downendcity Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 When I set off from home late this afternoon, I was looking forward to seeing the team for the first time this season although I must admit that was also slightly concerned about our chances given the feedback about perfromances on here recently. All I can say is that's the last time I rely on my sat nav, as heaven's knows where it took me this evening! I did get to see a game of football, but I don't know who I was watching as the away team ( coincidentally they did wear red strip like City) played some really good football, scored 2 goals in the first half ( if only City could do that) and pretty well controlled the game to ran out well deserved winners. All in all it was a thoroughly enjoyable evening, only spoiled because I still don't know how City got on althoungh I doubt they did as well as the team I watched this evening!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
citylad05 Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 wasnt watching man utd by any chance? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eddie Hitler Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 The constructive criticism worked then. Starting Sproule and playing with width were two of the things that many on here were calling for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 The constructive criticism worked then. Starting Sproule and playing with width were two of the things that many on here were calling for. This was my first game of the season, so I can't make direct comparison with previous games but I would say that having Orr back was pretty important, as it allowed Skuse to play in his best position. Also, funnily enough Ivan was most effective when running in to out, rather than just hugging the touchline. But playing Sproule on the right, Sno seemed not necessarily to play central midfield, but he did seem to be involved in everything - his ability to see a through pass is brilliant, and we just need to get a few of the other players on his wavelength. He seemed to have a floating role, and was involved all over the pitch butb this was because of the way Hartley and Skuse supported him and did the hard graft. My one observation is that Sno is obviously used to being given more time and space on the ball, because he seems to want the ball to come on to him rather than going to the ball when it is passed or knocked up to him. He doesn't seem to jump when going for headers as he likes to take the ball on his chest, and seems always to back into a defender when taking a pass. If he moved to the ball more he would give himself that extra yard of space and time. That's nit picvking, because he does look to be a class act. As for his stamina, he ran pretty well the length of the pitch to get on the end of the passing move for the third goal, so I don't see too much of a problem - although perhaps the weight of all that hair tires him more quickly than other players. After all Ive read on here, and recent results, I was not over optimistic about last night. While I accept that recent games did not feature the same selction and formation as yesterday, I have to say that if they contnue to play like that we should have little to worry about. However, what will the reaction be when Ivan has an off day, or tougher teams don't allow us to dominate as we did yesterday? Ivan showed yesterday the two sides of his game - a great goal but also some dodgy first touches. I would also credit him with some tremendous tracking back to make saving tackles. He is a confidence player, and playing his type of game he will try things that don't always come off, and if we want to see perfromances like yesterday's, then fans need to stay off his back when it doesn't quite go to plan, otherwise he will just play it safe and we lose a great asset top the team. Finally, last night convinced me that I really must try and get to more games, as there is nothing to beat the sense of elation at seeing such a performance and result in the atmosphere created by a few hundred like minded fans. Well there is, but that's with no one watching and I don't wear a wooly hat to keep warm - well I do, but only when it's my birthaday! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 When I set off from home late this afternoon, I was looking forward to seeing the team for the first time this season although I must admit that was also slightly concerned about our chances given the feedback about perfromances on here recently. All I can say is that's the last time I rely on my sat nav, as heaven's knows where it took me this evening! I did get to see a game of football, but I don't know who I was watching as the away team ( coincidentally they did wear red strip like City) played some really good football, scored 2 goals in the first half ( if only City could do that) and pretty well controlled the game to ran out well deserved winners. All in all it was a thoroughly enjoyable evening, only spoiled because I still don't know how City got on althoungh I doubt they did as well as the team I watched this evening!! You're lucky then - the rest of us have had to put up with some dire stuff at the Gate this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 You're lucky then - the rest of us have had to put up with some dire stuff at the Gate this season. poor poor you. Maybe you should support Man Utd or Arsenal? They could guarantee you something that Bristol City cant.... Brilliant football week in week out.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 poor poor you. Maybe you should support Man Utd or Arsenal? They could guarantee you something that Bristol City cant.... Brilliant football week in week out.. Sadly RIAZ your "suggestion" for lack of a better name is a reality for some of the floating fans we acquired which is a big part of why our gates are down 2k. Surely as a superfan you shouldn't be wanting further damage to the club by even more reduced attendances? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
