Red Army 79 Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Ok conditions were awful for Keepers but surely we should expect better from Basso. First Goal total misjudgement second terrible kick. Wolves Keeper didnt seem to have these problems. Thank god for the excellent team performance getting Basso off the hook after gifting top of the table a 2-0 lead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Ok conditions were awful for Keepers but surely we should expect better from Basso. First Goal total misjudgement second terrible kick. Wolves Keeper didnt seem to have these problems. Thank god for the excellent team performance getting Basso off the hook after gifting top of the table a 2-0 lead. Bit harsh IMO, we didnt trouble Hennesey enough with long balls so that is the reason he didnt make many mistakes. We all know Bassos kicking isnt the best but we played far to many risky back passes to him when we should have just got rid. The one plus for me is that bar the two mistakes wolves didnt have that many clear cut chances and they didnt carve us open once which is a positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ralph Milne Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Ok conditions were awful for Keepers but surely we should expect better from Basso. First Goal total misjudgement second terrible kick. Wolves Keeper didnt seem to have these problems. Thank god for the excellent team performance getting Basso off the hook after gifting top of the table a 2-0 lead. you forgot that he kept us in the game after that with the save from blake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Will Rollason Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 And all the other times he's saved us, give the guy a break. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 79 Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 You expect a professional keeper to be able to kick a ball. What does he do in training? If it was Weale would already be on page 2 by now.as his misjudgement against Wolves showed. As its Basso making the mistakes better keep it quiet. Hennesey every kick got to the half way line. Basso only had to deal with one high ball flapped like a clown as pure usual. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 And all the other times he's saved us, give the guy a break. Agree, Basso has one slight dodgy performance and a few get on his back. He has one us countless points over the last few years and IMO is the most consitent performer we have at the club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 You expect a professional keeper to be able to kick a ball. What does he do in training? If it was Weale would already be on page 2 by now.as his misjudgement against Wolves showed. As its Basso making the mistakes better keep it quiet. Hennesey every kick got to the half way line. Basso only had to deal with one high ball flapped like a clown as pure usual. What do you mean ''as per usual''. This is the first game i can remember in a long time that Basso has had a few howlers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ralph Milne Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 You expect a professional keeper to be able to kick a ball. What does he do in training? If it was Weale would already be on page 2 by now.as his misjudgement against Wolves showed. As its Basso making the mistakes better keep it quiet. Hennesey every kick got to the half way line. Basso only had to deal with one high ball flapped like a clown as pure usual. to me it looked like the wind picked up in the 2nd half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 79 Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 He has actually made a fair few mistakes this season most have not been punished luckily for us. So its not one slight dodgey performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economou Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Basso looked a mug for the goal but can't blame him, ball took on a life of it's own. Crazy game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dolman_Stand Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 He has actually made a fair few mistakes this season most have not been punished luckily for us. So its not one slight dodgey performance. WOuld you like to name some??? I'll bet you its less than any other player Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 He has actually made a fair few mistakes this season most have not been punished luckily for us. So its not one slight dodgey performance. Every Keeper will have a slightly off day, Basso has been brilliant over the past few years and like i said previously has earnt us IMO a countless number of points. At the end of the day Basso's good performances out way the bad ones by quite a fair amount. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 79 Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 to me it looked like the wind picked up in the 2nd half, you are a moron by the way. Goal against Plymouth, Thumbling against Watford are just two that come to mind their have been a few debates on Basso this season. This is a forum no need for the insults. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Ralph Milne Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Goal against Plymouth, Thumbling against Watford are just two that come to mind their have been a few debates on Basso this season. This is a forum no need for the insults. just defending the best keeper we have had in years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 79 Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'm not saying he hasn't been the best Keeper we have had in years but their are some areas he needs to work on. One is his kicking its awful and the other is crossing he does misjudge a few. Shot stopping and one on ones he first class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 You expect a professional keeper to be able to kick a ball. What does he do in training? If it was Weale would already be on page 2 by now.as his misjudgement against Wolves showed. As its Basso making the mistakes better keep it quiet. Hennesey every kick got to the half way line. Good post. Firstly I'm not saying Basso isn't a top keeper - he is and has earned us many points but I want to say that it isnt fair to slag off Weale in the molineux tie when he had made a couple of class saves before the gaff and then let Basso get away with it on the quiet. He did make a good save from Ebanks Blake but both goals were sloppy from his point of view. As you say if it was Weale there would be at least 2 pages but since its Basso no one gives a toss. Secondly Hennesey is a top keeper with a strong kick definitely one of the rising stars (who we had on loan once) that will have a long a prosperous career. I hope I'm not the only person in Ashton Gate who wants Weale to get a chance but as ever I probably am. