Simpleton Gas

1 minute ago, RedHienz said:

Cureton was there already and Roberts was less then a Tilson. Only remember them from when you bottled the last 6 games of your best season in the last 30 years. 

You actually sold some decent strikers during that period, shame the money was spent renovationg the beaches in bris. 

Favorite Dunford moment was when he closed your old forum.

Anyway dont let facts ruin your fun.

Its pretty straightforward to explain - how much of the money from the Alex Scott will Nigel Pearson see? In D2 you sell a player for Roberts for 2m and would then expect to get to spend 250,000-300,000. 

Holloway was given money to spend, and wasted it. 

6 minutes ago, BS3City said:

Utter crap you Sag ****! Anyone familiar with events at that time will well remember that any profit made on a player sale resulted in a new fleet of milk floats for Dunford Dairies.

No pun intended, but they "milked" you for every single penny.

You have a very selective memory and are full of shit...

No Dunfords, no club. I've said it before and will say it again. 

The idea of money being 'creamed off' as part of a criminal conspiracy by the Dunfords to fund the purchase of new milk floats is mildly amusing, but deserves no further consideration. 

3 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

So you are saying that Lansdown is culpable or not? You brought it up as a way of trying to smear him, then you backtracked and said you wouldn't make the claims against him specifically, but now you are saying he is somehow more culpable than other businessmen? 

I doubt you could even describe the difference between Vulture Capitalism and Venture Capitalism. 

I think I would be more inclined to question if there is a difference in the first place. 

Lansdown is involved in an industry that has been subject to widespread public criticism and controversy after the 2007/08 financial crisis. I don't want to make specific allegations on a football forum, but on the basis of this fact alone, I would suggest that he should be subject to greater and closer scrutiny than 'ordinary' businessmen who make their money in more conventional/traditional ways. 

Just now, RedRaw said:

Dear oh dear, I have to start quoting myself to get a response! @Hot Air

Under the terms of the law, the incidents involving the City players resulted in jail sentences being handed out. In the case of Brown and Barton, no jail sentence was forthcoming. The incident involving the City players was a serious violation of public order, and as I recall, one player continued to play with a tag. 

I'm not sure what you mean by 'under social obligation'? If you mean, do I believe that different standards should apply across individual countries on the basis of cultural differences, then my answer is 'no'.

If Brown serves his sentence, commits to undertake rehabilitation and pay his debt to the victim/s and society, then I have no issue with the club signing him. 

5 minutes ago, Mayes86 said:

I’m not and have never have condoned what happened however, one drunken moment with and let’s face it bouncers that are always looking for a fight. Is miles away from a long list, over 20 years at least of beating people up, betting and stubbing cigars out in 20 yr olds eyes whilst dressed as a paedophile (tbf that come out much later).

It ultimately comes down to one question. Do you continue to employ somebody who has been convicted of a criminal offence? Both Rovers and City have done this, and so City should stop being holier-than-thou on this issue. 

My personal view is that you should only do this if they commit to seek help and ultimately work towards rehabilitation. In the case of Barton, I'm willing to admit that I have reservations about his continued employment on this basis. 

However, with regard to the specific court cases, I think the position of the club was correct. 

10 minutes ago, Port Said Red said:

So you are laying the claims of "Vulture Capitalism" at the door of every businessman? Every Investor? Every what? No club in the land, yours included would have an owner untarnished by your criterion.

That's like saying that somebody who works on the front desk of a bank is comparable to a national-level bank boss. Quite clearly, nuances and degrees of acceptability apply. I think we can generally agree that Lansdown would be more open to scrutiny and criticism than somebody like Dunford, despite the fact that both are businessmen. 

3 minutes ago, Mayes86 said:

It wasn’t even the City mascot you plum, coldseal pigs and the wolves mascot. 

It was still embarrassing and exposed your club to nationwide ridicule. 

2 minutes ago, glynriley said:

Imagine a roverzzz fan being offended by the term Gypos. Get back in your caravan ya didi…

Try using the word in front of anybody with a reasonable degree of intelligence and see how you get on.....

