SimonD

This is pretty much as I said on here when the last season's accounts were released, and in my analysis of the season's before for that matter. The comment about having dodged the same bullet next season is weird, unless he has got his timeline confused.

Are you saying that T-1 and T-2 are not capped as they have already been punished for them in the Premier League version of FFP? The breach of circa £17m suggests that they are with the 22-23 loss alone being £89m.

I guess if 14 clubs were seriously concerned about breaching next season then it would be a shoo-in. If there aren't I can't see why they would vote for it as it would be allowing others to get away without making the same level of "sacrifice".

Who? Regardless of the answer, I'd put that is the same category as those who say that the thresholds need to be increased in line with inflation. Totally missing the point!

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There must be a strong possibility that some Villa fans are not aware of UEFA's convoluted way of allocating payments from their competitions and simply believe that it is performance based. It presumably is in the public domain somewhere.

Not relevant to FFP any more but Reading are apparently selling their training ground to Wycombe Wanderers. I can't be easy supporting Reading these days.

This season they sold Barnes and Castagne I think, but bought a few too

Leicester will have the sale of Fofana to Chelsea to help with the accounts due out shortly.

With regard to qualifying my (well Swiss Ramble's) estimate of disallowable costs, I was looking around for typical costs for the various levels of academies and found this on Swansea. The full extent of Swansea City's substantial academy saving revealed and the innovation club legend Alan Curtis will spearhead - Wales Online Does this sound about right to you? Level 1 £6m-£7m per season Level 2 £2m per season.

Yes, definitely the Holdings accounts. We'd have no problems with FFP on the other set......

Thanks for this. 1st March makes more sense as it give the EFL more time to act, although that is not their specialty. I did think that I'd read/heard that they were looking to move the date to 31st Dec, but that can't be right. it has to be after the transfer window closes. To reply to a couple or so comments over the last couple of days (I was quite busy!) "This bit for example, smacks of the formation of an excuse. It seems weak with respect. Blaming the Covid impact upon the market is a bit rear view mirror" I disagree, but this is me purely commenting on how I see the terrain, not an official QPR line. There were very few transfers between Championship clubs in the Covid aftermath. "Not that impressive in all honesty." Nor me! Letting Beale dictate transfer policy was stupid. One sale in that summer (assuming there were any offers for our players) would have have allowed us some breathing space this season. "The original piece last February did have a bullish estimate about the loss falling by £5.5m in one year" Sadly true. I was just looking for a scenario which matched the stated position (as I'm sure you guessed)

I heard / read that Everton's second breach was just for the season following the three they previously got docked points for. Having been punished, a line was drawn and they were allowed to lose £35m in that season after allowances and lost more, which knocks all of the "punished twice for the same seasons" complaints on the head. I do recall a similar clause in either Birmingham's or Sheffield Wednesday's resolution document.

Unless you know something I don't, we were not under any measures per se, we just knew where we stood with FFP and were not in a position to make any signing. Dozzell was one of the higher earners (I use the term loosely) at the club, I believe Birmingham in effect just took over the remaining few months on his contract, freeing up some funds. With regard to Begovic, he opened up a football school in the area and so was happy to come to the club at a cut down rate. We knew our what our position this season was going to be at the start of last season; if we have breached FFP by this January's windows activities we will deserve what ever punishment we get.

Ours (QPR's) were out pretty late last year, very much towards the end of February. I'm not reading anything into that.

I'm reading this in a sense of disbelief. You will win, my guess would be 3-0. Suggestions that we will sit back and defend are well off the mark. We simply aren't capable of doing that, nor can we defend set pieces. The one hope we've got, outside of the unlikely event of another "worldy" from Chair, is to isolate Sinclair Armstrong against Rob Dickie. Armstrong is powerful and fast, but don't expect him to do anything with the ball once he has got free. I would say enjoy the match, but you will.

So I didn't imagine it and, yes, it does make perfect sense. Many thanks.

With regard to Dickie, while I thoroughly understand what you are saying and why, considering that the info came from within the club, was a year before he signed for you and they would have been fully aware that he would have been entering his final year of that contract, I would expect that his NBV would already have been taken into account in the £10m required. I agree that the the Birmingham sponsorship is ridiculous. Anyway I have a question for you Mr P. I sent to Kieran Maguire and the POF pod so long ago I'm considering sending it a birthday card. We all understand the rolling three-year FFP reporting period, but what is the situation for a club promoted from League One? I thought that I'd read that at the end of their first season in The Championship they are assessed on that season AND the previous two as if they'd been in the Championship all the time - but I cant' find where I read that so may have misunderstood something else. The other option is that they are assessed on one season with a £13m permitted loss, than at the end of the second season on a £26m loss which is how I believe Championship clubs are assessed after being found guilty of breaching and having points docked. Any idea?