42nite Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 poor poor you. Maybe you should support Man Utd or Arsenal? They could guarantee you something that Bristol City cant.... Brilliant football week in week out.. Or buy some rose tinted specs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Sadly RIAZ your "suggestion" for lack of a better name is a reality for some of the floating fans we acquired which is a big part of why our gates are down 2k. Surely as a superfan you shouldn't be wanting further damage to the club by even more reduced attendances? Me superfan?? yeah right! Point is, If your going to support Bristol City you cant expect things to be perfect... If you want a team who always gets results by playing brilliant football - then Bristol City are not the team for you... Furthermore, our manager's job depends on the results... thats the main concern... If performances come along with that great - If not, tough shit. Our fan base have a inflated view of our club at the moment... we are still a small club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 You're lucky then - the rest of us have had to put up with some dire stuff at the Gate this season. I started watching City in 1967. From then until a year or so before we got promotion, season after season seemed to be a constant fight against relegation, and I had to watch come pretty dire stuff then as well. Dropping to division 4 was pretty dire as well. I can cope with watchingn dire when we are in the upper reachjes of the championship, given that in my 55 years we have spent only 6/7 years at this level or higher. Family and financial circumstances mean that I havent been able to get to any games this season until yersterday, and only a few last. I envy you guys who can go to AG every other week, because I can remember through all those dire seasons in the late 60's and early 70's that I still looked foreward to every match with jujst the same keen anticipation, and however we had been playing. One thing I learned a long time ago, is that supporting City involves an acceptance that for most of the time the experience will be frustrating and disappointing. There will be moments of elation and sucess, and when they come the frustration and disappointment makes it all the more enjoyable, just like last night. Me lucky? No, your the lucky one, it's just that you don't realise how lucky you are. If I wanted guaranteed entertainment and regular sucess I would follow Man U. Train fair to Manchester, £60. Food and drink, £50. Match ticket, £40. Supporting Bristol City - Priceless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 The constructive criticism worked then. Starting Sproule and playing with width were two of the things that many on here were calling for. Others also called for Gary to be sacked, accused millen of being a yes man, that Lee J is only playing because his dads the manager and many many other scenarios that are way off the mark. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Me lucky? No, your the lucky one, it's just that you don't realise how lucky you are. If I wanted guaranteed entertainment and regular sucess I would follow Man U. Train fair to Manchester, £60. Food and drink, £50. Match ticket, £40. Supporting Bristol City - Priceless! TOP MAN Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Others also called for Gary to be sacked, accused millen of being a yes man, that Lee J is only playing because his dads the manager and many many other scenarios that are way off the mark. Most of this is the minority , if you had read properly most were just saying we need width and were worried about our form than calling for the head of anyone. We all want the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whale Eye Beef Hooked Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 Me superfan?? yeah right! Point is, If your going to support Bristol City you cant expect things to be perfect... If you want a team who always gets results by playing brilliant football - then Bristol City are not the team for you... Furthermore, our manager's job depends on the results... thats the main concern... If performances come along with that great - If not, tough shit. Our fan base have a inflated view of our club at the moment... we are still a small club. Absolutly spot on Riaz We are still a small club, but we needed to get to the championship which we have and the next step is to become an astablished championship club which we are doing very nicely. To be involved in and around the playoffs from the moment we started until now is nothing short of amazing. Instead of enjoying the ride we have to put up with some of the negative and abusive rubbish that some un-happy people put on here. Just look at teams like Sheff Wed , Derby, Reading, Ipswhich, Preston, and QPR that are bigger than us and are sat mid table or below and have been for a while ( preston the exception ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sodburyred Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I started watching City in 1967. From then until a year or so before we got promotion, season after season seemed to be a constant fight against relegation, and I had to watch come pretty dire stuff then as well. Dropping to division 4 was pretty dire as well. I can cope with watchingn dire when we are in the upper reachjes of the championship, given that in my 55 years we have spent only 6/7 years at this level or higher. Family and financial circumstances mean that I havent been able to get to any games this season until yersterday, and only a few last. I envy you guys who can go to AG every other week, because I can remember through all those dire seasons in the late 60's and early 70's that I still looked foreward to every match with jujst the same keen anticipation, and however we had been playing. One thing I learned a long time ago, is that supporting City involves an acceptance that for most of the time the experience will be frustrating and disappointing. There will be moments of elation and sucess, and when they come the frustration and disappointment makes it all the more enjoyable, just like last night. Me lucky? No, your the lucky one, it's just that you don't realise how lucky you are. If I wanted guaranteed entertainment and regular sucess I would follow Man U. Train fair to Manchester, £60. Food and drink, £50. Match ticket, £40. Supporting Bristol City - Priceless! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I started watching City in 1967. From then until a year or so before we got promotion, season after season seemed to be a constant fight against relegation, and I had to watch come pretty dire stuff then as well. Dropping to division 4 was pretty dire as well. I can cope with watchingn dire when we are in the upper reachjes of the championship, given that in my 55 years we have spent only 6/7 years at this level or higher. Family and financial circumstances mean that I havent been able to get to any games this season until yersterday, and only a few last. I envy you guys who can go to AG every other week, because I can remember through all those dire seasons in the late 60's and early 70's that I still looked foreward to every match with jujst the same keen anticipation, and however we had been playing. One thing I learned a long time ago, is that supporting City involves an acceptance that for most of the time the experience will be frustrating and disappointing. There will be moments of elation and sucess, and when they come the frustration and disappointment makes it all the more enjoyable, just like last night. Me lucky? No, your the lucky one, it's just that you don't realise how lucky you are. If I wanted guaranteed entertainment and regular sucess I would follow Man U. Train fair to Manchester, £60. Food and drink, £50. Match ticket, £40. Supporting Bristol City - Priceless! This is very profound. One thing I've never understood is how do ManUre fans enjoy the game? They expect to be in the top 2 of the Premierbore. They expect to be in the final of one or more cups throughout a season. Where are their downs so they can enjoy their (many) ups??? I'm ecstatic if we win 1-3 away at Leicester. I've decided to take pity on ManUre fans. It must be tough winning all the time. Somewhat analogous to Tiger Woods who clearly sought something else in his life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 Artistic licence for effect Sodbury. At the moment it could stretch to half a crown, for a bottle of pop and a sherbert dab. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cswhitlock Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I am really beginning to believe that the next poster of the year should be da da dada da daaaaaaaa RIAZ Mate you really do talk some sense and it is so about time on this forum. Yes we all want our team to win (i think) Yes we would all love the accolade and plaudits that come with success but the fact of the matter is unless you support a top 7-10 Prem team that success is going to be limited also some seem to think because and i am not sure who said that we should be the man utd of the south west that we are on a par with those teams. Success is relative to where you are the size of the club and unity amongst the natives. Man utd have 40+ years of european and english success liverpool arsenal all of them have seen falls we have been top flight on 2 occasions in our history. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 This is very profound. One thing I've never understood is how do ManUre fans enjoy the game? They expect to be in the top 2 of the Premierbore. They expect to be in the final of one or more cups throughout a season. Where are their downs so they can enjoy their (many) ups??? I'm ecstatic if we win 1-3 away at Leicester. I've decided to take pity on ManUre fans. It must be tough winning all the time. Somewhat analogous to Tiger Woods who clearly sought something else in his life. Turn it on it's head Chivs. Imagine how loyal longsuffering Rochdalel fans, for instance, would feel if they read our forum and the City fans bemoaning theteam that's 8th in the championship. Those poor b*****s have never even had any ups to compensate for the downs and must wonder just what we have to moan about! Re Man U. To be fair they do have proper fans, who I am sure feel just the way about their club as we do about ours and don't forget that many of them had a quarter of a century without winning the league and relegation to Div 2, while their biggest rivals cleaned up. However, the glory hunters seem to take take enjoyment from gloating about their sucess on every message board they can get on, and treat most other clubs with apparent distain and an air of superiority. Tiger Woods seems to be a lot like BCFC, as both seem to have ***** up far to often when they seemed to be on to a good thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SimplyRed Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I started watching City in 1967. From then until a year or so before we got promotion, season after season seemed to be a constant fight against relegation, and I had to watch come pretty dire stuff then as well. Dropping to division 4 was pretty dire as well. I can cope with watchingn dire when we are in the upper reachjes of the championship, given that in my 55 years we have spent only 6/7 years at this level or higher. Family and financial circumstances mean that I havent been able to get to any games this season until yersterday, and only a few last. I envy you guys who can go to AG every other week, because I can remember through all those dire seasons in the late 60's and early 70's that I still looked foreward to every match with jujst the same keen anticipation, and however we had been playing. One thing I learned a long time ago, is that supporting City involves an acceptance that for most of the time the experience will be frustrating and disappointing. There will be moments of elation and sucess, and when they come the frustration and disappointment makes it all the more enjoyable, just like last night. Me lucky? No, your the lucky one, it's just that you don't realise how lucky you are. If I wanted guaranteed entertainment and regular sucess I would follow Man U. Train fair to Manchester, £60. Food and drink, £50. Match ticket, £40. Supporting Bristol City - Priceless! I've never understood this reverse snobbery stuff. People like me, who dare to criticise the manager, get stick for not towing the party line, being fickle and demanding perfection. Yet the so-called 'superfans' and diehards that can see no wrong seem to wallow in the fact that 'we are a small club' and that we 'struggle to improve' and 'we are not a big club in the Premier League' and predictably the critics get told to 'go and support Man U if you want perfection'. Why? What is this 'snobbery' that says we are a small club and have to eternally struggle to achieve success and we have to be grateful for that? What is so wrong about wanting your team to improve and be up there with the best? What is wrong about wanting your team to play the likes of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool week in, week out? Why should we accept that being a Bristol City fan means you have to accept 'your lot' and suffer poor performances? If those of us who supported City in the 70's had that attitude, would we ever have reached the top tier for those precious four seasons? Why can't we get there again? Most of the fans who criticise the manager do so because they want to see our club successful and are frustrated, and angered, by the manager's apparent blindness to things that seem to be wrong with the team that everyone else can see except him. You can accept your lot if you wish, but don't be a 'reverse snob' and berate those who aspire to even greater success. