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I don't have one. I don't have any political allegiance. I like to look at both sides of most things. In this case, I don't think you can say that he was 100% a Saint and a hero, I don't think his actions can be disputed.

And I'm referring to all the other civilian deaths and casualties at the hands of the group he founded. Feel free to ignore that fact if it doesnt suit YOUR agenda.

Other bombings occurred or so news reports would suggest.

Just the one was it?

I tried to make a similar point but was told its all racist right wing lies.

Where is the racism in what I posted? Sorry just spotted the poster. The convert, the defender of the indefensible.

Where did I say it wasn't justified?

Of course the greater outcome was positive but you cannot praise somebody who shed the blood of innocents in the process, without being called up on it.

Ok you win, he DIDN'T co-found that group and they DIDN'T commit terrorist acts (sorry, didn't fight for freedom). Congratulations, you just changed history!

I respect your opinion but imprisoned or not, I don't think an individual can be associated (founding) with such a group, with his wife etc and then completely condemn all their actions. Bit too idealistic for me.

http://www.thenewamerican.com/world-news/africa/item/15888-saint-mandela-not-so-fast http://thebackbencher.co.uk/3-things-you-didnt-want-to-know-about-nelson-mandela/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umkhonto_we_Sizwe http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_National_Congress http://ajmacdonaldjr.wordpress.com/2013/06/22/nelson-mandela-the-man-and-the-myth/ Etc etc. Are you really that naive?

http://americanfreepress.net/?p=11873 Any thoughts on this?

Is that a joke?

Excellent decision. Diabolical end record with Doncaster, awful record with us. Attrocious football for 10 months, just wasnt working. Results improved, performances didnt. Bad for our rep and we look like a laughing stock but had to be done.

Guess so.

And? They're puppets to a Central team. No different to a floor manager in Tescos.

No, that isnt what I said. I was stereotyping those arrested. Show me 16 doctors, lawyers, accountants etc among them and I'll show you a liar.

Remember anyone can be a 'company director' if they've registered a company. But anyway... No I agree about the Einstein point, but I don't think it works in complete opposites. It may be the case in your experience of 40 years that clever and high powered people were involved but I wouldnt have thought it was the case these days. I still expect the majority are your estate kids etc as you put it.

Why? I've given my rationale, give yours.

Ok let me try and explain it very clearly. I know several people who have been involved in such incidents in the past, and none of them are very bright. I know several people who have been to hundreds of football matches home and away and never had any problems, and they have good jobs and have done well for themselves. FFS would you expect your board of directors or company secretary to go off on weekends getting arrested because of football altercations? Just think about it. There is a very common theme with the offenders and their apologists 99% of the time. Perhaps it isnt the case this time, who knows.

Its just nonsense, all of this. Stop defending this rubbish. Do any of them have successful careers/lives? Find it hard to believe.

Heres a thought, go to a football match, enjoy yourself, but don't give it the big I am trying to act like a tough guy, showing off to your mates and then blaming the police when you get a telling off or whatever it is the lower class do. I suspect the IQ of those arrested/in trouble is pretty low and no doubt they think the police are scum and blah de blah. Usual chav nonsense.