If I may, as a QPR supporter (over here for your excellent FFP thread) I can answer that. Dickie was great when we signed him, but he'd been well a truly QPR'd and was playing as if in a state of shock last season. To his credit he never hid, but regularly cost us at least a goal every match. He was entering his last year of contract and none of us expected him to be offered an extension. We had a big FFP hole to fill, and so accepted a reasonable offer for him. I'm pleased he has recovered from his time with us, he always seems a genuine bloke.

The £10 million deficit that needed to be addressed to avoid breaching FFP this season is not a figure plucked from thin air. It originated from a meeting at the club with manager Michael Beale at the start of the 2022/23 season. Clive has revealed the source on LFW a couple of times so I'm comfortable doing so here. Events in that season that will have impacted on that amount include the club being paid compensation for Ilias Chair and Seny Dieng being selected for their respective nations’ World Cup squads, compensation received from Rangers for Beale’s services, compensation paid to Neil Critchley for his subsequent sacking and compensation paid to Wycombe Wanderers in respect of Gareth Ainsworth. Summer Business: Sold: Dieng to Middlesborough Dickie to Bristol City Loans Returned to Parent Club: Ethan Laird – Manchester United Tim Iroegbunam – Aston Villa Jamal Lowe - Bournemouth Tyler Roberts - Leeds Released at End of Contract: Luke Amos Leon Balogun Chris Martin Olamide Shodipo Left by Mutual Consent Stefan Johansen Macualey Bonne (actually Jan 23) January Window loans out Andre Dozzell Charlie Kelman Stephen Duke-McKenna Naming Rights secured this season: MATRADE Loftus Road Stadium - £400k per season Achilleus Security Stand Bhatia Stand TSG Elite Training & Performance Centre Misc: Dykes contract extension spreading his last year of amortisation a little thinner. All transfer fees, loans, wages etc are undisclosed and I never believe the numbers in the media. According to Sky Sports we sold Josh Bowler to Everton for over £4million. Most of that would have been add-ons which never got realised. We now have a new policy of not disclosing contract lengths either! The strikers name you were struggling to remember is Frey. A couple of season back we had Jeff Hendrick on loan from Newcastle for free. No loan fee nor contribution to his wages. If you saw him play, we were done! There is a lot of speculation that we have Hayden and Hodge on very similar deals. Both need game time and will get it if they remain fit. The wages deals for Andersen and Frey and believed to be back end heavy. I'm not aware of anything that would substantiate that though. Colback came to us because we were the only ones stupid enough to offer him a two year deal. In my opinion, there are far too many unknowns to be sure that the £10m hole has been filled, but if it hasn't been and they took on additional cost in January, then they deserve what ever punishment they get.

I haven't got time to do that now, but will get back to you later or tomorrow.

Thanks for the low down on Bristol City. The £10 million hole. We should have made sales the summer before last, but they were so determined to get Beale in as manager that they let him dictate who left. Last season's managerial change (Beale out, Critchley out and Ainsworth in) was hopefully neutral. We also "earned" around 1/2 million compensation from Chair and Dieng being at the World Cup. Not taking up the option on Charlie Austin's contract made a very decent saving. This season, Cifuentes was end of contract in Sweden. We'd tried to get him last season, but couldn't afford the buyout. The generally accepted amounts are £2m for Dieng and £700k for Dickie. (He had started well for us, but we'd broken him. He definitely needed a fresh start) We've gone to town with naming rights this season. Stadium, Away Stand, South Africa Road Stand and training ground have all been "claimed". The majority of the rest will be through payroll which has left us very weak, but the activity towards the end of the January window do suggest we made it.

We've all suffered from poor recruitment. Our bigger problem though is the owners getting too excited by the prospect of promotion and over spending in an attempt to achieve it. We are really suffering this season because of it. It will be a minor miracle if we can cut our losses by the required £10m and stay in this division.

Good morning everyone. I was led here from Loft for Words, a QPR forum and was pleasantly surprised to see an intelligent and informed thread on FFP covering all Championship clubs. I write an annual piece for LFW after the accounts are published, this was the last one. On the edge of the precipice — Column - Queens Park Rangers News | Loft For Words (fansnetwork.co.uk) Bristol City is a club that often gets mentioned on LFW as a club that could be close to breaching FFP, how do you guys see where they sit?