1 minute ago, Sheltons Army said:

@Hot Air

You described us as ‘tinpot’

 

Im thinking

Which team has played in the top flight

Which Club has a stadium you can only dream about

Which Club has dropped into Non League

Which Club is the only Club to have ever failed to qualify for the FIRST ROUND of the League Cup

Which Club played ‘Doncaster United’ 

Which Club didn’t own a ground for many decades , squatting here n there , until they stole the Rugby Ground , before turning it into a campsite

Which Club famously featured on MoD conceding Nine

Which Club employs a manager with criminal convictions

Santa’s Grotto.... headbutting minibuses.....punching horses......relegated to non league by a team wearing your kit.....we could go on and on 

A never ending source of laughter and ridicule 

This tinpot thing is a difficult one ........ 

 

 

 

You relied on acts of charity from former players and creditors foregoing payment in 1982. Both are supreme acts of tinpottery which proved your inability to manage your own financial affairs. 

And it must be a different Bristol City whose mascot got involved with a brawl with Wolves's mascot in a 6-1 reversal at Ashton Gate; or whose players were sentenced to prison for a violent street brawl; or when you went from division one to division four in successive seasons; or whose yobs violently attacked Rovers fans in front of the Sky cameras and chased their manager and players from the pitch after a last-minute equalizer. And so on......

7 minutes ago, cidercity1987 said:

It took you all day to come up with that?

Classic Gas rationale

The original point was that Charlton are a bigger club than Millwall. Would you disagree with this claim? 

9 minutes ago, Mayes86 said:

Not just crimes against women though, Barton’s list is bigger than hot airs IQ. Banned from football for betting in matches he was involved (still lost those bets ) stubbing a cigar out in youth players eye, etc etc.

 

So upset about where a wealthy person chooses to live but doesn’t care about Barton’s actual real crimes.

So do you believe that your own club should have sacked Bradley Orr, David Partridge and Steve Brooker after they were sentenced to prison for their role in a drunken brawl? 

Please don't pretend that you are in a position of moral authority on this. 

7 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

You know, the player you have just signed who was ditched by his previous club and has since admitted he attacked a woman? Come on, how far do you sweep these issues under the carpet?

If the player has committed to serve their sentence and has also committed to undergo rehabilitation, then there is no reason for the club not to employ them.

I recall that after three of your players were jailed after participating in a brawl with club bouncers, your club continued to employ them and provided all necessary support. I didn't accuse your club of condoning violent conduct. 

Just now, Port Said Red said:

That's a big claim, what evidence that would stand up in a court of law that HL, a reputable investment company, involved in millions of legitimate Pension schemes and a broker for 1000's of legal fund managers, partook in Vulture Capitalism?

I won't make specific claims about HL on a football forum, as it isn't appropriate. 

Let's just say that a whole number of 'reputable' investment companies were badly exposed in the 2007/08 financial crash. The entire system is rotten to its core. 

3 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

 

So, would like to expand on your thoughts on crimes against women considering I wasn’t referring to the scum Barton? Or is it getting too personal for you?

What are you referring to? 

1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

Every one of you that comes on here , or perhaps you’re one & the same come across so desperate. Why on earth would anyone come on a rivals forum when there is absolutely nothing , less than nothing you got over us . Trying so sadly to score some points . Always the victims , it’s quite pathetic 

The OP made a false claim. I corrected him/her. 

And at precisely what point have I or any other Rovers fans asserted our victimhood? 

4 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Yep, they’re almost exactly the same, aren’t they?

Ridiculous number of beheadings, stonings & forced amputations have taken place at Hargreaves Lansdown.

What a truly pathetic attempt at a comparison.

Must try (or think) harder, pal.

How many people died as a result of austerity imposed in the aftermath of the 2007/08 that occurred as a result of vulture capitalism? Studies have been done on this, and I think you would be surprised by their conclusions. 

2 minutes ago, Winterstoke toad said:

Charltons average that season was just over 15,000. How thick can you get your either really committed to trolling or braindead . 

Which part of 'I was not referring to the average but individual games' are you struggling with? 

4 minutes ago, italian dave said:

Interesting that you can draw such fine moral distinctions between investment from Jordan and from the Saudis - both of which are countries defined by Freedom House as "not free". And yet when it comes to legal tax avoidance and illegal benefit fraud you make no such distinction.

