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  1. 5 minutes ago, Harry said:

    Pretty fed up of people having ‘political’ arguments on this. 
    Whether you like Boris or not, I think it’s pretty clear to see that he is taking the advice of the eminent experts of our country - he isn’t making it all up himself! 
    This is a totally unprecedented situation and no one, in any country, knows how to handle this. Our ‘experts’ are attempting a softly softly approach rather than an immediate lockdown. Other countries have done differently. 
    It’s not a political point of view. It’s not Boris making these recommendations. Please, he’s not bright enough. 
    Let’s quit the political arguments. 
    We are in the very early days of a very lengthy and deadly situation and no one has any clue yet what the best way to deal with this is. 
    Let’s just abide by the advice being given. 
     

    If you don’t agree that schools should be open - you are free to make your own choice and keep your kids at home. 
    If you don’t agree that pubs shouldn’t be open - make your own choice and don’t go to one. 
    If you don’t agree that you shouldn’t have close contact with your elderly relatives - make your own choice and go and see them as much as you want. 
     

    No government is gonna get this right. However, ours is relying us is, as a general public, not to be a bunch of disrespectful pricks and to act with due care and attention to the situation. 

    I personally have been very wary to keep a distance from people over this last week. I’m amazed that when I took my daughter to school this morning there were people still congregating so close together and happily nattering away in close-contact. I kept my distance, dropped her off and went home without coming within 2 metres of anyone. It’s easy to do, if you want to. Our government’s philosophy at the moment is that people act responsibly - sadly many propel aren’t taking this seriously. 
     

    The death rates will not be the responsibility of anyone on government. We are all able to make our own choices. The continual ignorance of the population is what will cause more deaths than anything the government have decided so far. 
     

    Quit the political nonsense folks and batten down your hatches. They’re giving you a personal choice to do this at the moment. If you don’t all start acting responsibly then they will have to force it upon you via martial law. And then you’ll really have something to complain about. 
     

    I find it baffling that people are trying to blame Johnson for a fricking pandemic, accuse him of not doing enough, and then still **** off to the pub of a night anyway. 
    Unbelievable. 

    No.

    People are angry because while you say you can "choose" to do the responsible things if you want, the fact others DON'T choose to and aren't being made to has a direct impact on the rest of the country.

    It's not like you doing it and them not doing it means you're ok - they can still panic buy, spread a deadly disease, overwhelm our public services, and importantly infect elderly and vulnerable people just because they'll probably be ok and have "chosen" not to listen to the advice. It's a CHOICE that is selfish and will likely literally kill people.

    To say you can just do it is lazy thinking.

  2. 1 hour ago, Mr Popodopolous said:

    Saw this online. Any thoughts?

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    IMO this maybe a necessary temporary measure.  If unemployment spikes as it could.

    The fact it takes something of this magnitude to make ours (and other) countries actually put these things is place is so sad. We can have a bit of compassionate socialism, but only during a pandemic eh?

    Things like a universal basic income, employee protections for taking sick leave and on zero hour contracts (which are a separate issue), supporting local food banks, changing awful rental conditions and protecting renters etc. should be a basic part of a modern first would country in my mind, not something you roll out at times like this! Not sure that's a popular view though.

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  3. 53 minutes ago, And Its Smith said:

    Why is getting 30 players in a stadium to play football higher risk than 300 kids going to school? Maybe I’m being dumb but I don’t get it. Stoping spectators is of use as it severely reduces the chances of spread. 

     

    It's more complicated that just 30 players though isn't it. They train together daily along with many coaches, medical staff, dietitians and so on. They travel and stay in hotels, use different clubs training facilities etc. and the clubs and facilities themselves take a lot of people to run and manage.

    I'd guess that for one football match there would actually be a few hundred people involved in close contact each week to make it happen - It's not like they could just meet once a week for 90 mins then self isolate the rest of the time. Other workplaces are open yes but people are being encouraged to work from home or isolate if they have symptoms - if you have players training together and half the one squad gets infected over the course of a few weeks you'd end up with every other game cancelled, or the rest of the season being a joke with half the squad off ill every game.

  4. 25 minutes ago, reddoc said:

    My concern here is our experts appear to know more than the experts in every other first world country. New York about to go into lock down. 

    The US are handling it awfully and will be one of the worst affected countries in my opinion. I'm certainly no fan of Boris Johnson or the Tories but I think we're actually doing the right thing so far.

