CliftonCliff Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Im not sure he has done anything to forgive.He has long stated that he wants to play in the premiere league and GJ has said that Basso is convinced that a premiere league club will come in for him.I still believe he would give his all if picked.I agree totally with the dissapointment in the timing and to me this is the worst of what has happened.I wish him all the best in the future,i just fear he has made a big mistake.I just hope it all works out for everyone concerned.As soon (or should i say "IF") as he runs out with a city top on,he will have my support,simple as! Well, you're certainly right about one thing - he has made a mistake; a bloody huge one, in fact. And with respect, I think you making one as well, if you believe that Basso will appear for City again in the forseeable future, if ever. The manager's view has been made abundantly clear: his services are no longer required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Economou Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Well, you're certainly right about one thing - he has made a mistake; a bloody huge one, in fact. And with respect, I think you making one as well, if you believe that Basso will appear for City again in the forseeable future, if ever. The manager's view has been made abundantly clear: his services are no longer required. In his press conference he didn't rule out Basso not appearing again, only that it would be difficult. Admittedly it would be very difficult but if Gerken isn't up to it and results don't go for us, then he could be back, assuming no one's come in for him of course. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 For all those who say the club should be trying more, the paper tonight quotes GJ saying: 'we've given Basso every chance to sign a new deal and retract his request and nothing has changed. No-one has come in for him and at the moment it's looking like a bad decision It's bad for him, bad for the club, and bad all round. It's a poor situation, but that's gone now. We're looking to bring in another keeper and we need to move on and look to the future Sounds pretty fair, and final, to me. Yes the piece was written by Stockhausen, (you know the rest)! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 As Basso is still under contract with us I cant really see why he still cant play for us? has he said he wont? seems toys are going out the pram on both sides. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chappers Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 If City are paying his wages, and he is the best goalkeeper at the Club. Simple really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 He has refused an improved new contract and handed in a written transfer request. Sounds to me that it's clear he doesn't want to play for this club. Why should he have to state the bleedin obvious ? Bleedin obvious really hes under a signed contract to play for us, so he has to if picked, he may not want to end his days here thats his choice; a contracts a contract a contract and as we are honouring it by paying him so should he. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I wouldn't dare suggest that if Basso was picked he wouldn't play like an upmost professional...but it's a brave person, or a fool, that would force a clearly unhappy player who is in dispute with the club, to go in goal of all places. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I wouldn't dare suggest that if Basso was picked he wouldn't play like an upmost professional...but it's a brave person, or a fool, that would force a clearly unhappy player who is in dispute with the club, to go in goal of all places. I work on dozens of contracts each year and have/would never not do my best in any of them just because I believed there was a better one around the corner. I.M.H.O. all positions are vital and all are taken up by pro footballers, there must be a bit of sour grapes in this instance but hey, one life we move on to the next drama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 I think why most people don't want him now is the fact that it's all about money he would move to another championship team for more money so that's not exactly improving yourself just your bank balance for him. i would be happy with a full apoligy to the fans and squad and a new contract on current salary but neither ain't going to happen Oh would he, where'd you hear that from then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenun Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 With all the talk of GJ saying he's not in our plans right now and it's hard to see him coming back, even if he withdraws his transfer request. He hasn't said it's impossible. So, what would it take for you, as supporters to forgive and forget (assuming that no one comes in for him and he has no other options) A full apology? Sign a new 4 year deal with no pay increase A pay cut?!?! Anything? What would it take for you? This really is a no-win situation for club or player. In Basso's defence the best way to encourage a potential buyer is to see their prospect perform well between the sticks. That way the asset maintains or increases their value in full view of watching scouts. On the other hand Basso is fully aware of Johnson's desire to tie down players well in advance of their contract expiry date, and as we've recently been made aware that talks have been ongoing for a number of months meant that something had to give or the Brazilian stopper would be placed on the transfer list. Despite this and being party to Orr's treatment last season, Basso still decided to take his agent's advice (probably) and hand in a written request, so who's sorry now? The bloody fans, that's who. We're the losers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
City fan 1982 Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 blame lee johnson !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 blame lee johnson !!! He's not in goal on Saturday, is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adge's Cider Mug Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Thought we were done with this, but it won't go away will it? Said it before; I'll say it again. Sometimes it's not what's done - it's how it's done. Just about everyone who's posted has made it clear that as football followers we all respect a player's ambition and right to try to further his career, regardless of whether the primary motivation is money or a desire to play at a higher level - or both. Basso's problem is there is a widespread and persistent suspicion that he is guilty of a certain degree of underhandedness in the way he's gone about this. Whether this is actually true is something that the average supporter is never likely to know, and in any case is partly a matter of perception rather than just plain fact. The most unfavourable interpretation (to Basso, that is) is that he has (a) been petulant and threatened to leave whenever there has been any suggestion that he