Quite clearly there is a very wide variation in the category. The political situation in Jordan, an authoritarian semi-democracy, is in no way comparable to Saudi Arabia, which is a theocracy. 

1 minute ago, richwwtk said:

I would suggest the very definition of tinpot is rush releasing a commemorative mug to celebrate winning a league match in August 2-1

 

They could also do one of Dean Windass scoring the promotion-winning goal in the 2008 playoff final. They'd probably sell out. 

6 minutes ago, RedRaw said:

Do you think crimes against women should be covered under ‘social obligation’? Clearly your president doesn’t think so

If you are referring to JB, Wael and the club were quite within their rights to continue to employ JB, and would have in all probability faced legal action if they had fired him. 

At all points beforehand, Wael actually made it clear that JB would be fired if found guilty. 

2 minutes ago, GrahamC said:

Seeing as it has already been pointed out he was a keyboard player he’ll never be that.

By the way to answer your question about our owner & his tax affairs, I genuinely don’t give a ****.

I am happy to criticise his choice of managers on occasion but he earned the money, has done loads for Bristol’s economy & is entitled to live where he likes & if that’s Guernsey it is his business & no one else’s.

Again, it doesn't detract from the actual point - you weren't always the slick, professionalized outfit that you currently aspire to be, and were actually quite embarrassingly small-time and, dare I say it, 'tinpot'. 

I fully understand your position. However, are you equally non-judgemental on the Saudi takeover of Newcastle? Like Lansdown, the Saudis have earnt their money,  invested in the economy and are fully entitled to adopt their own preferred financial arrangements? 

11 minutes ago, Winterstoke toad said:

You still haven’t provided any stats showing charlton having a bigger attendance than city last season ? 

I can't be right on everything. I wasn't referring to averages, and accidentally referred to the 2021-22 figures, not those from last season.

Last season is actually a very bad guide, because they underachieved massively. 

Note that I was also referring to individual games, not the average.

See here: Charlton Athletic | Home Attendances | 2021-2022 | Football Web Pages

Two attendances in excess of 26,000. 

3 minutes ago, bert tann said:

You mean more democratic, free and prosperous than Kuwait ?

In the Arab world, Kuwait is also relatively free and democratic, which of course isn't the same as saying it is free and democratic. 

5 minutes ago, City Rocker said:

Your lack of awareness and detachment from reality are actually quite endearing. 

Scott Davidson, like the Dunfords, was/is a respected and successful local business man. As a sideline, he also happens to be a very talented session musician (keyboard player, by the way) who has worked with some incredible artists like the Pet Shop Boys, as well as some of lesser repute (they all pay good money though!). 

I'm pretty sure Davidson's wealth was considerably greater than the Dunfords', though in business terms, Steve Lansdown is in a different stratosphere than any of the aforementioned, or than the new Rovers chap. 

I hope this clarifies. 

I'm very happy to hear he 'redeemed' himself by making credible music with actual musicians. However, for most observers, he will always be the 'drummer from Bros'. 

Fame is both a blessing and curse.

2 minutes ago, bert tann said:

Isn't it about more than tax loopholes though ?

There are bread riots in Jordan, tens of thousands are living in squalor in refugee camps and the government has just passed a law allowing them to imprison those who protest about corruption amongst the country's elite.

So in these circumstances wouldn't the supporters of an upstanding Jordanian citizen who has chosen to spend £30 million on a third division football club in a faraway land while his fellow countrymen starve be best advised to keep quiet about it ? 

 

By Arab standards, Jordan is relatively democratic, free and prosperous. If you trying to shoehorn some sort of comparison between Wael's backing of Rovers and the Saudi bankrolling of Newcastle, then you are misguided and misinformed. 

People are malnourished and lack food in the UK. Are you suggesting that countries that receive money from UK investors should reconsider? 

1 minute ago, Rudolf Hucker said:

There were lots that feared Cureton back then but they’re adult now. 

You are clearly of limited intelligence, but I'm guessing you are aware that people have been prosecuted over making false claims on the Internet? I would suggest that you delete that very quickly.