment seems okay for what they want to be; a Peterborough-type model, but as a manager he's hilariously awful, and was clearly never taking them anywhere.  

Think Paul Cook is unrealistic for them, think it'll probably be Michael Flynn from Newport; he was talking about the sacking on EFL Quest and he seemed to somehow respect the sags, even said they could be a Championship club! :laugh:. Local manager too, at least relatively. And I think Wally would actually pay compensation to get him. Also talked about the fact the manager would need time, and given Wally gave this guy 11 months, a guy who hadn't had a job before, I'm assuming he'd get 12 years minimum!

Honestly it’s kind of fair *****, whether or not it will end like the sags are dreaming is one thing but wiping off all their debt, especially since some on here including me thought that that debt could’ve bankrupted them in future years, is kind of just fair enough wally

6 hours ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

To me, teams they play against at home do seem quite likely to have players sent off - more regularly than many other clubs, including our own. Are there any stats to support this feeling?

Red cards against whilst playing at home in League One this season:

Portsmouth: 5

The Sags, Wycombe: 4

Gillingham, Peterborough: 3

Accrington, AFC Wimbledon, Fleetwood, Ipswich, Lincoln, Oxford, Rotherham: 2

Bolton, Burton, Shrewsbury, Southend: 1

Blackpool, Coventry, Doncaster, MK Dons, Rochdale, Sunderland, Tranmere: 0

Jammy gits.

Mind you, their first goal was an absolute thunderc*nt

6 hours ago, Up The City! said:

It seems the sags are trying to follow our very own model of buying young players to develop them and then sell them on. They have obviously seen that we have made a success of it and as they look upon us with envy they want a slice of that pie too. Even their manager has gone on a winless run like LJ did.

However there is a slight problem with copying our approach in that for them to secure a young players services it means that player has been rejected by every premier league club, every Championship club, including us, and let's face it if these players were any good they would be on our radar already! They have also been rejected by most League One clubs and I'll say some League Two clubs too that are of a bigger standing than the sags. So basically they are signing young misfits and rejects. That's not exactly the approach we took. 

We were a Championship club we we started this approach in vein, a Championship club that had a redeveloped stadium, getting crowds of 20k, owned by a wealthy owner, a club that had shown to be progressive and was improving year on year on and off the pitch, a club with quality coaches that players improve under, training facilities that whilst not the best is worlds apart to what Rovers have. We also have a Cat 2 academy and back then had plans to build a new training ground which has now started. We have shown that through us there is a pathway to the Premier League.

That's why we are attractive to younger players, the fact we almost secured Eddie and Ampadu shows how well regarded our set up is, Leicester are also trusting us with developing Benkovic who is considered a future top CB. 

Rovers are trying to copy our blueprint without actually seeing the blueprint, they are literally changing it and hoping it pays off without doing all the ground work that we did to get our set up in place. They are pretty much trying to do what we are doing, but on the cheap.

Disagree.

As much as we know about the Sags' pathetic attempt to call themselves a football club, it's undeniable that Garner has good links, if he didn't he wouldn't have been able to get Daly or Blackman, personally I think a lot of Championship clubs would have been perfectly happy with those signings, and me personally I would've been happy with Blackman as a signing ahead of Niki last season. 

The Sags as well do seem to have created a reputation as a good footballing support, a farce of course, but I would argue that teams around the country other than Bristol aren't aware on just how big the gap is in that sense. I use twitter a lot and I regularly see people ranking football fanbases or the size of different clubs and put us at the same level of the Sags. Complete lies of course, but would James Daly of Crystal Palace really realise that the Sags are close to financial crisis and have a shit fanbase when they big themselves up so much, I would argue no. Plus Garner having experience at Palace and having an unfortunately accurate resume in terms of helping to develop young players, I think the Sags are much more attractive in that respect than a lot of us realise, as we know them as the shambles that they are. 

Just signed Tammy’s younger brother , the gift

On a side note, in the last 10 minutes the sags became the only side in the top 4 English divisions to have not scored a goal in their respective domestic league in 2020

1 hour ago, steviestevieneville said:

with your last sentence you’re definitely a  nailed on sag. Only a fewer would accuse us of just being happy to be above that lot.

good try though 

Multiple times in the past month or so I’ve seen posts of “when times are bad, just remember that things could always be worse. We could be the fewers” or similar posts. Me thinking this is an awful mindset to have because it leads to mediocrity doesn’t make me a sag. The sheer existence of this forum does seem to prove my thinking no? The fact that even when we’re on losing runs this forum seems to never drop to the 2nd page baffles me. Obviously it’s completely justified sometimes like when Cockman left them for a team in the league below despite being in contention for promotion at the time, or us signing Matty. A lot of the fan base don’t have this mindset, but there’s a minority that do that frustrates me. There’s also a minority who accuse anyone who doesn’t agree with every word they say as being a “Sag in disguise.” It’s just odd. I would rather have Bristol City forum about Bristol City, but hey, that’s just me. Or at least be talking about rivals who are higher quality than Rovers. Because the gap is so big at this point I just don’t think I care about the rivalry with them that much anymore as I used to, it’s kind of dead.