might not be immediately restored to the team after missing games for whatever reason, even though Weale might have done nothing wrong in his absence; (b) deliberately waited until he's successfully seen off his closest rival for the jersey, and until the new season is about to start, before handing in a written request at a time calculated to put the manager and chairman over a barrel in regard to contract negotiations. The best guides we have, and are ever likely to have, as to the accuracy or otherwise of this version of events are the reactions of Johnson and Lansdown. Neither man is a mug and neither is likely to cut to cut off his nose to spite his face by letting a good keeper go over some minor spat. Both appear to be terminally peed off with him and one can draw certain conclusions from that. The most recent comments I've seen from Johnson on the matter (on BBC Sport website) clearly indicate that Basso has burnt his boats with City. I think he's played his last game here and I am among those who think this is the right course of action now that things have reached the stage that they have. Reinstate him, and what message does it send to the rest of the squad? That you can take the mickey and get away with it? I don't think so. I know the unexpected can happen in football and you never say never, etc. etc., but I really do think we've reached the end of the road. Let it go. Great post. Totally agree (although it saddens me). Basso is no more. Move on with a new keeper - unfortunately Gerken doesn't fill me with huge confidence, particularly seeing some of the goals conceded pre-season. But we'll see... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozo Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Bradley Orr did a U-turn so I don't see why Basso can't unless ego (both of Adraiano and Gary) comes into play. Johnson is a kind of socialist dictator when it comes to football, but many great managers have been. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronnie Sinclair Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 Why are we still harping on about Basso, a fortnight after this debacle started? Whilst I admire what he has done for us in the past, it is exactly that - the past. For every person here who wants him back in the team there is another who can't wait for him to be gone. While it would be nice if this had a nice happy ending I bloody doubt this will happen so it's time to look to the future and the next worthy successor to the gloves - whether that be Gerken, Henderson or A.N. Other. Time to let Basso go, not cling on to the faint hope this will all disappear and the garden becomes rosy again. If he plays another game at this club I will personally eat my replica shirt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Ass Posted August 4, 2009 Report Share Posted August 4, 2009 With all the talk of GJ saying he's not in our plans right now and it's hard to see him coming back, even if he withdraws his transfer request. He hasn't said it's impossible. So, what would it take for you, as supporters to forgive and forget (assuming that no one comes in for him and he has no other options) A full apology? Sign a new 4 year deal with no pay increase A pay cut?!?! Anything? What would it take for you? Just let the money grabbing dreamer rot in the...............well on the bench for the reserves and never ever give him a game! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Belgrave Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 Thought we were done with this, but it won't go away will it? Said it before; I'll say it again. Sometimes it's not what's done - it's how it's done Just about everyone who's posted has made it clear that as football followers we all respect a player's ambition and right to try to further his career, regardless of whether the primary motivation is money or a desire to play at a higher level - or both. Basso's problem is there is a widespread and persistent suspicion that he is guilty of a certain degree of underhandedness in the way he's gone about this. Whether this is actually true is something that the average supporter is never likely to know, and in any case is partly a matter of perception rather than just plain fact. The most unfavourable interpretation (to Basso, that is) is that he has (a) been petulant and threatened to leave whenever there has been any suggestion that he might not be immediately restored to the team after missing games for whatever reason, even though Weale might have done nothing wrong in his absence; (b) deliberately waited until he's successfully seen off his closest rival for the jersey, and until the new season is about to start, before handing in a written request at a time calculated to put the manager and chairman over a barrel in regard to contract negotiations The best guides we have, and are ever likely to have, as to the accuracy or otherwise of this version of events are the reactions of Johnson and Lansdown. Neither man is a mug and neither is likely to cut to cut off his nose to spite his face by letting a good keeper go over some minor spat. Both appear to be terminally peed off with him and one can draw certain conclusions from that. The most recent comments I've seen from Johnson on the matter (on BBC Sport website) clearly indicate that Basso has burnt his boats with City. I think he's played his last game here and I am among those who think this is the right course of action now that things have reached the stage that they have. Reinstate him, and what message does it send to the rest of the squad? That you can take the mickey and get away with it? I don't think so. I know the unexpected can happen in football and you never say never, etc. etc., but I really do thin we've reached the end of the road. Let it go. A very perceptive post that seems, from this distance, to summarise the situation precisely. It should be said ,though, that if it was Basso's crowning ambition to play Premier League football then he should have stayed exactly where he was. It's very sad, really. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Axbridge Red Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 U turn Will it be good for all concerned It happened with Orr I wonder what will happen in the next 24 hrs ?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest MaloneFM Posted August 5, 2009 Report Share Posted August 5, 2009 So back to the topic. What would it take for me to accept Basso back into my stone black cold heart? Chocolates? Flowers? A sobbing apology followed by a three course slap up meal and breakfast the following morning? Having my back scratched just how I want it? None of the above. A few clean sheets, couple of decent saves. Just for him to get on with his job. Footballers are not real people when they are getting far more than they should be and we have accepted far worse than this on the judas scale *cough* BEADLE AND WARD *cough*. And forgiven both of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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