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Good post. Not Fair to slag off Weale in the molineux tie when he had made a couple of class saves before the gaff and then let Basso get away with it on the quiet. He did make a good save from Ebanks Blake but both goals were sloppy from his point of view. As you say if it was Weale there would be at least 2 pages but since its Basso no one gives a toss. Secondly Hennesey is a top keeper with a strong kick definitely one of the rising stars (who we had on loan once) I hope I'm not the only person in Ashton Gate who wants Weale to get a chance but as ever I probably am. Bar Weales kicking abilitys which i admitt are far superior to Basso's i honestly think Basso is the better shot stopper. If you gave me a choice bewtween a keeper that can kick further or a keeper that can save shots better i know which one id go for! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Bar Weales kicking abilitys which i admitt are far superior to Basso's i honestly think Basso is the better shot stopper. If you gave me a choice bewtween a keeper that can kick further or a keeper that can save shots better i know which one id go for! That's your opinion my man, and your entitled to it. Looks like I'm alone once again... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corsham Ed Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 What about the save he pushed around the post in the second half. Awesome. Well done Basso. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodiesaffer Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 That's your opinion my man, and your more than entitled to it. Looks like I'm alone once again... no your not, given a good run in the team weale would show he's class. he will be number one soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Army 79 Posted January 17, 2009 Author Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'm not saying he hasn't been the best Keeper we have had in years but their are some areas he needs to work on. One is his kicking its awful and the other is crossing he does misjudge a few. Shot stopping and one on ones he first class. I was disapointed that Weale didnt have a more extended run in the team after the Wolves away game as it seemed on misjudgement for Weale and he's out misjudgement from Basso and its swept under the carpet. I think after the Wolves away game Basso was brought back in when he wasnt fully match fit. I would stick with Basso at the moment but its bloody close. Basso has played ok this season not to the same level as last season though. Weale comands his box better and has also pulled off a couple of unbelievable saves in the limited games he has played this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 We all know Bassos kicking isnt the best Do we? Basso was kicking into a force-scale wind, he didn't have much other option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lack of Action Man Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 no your not, given a good run in the team weale would show he's class. he will be number one soon. Yep, I agree I was disapointed that Weale didnt have a more extended run in the team after the Wolves away game as it seemed on misjudgement for Weale and he's out misjudgement from Basso and its swept under the carpet. I think after the Wolves away game Basso was brought back in when he wasnt fully match fit. I would stick with Basso at the moment but its bloody close. Basso has played ok this season not to the same level as last season though. Weale comands his box better and has also pulled off a couple of unbelievable saves in the limited games he has played this season. Very true Weale has made some outstanding saves (the one versus Derby instantly springs to mind) but we must not forget the amount of points Basso has earned us. My main point is that it isn't fair to have a 2 page thread slagging off Weale and then Basso makes a similar mistake and like you say its swept under the carpet. Two great goal keepers with Henderson to come through. Weale for number one next season? Maybe not... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 Is not Basso more a shot stopper :noexpression: than an area dominator; nothing against the guy but goalie mistakes cost where as outfield players tend to be covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Brizred Posted January 17, 2009 Share Posted January 17, 2009 I'm with you Oddball, i prefer Weale, he's the bravest of the two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windmillhillred Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Basso was kicking into a force-scale wind, he didn't have much other option. Carey offered him the short option on several occassions from goal-kicks, or he could have tried to kick flatter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man In Black Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 A flat kick was exactly what caused the second goal. I'm not usually one to moan about everything Basso does but his kicking was a real liability today. I've always said that if you could mix Weale's kicking and Basso's shot-stopping we would have by far and away the best keeper in the league. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freezer Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Goal against Plymouth, Thumbling against Watford are just two that come to mind their have been a few debates on Basso this season. This is a forum no need for the insults. What is 'Thumbling', that's a new one on me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windmillhillred Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 A flat kick was exactly what caused the second goal. Yes, fair enough, but that was propoer flat. He also had an easy short option in Orr, which would have been more sensible. McAllister, for example, wasn't having any probs pinging the ball forwrad semi-flat, so to speak. My frustration was his kicking from goal kicks when we were chasing the game, and the ball would balloon up and evade everyone on the way back down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest lobster Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Not one for the scrapbook for Basso but I'm prepared to give them some leeway as the conditions were pretty exceptional. Also, he's saved us a lot of points over the last few years and made a good save to keep us in it in the second half. Great effort and spirit from the team in the second half considering we were two down to the leaders after two confidence-draining mistakes and playing into the wind. Always believe! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 You expect a professional keeper to be able to kick a ball. What does he do in training? If it was Weale would already be on page 2 by now.as his misjudgement against Wolves showed. As its Basso making the mistakes better keep it quiet. Hennesey every kick got to the half way line. Basso only had to deal with one high ball flapped like a clown as pure usual. I don't know if you noticed but the wind increased three fold in the second half, it also started to pour down. I have played in conditions like that and it aint easy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cidercity Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Carey offered him the short option on several occassions from goal-kicks, or he could have tried to kick flatter. Have you ever played in conditions like that ??? Yes louis did, but he had a Wolves player up his arse every time. Kick flatter don't make me laugh.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barry Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Keepers get a rough deal as its all too easy to point out the mistakes that cost us goals. If someone misses a glorious chance at the other end, that would effectively cost us a goal, but i bet there wouldn't be anywhere near the level of criticism as for a keepers errors! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew Peacock Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Kick flatter don't make me laugh.... I agree, joke. He doesn't have the technique so he can't. He didn't even wait for gusts to drop a little either which he should have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grifty Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Do we? Basso was kicking into a force-scale wind, he didn't have much other option. I'm sorry but "force-scale" wind made me laugh. I'm pretty sure you meant gale force. I prefer your one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 no your not, given a good run in the team weale would show he's class. he will be number one soon. Think you're far from right there. Basso's a better keeper and IMO Weale seems to have a fitness issue, i.e. when he was at Hereford on loan he picked up an injury and little things like that seem to have happened before, which will prevent him having a run in the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Man In Black Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Yes, fair enough, but that was propoer flat. He also had an easy short option in Orr, which would have been more sensible. McAllister, for example, wasn't having any probs pinging the ball forwrad semi-flat, so to speak. My frustration was his kicking from goal kicks when we were chasing the game, and the ball would balloon up and evade everyone on the way back down. That's true, Orr was positively screaming for it and was wide open. As soon as he fluffed the kick and the Wolves player collected it I knew it was going to be a goal (and what a well taken goal too). I'm not sure if it was a bench decision when we were chasing the game but Basso was constantly imploring the team to get narrower for kicks before trying to launch it high and long - even if Orr was in acres of room Basso was gesturing for him to move away from the touchline. Not sure if he/GJ were trying to make the most of the unpredictable conditions - it was frustrating at the time but in hindsight Wolves were clearly uncomfortable with the unpredictable balls. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest City Chuds Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Not one but two HOWLERS. He didnt have the best game despite the fact he did pull off some good saves. Every player in our team has had a bad game from time to time, and Basso had his yesterday. And now all of a sudden we have heard a few threads about Weale being better. Firstly Basso was awesome last season not to mention deserved player of the year. We have this guy to thank for our success last year (not on his own before the comments start flying in but he certainly provided more than his fair share). Weale had a howler earlier on in the season, cant remember who against. I would give the guy a break he deserves it. We have two very good keepers (both better than we have had in a long time) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
somered Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Ok conditions were awful for Keepers but surely we should expect better from Basso. First Goal total misjudgement second terrible kick. Wolves Keeper didnt seem to have these problems. Thank god for the excellent team performance getting Basso off the hook after gifting top of the table a 2-0 lead. I know let's get Flapper back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pederho ll Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Give Basso a break. He has been excellent for us ever since he joined and to start doubting his ability or position after conceding two goals in absolutely shocking conditions is no short of ridiculous. He has made save after amazing save for us this campaign and last seaon's (and the season before that) and for some of you to start stating that Weale would be better after a run in the team is nonsense and does nothing but begin to undermine our current number one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Two howlers for Basso gave the opposition their goals yesterday (though he wasn't the only one to contribute to the second) and we should expect better. However one bad game is all it is, we know he's a quality keeper that's played exceptionally well on lots of occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest AtyeoCardy Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Some things about Basso really annoy me. He is quite clearly a world class shot-stopper. But when I have seen the team train, that is all he does. He misjudges crosses, he can't kick properly. He is a prima donna, he won't wear the goalkeeper kit, he buys his own and applies the sponser and puma badge himself. He needs to realise what he is: an AVERAGE championship goalkeeper, because great saves are all well and good... But if you cant deal with long balls and crosses or even kick! You cant be a good keeper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roger Red Hat Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Some things about Basso