    They're waiting to implement a full lockdown as I understand it at it's a massive step and you can't do it for long - if you do it too early you lose the positive effect of it as after a while people get restless, break it, and it spreads worse than before. It has to be carefully timed to hit around the start of the peak as far as I'm aware, if you're going to do it.

    The point isn't to stop new infections which is almost impossible, but to "flatten the curve" to spread infections out over a longer period so the services aren't hit as hard.

     A really interesting article about South Korea: https://www.scmp.com/week-asia/health-environment/article/3074469/coronavirus-south-korea-cuts-infection-rate-without their cases have fallen for 5 days straight now. 500 a day for the last 2 weeks, now down to 131. The test more than anywhere else (10k / day) for free in drive-thrus. 200k tests done, 7.5k cases, 54 deaths.

    No lockdown as far as I'm aware there, but lots of people on their way in have to register and are monitored, people tested positive are tracked with mobile phone and credit card payment details to warn others who came in contact, masks on people in shops.

    From the article:

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    Despite these facilities, Kim said it would be difficult for an open society such as South Korea or other OECD countries, to enforce lockdowns as seen in China. This was highlighted when Hong Ik-pyo was forced to resign as the chief spokesman of the ruling Democratic Party after he came under fire over his remarks that Daegu City, the epicentre of the recent outbreak, should be locked down.

    Conventional and coercive measures such as lockdowns of affected areas have drawbacks, he said, undermining the spirit of democracy and alienating the public who should participate actively in preventive efforts.

     

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  5. 26 minutes ago, Kid in the Riot said:

    It has an R-0 rating of about 2.0, meaning about 1 in 5 people that come into contact with someone with the virus will catch it. Flu is more like 1 in 8 people.

    I though the R-0 rating was the average number of people who would catch the virus from a single person? i.e. a R-0 of two means one person will on average infect two more - I'm not sure how that translates into what you've written, unless you're somehow using the average number of people someone comes in contact with?

  6. Remember a great game against Wolves a few years ago in the p*ssing wind and rain around Jan/Feb time I think it was - poor first half including a random cross ballooned over Basso in the wind and we were 0-2 down at half time. Dele Adebola came on at half time and absolutely ripped Wolves a new one, they couldn't handle him at all - finished 2-2. Certainly not a beautiful game of football by any stretch of the imagination but one that's stuck in my mind since! What a difference in attitude that was...

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  7. 3 minutes ago, The Dolman Pragmatist said:

    I can't believe this forum, or perhaps I should.  If we had been 3-0 down at half time and come back to get a 3-3 draw, people would have been hailing a fantastic point.  The fact is we were playing a very good side who had the same number of players as us, and we scored three goals each.  It doesn't matter what order they were scored in.  They scored three and we scored three.  It was a good point.  Of course it's disappointing, having been in the lead, but it's still a good point.  Those who say they would have been happy with a point before the game should be happy.  We got a point.

    Nah, I disagree. For one game in isolation maybe but a season is obviously much more than that - and supporting a club you pay more attention than just to individual results, the pattern is just as important. We've been guilty of this all season, and if the goals had been the reverse (them 3-0 up, then us drawing) then it would be far more encouraging. How do you think the players will feel after this, and going in to the next game as a result - if we're 2-0 up next game?

    Of course it makes a difference what order they were scored in. I'm looking for a sign of improvement of us maybe being more tactically aware and the games being managed better, not just the number at the end.

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  8. 1 minute ago, steviestevieneville said:

    Now take your pills and settle down love it'll look better in the morning . We play 46 games , if people don't think we'll have a blip then they're deluded. It's football it happens. 

    And those people didn't say it wasn't a blip... You've just made that assumption. People are just commenting on the game on a discussion forum, no need to be so condescending it doesn't make you sound smart.

  9. 3 minutes ago, steviestevieneville said:

    You got to love our lot, a couple of below par performances and look at all the negative ******* on here . Oh he should bury that or that's not good enough blah blah most on here probably couldn't trap a bag of cement mind. Get a grip for **** sake. 

    Well he should have scored it - it's a discussion forum and people are discussing the game. The second anyone says anything realistic (not even that negative) about 10 people spring out the woodwork with this nonsense every time. People are allowed to point out things city have done badly / could have done better without thinking we're sh*t and being "negative *******" you know... Sounds like you need to get a grip to me.

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