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Bad Savage ?

Yes, we need his experience

I see the last half a dozen games or so as a blend between how we played before LM arrived, tweaked with a few LM additions, if he continues this next season (provided the summer business is good), I’m hopeful of doing well. If he just reverts to Manningball I fear we are doomed.

Pep can go out and buy the best players in the world to fit his philosophies, Liam can’t, so he has to adapt to the players he has, it’s a completely different scenario.

Didn’t realise Camilla played for the City

I believe he’s out of contract, so no sell on unfortunately

This thread is about a podcast with which Nige was involved and which touched on his time with us, and the circumstances in which he left. There are others which discuss our LM and the virtues, or otherwise, of our present form. There is no reason why we can’t discuss both topics, I don’t really understand why you’d have difficulty with that, or feel the need to bring LM into this thread. I for one separate the two issues, NP shouldn’t have been sacked in the way he was imo, but LM, good or bad, is where we are now. if you don’t want to discuss NP’s sacking fine, ignore this thread and just contribute to one’s discussing LM

I saw the article but assumed it was an old one referring to the last time it happened

Personally so far I can’t see he’s done anywhere near enough to warrant spending that kind of money. £2m I could see the case £4m no, we don’t have that kind of money anymore.

Pretty obvious I’d say he won’t stay, otherwise they’d have played him by now.

I bet you’re glad you decided to go ?

Anyone know anything about Backwell, and what position does he play ?

Scott or Brownhill , even better both

I’m sure Preston fans said the same about HNM

Context comes before, ie that was his target when he arrived, excuses are afterwards if the target is not communicated at the beginning. That’s why we were patient with him, he levelled with us from the beginning. edit compare that to this time when the communication was LM would improve us THIS season, hence why many judge LM so harshly, now it IS excuses.

Most of us would be onboard with Manning if he’d been successful since he’s been here despite the debacle of his appointment. On that basis the criticism of him is fair, he’s still our manager and is likely to remain so regardless of mine, and others concerns. Therefore it’s in his hands to change our opinion of him. Over to you Liam.

You completely ignore context, Nige’s job essentially was to keep us up whilst major cost cuttings were made to avoid FFP etc, LM’s job is to take us forward from a more stable position. Nige succeeded as we are still a championship club. To date, by your own admission, LM has failed, not only has he failed to improve our position, we’ve actually performed worse.

I thought the point was to discuss your opinions, to say something just to get a response demeans the podcast surely ?

Unlike you I haven’t fully made up my mind yet, the jury is still out, much like the team he isn’t consistent enough. I hope he does convince me, and prove my doubts were unfounded, because more than anything I want us to be successful

Whilst his health towards the end probably didn’t help, if he’d had a good relationship with the board I’m sure they’d have found a way to accommodate him. I believe they used his bad health as an excuse to accelerate his dismissal, rather than being a genuine issue.

Totally agree, better keeper, cost nothing, much lower wages, what’s not to like. Well done Max. Like most I had my doubts at first, and there has been a few dodgy spells along the way, but now he’s more than proved himself and is improving all the time. Max and Dickie are the two candidates for POTS for me.

The elephant in the room I believe is that NP wasn’t sacked for an underperforming squad, but for other reasons. Reasons that we’ll never find out about, the underperforming nonsense was just that, nonsense. LM was an ideal candidate as stepping up a league he’s going accept things that a more experienced manager wouldn’t stand for.

Equally it’s not a criticism of Nige either, and as we’ve already established our defensive record was better under NP than it is under LM what was the point of the change? I get we are where we are, but as of yet LM hasn’t demonstrated he’s the man to take us forward, not to me at least.

That’s academic, he was supposed to be a better coach that would achieve more this season with our present squad. By your own admission, so far he’s failed, we’ve actually performed worse. Based on those facts why would anyone believe he’s the man to take us forward, I genuinely don’t understand.