really annoy me. He is quite clearly a world class shot-stopper. But when I have seen the team train, that is all he does. He misjudges crosses, he can't kick properly. He is a prima donna, he won't wear the goalkeeper kit, he buys his own and applies the sponser and puma badge himself. He needs to realise what he is: an AVERAGE championship goalkeeper, because great saves are all well and good... But if you cant deal with long balls and crosses or even kick! You cant be a good keeper. Does this REALLY bother you, seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pederho ll Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Some things about Basso really annoy me. He is quite clearly a world class shot-stopper. But when I have seen the team train, that is all he does. He misjudges crosses, he can't kick properly. He is a prima donna, he won't wear the goalkeeper kit, he buys his own and applies the sponser and puma badge himself. He needs to realise what he is: an AVERAGE championship goalkeeper, because great saves are all well and good... But if you cant deal with long balls and crosses or even kick! You cant be a good keeper. So in your post he goes from being World Class to not even a good keeper. Utter rubbish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSN Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 That's your opinion my man, and your entitled to it. Looks like I'm alone once again... you are deffinately not alone, and I would guess it's a lot more near 50/50 than you would imagine. But isn't is great to have two top keepers at the club. Basso is an outstanding keeper at this level, but Weale has the prospects of being a Premier League keeper. I guess it's only a matter of time until Weale will be given a run in the 1st team.... I just don't think that yesterdays howlers by Basso will make any difference in Johnsons mind when and where to give Weale his opportunity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eamer Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 What about the save he pushed around the post in the second half. Awesome. Well done Basso. It looked like it was going wide anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest wheres your caravan?? Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 On several occasions this season Basso's performances have been well below acceptable. Palace away he was flapping all over the place, they scored twice from corners he came for and didn't get, one goal was disallowed. Plymouth at home, absolute howler. Yesterday not one but two howlers. Swansea at home, flapping at a cross. How many times this season has he had good games? Starting to show his age IMO. Weale should be given a long run in the side. Weale is not as good shot stopper as Basso, but his kicking, communication and ability to come and collect crosses is far superior to Basso's. Weale should be number one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LSN Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 It looked like it was going wide anyway. it was going in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Port Said Red Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Hennessey is supposed to be the best 'keeper in this league, so I suppose all the Wolves fans will be calling for him to be dropped after Dele beat him at the near post....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdgifford64 Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Quite possibly the highest profile position in any side. Might explain why so many good keepers are such nutters in one way or another. Have a blinder and you`re just doing your job, make a couple of howlers and you`re being retired. In the interest of equality how about we give Maynard a rest for a while seeing as he put that effort over the bar when it was easier to stick it in the net. Alright, he played Dele in for the 1st and looked composed for the equaliser, but thats his job isn`t it. It`s frightening how quickly people seize on an opportunity when it arises. Makes you wonder if they spend the whole match just hoping for their `target` to c**k it up so they can rush home and post their thread. Be it Basso, LJ or whomever there will always be someone to have a pop at more often than not. AB is a very good keeper and i`m glad to have him here as No1. He`s not getting any younger, thats for sure, and i`m equally happy to have Weale as back up. It`s a godforsaken position where you`re more likely to be the center of attention for a c**k up than blinding save. I`m sure if someone could be bothered to trawl through the threads you find that Basso appears when he`s made an error, i certainly can`t recall one that sets out to praise him. PDG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forbespm Posted January 18, 2009 Share Posted January 18, 2009 Good post. Firstly I'm not saying Basso isn't a top keeper - he is and has earned us many points but I want to say that it isnt fair to slag off Weale in the molineux tie when he had made a couple of class saves before the gaff and then let Basso get away with it on the quiet. He did make a good save from Ebanks Blake but both goals were sloppy from his point of view. As you say if it was Weale there would be at least 2 pages but since its Basso no one gives a toss. Secondly Hennesey is a top keeper with a strong kick definitely one of the rising stars (who we had on loan once) that will have a long a prosperous career. I hope I'm not the only person in Ashton Gate who wants Weale to get a chance but as ever I probably am. no your not.i prefer weale to basso.basso came back after weale's mistake and made a mistake within minutes of the plymouth game but nothing was said. basso is an average keeper,no more no less.i/ve never understood his hero worship. very dodgy on crosses to say the least!however i get behind him when he plays. would just prefer weale Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest albert2 Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Basso is a class keeper, just had an off day in conditions which did not help him . As for Weale , how can anybody judge how good he is , he goes to the same school of fitness as Steve Brooker and picks up a ridiculous amount of injuries for a keeper, was signed injured and has spent alot of the time with us the same way. Another wage packet for no return most of the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest evered-e Posted January 19, 2009 Share Posted January 19, 2009 Thank god he`s not related to the manager!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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