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I've never understood this reverse snobbery stuff. People like me, who dare to criticise the manager, get stick for not towing the party line, being fickle and demanding perfection. Yet the so-called 'superfans' and diehards that can see no wrong seem to wallow in the fact that 'we are a small club' and that we 'struggle to improve' and 'we are not a big club in the Premier League' and predictably the critics get told to 'go and support Man U if you want perfection'. Why? What is this 'snobbery' that says we are a small club and have to eternally struggle to achieve success and we have to be grateful for that? What is so wrong about wanting your team to improve and be up there with the best? What is wrong about wanting your team to play the likes of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool week in, week out? Why should we accept that being a Bristol City fan means you have to accept 'your lot' and suffer poor performances? If those of us who supported City in the 70's had that attitude, would we ever have reached the top tier for those precious four seasons? Why can't we get there again? Most of the fans who criticise the manager do so because they want to see our club successful and are frustrated, and angered, by the manager's apparent blindness to things that seem to be wrong with the team that everyone else can see except him. You can accept your lot if you wish, but don't be a 'reverse snob' and berate those who aspire to even greater success. Absolute rubbish again. I'm not accepting "our lot" - I can see progress at this football club. We are currently a small club - but we have manager and chairmen who are trying to make us a big club... YOU ARE FICKLE. You expect success NOW and expect us to play brilliant football. My expectation at the moment is at least stay in the championship - preferably in the top half and hopefully get into the play-offs... With the long term expectation of Premier League football..... Very realistic with SL & GJ at the club.... My expectation is also NOT to get sucked in to a relegation battle - if we did then GJ's job would be then questionable. You sum up the average fickle fan.... NOW NOW NOW - instant success. Have a look om the rovers forum - they have em. Top half league one... fans questioning the managers position Leicester lose two on the bounce and their fans questioning the managers position... All 3 managers have done a brilliant jobs at thier respective clubs. Fickle fans like you and robbored bring down the club. But I suppose all clubs have em. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 I've never understood this reverse snobbery stuff. People like me, who dare to criticise the manager, get stick for not towing the party line, being fickle and demanding perfection. Yet the so-called 'superfans' and diehards that can see no wrong seem to wallow in the fact that 'we are a small club' and that we 'struggle to improve' and 'we are not a big club in the Premier League' and predictably the critics get told to 'go and support Man U if you want perfection'. Why? What is this 'snobbery' that says we are a small club and have to eternally struggle to achieve success and we have to be grateful for that? What is so wrong about wanting your team to improve and be up there with the best? What is wrong about wanting your team to play the likes of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool week in, week out? Why should we accept that being a Bristol City fan means you have to accept 'your lot' and suffer poor performances? If those of us who supported City in the 70's had that attitude, would we ever have reached the top tier for those precious four seasons? Why can't we get there again? Most of the fans who criticise the manager do so because they want to see our club successful and are frustrated, and angered, by the manager's apparent blindness to things that seem to be wrong with the team that everyone else can see except him. You can accept your lot if you wish, but don't be a 'reverse snob' and berate those who aspire to even greater success. You have a very good point and well thought out post and thats the difference between you and the majority that come on here demanding success, spouting lies, pointing out the obvious but with no answers to how to fix those problems and then demanding that GJ gets the sack. There is a way to present an opinion and most people on here be it miserable Fu**ers or happy clappers don't ever seem to find the right balance in there own argument. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Colby-Tit Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 At the moment it could stretch to half a crown, for a bottle of pop and a sherbert dab. You can't even afford the dib? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 You expect success NOW and expect us to play brilliant football. What on earth gives you that impression? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 What on earth gives you that impression? The results are adequate, but he (like many) is moaning about the style of play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
windmillhillred Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 The constructive criticism worked then. Starting Sproule and playing with width were two of the things that many on here were calling for. Not true, actually. People have certainly be calling for width for some time, but Sproule to start? I think not. SJC asked posters what their team would be against Ipswich. This was long after the problem of lack of width had been raised. 43 posters either suggested a team or agreed with other poster's versions of the preferred line-up. Six out of 43 wanted Sproule to start. So, we got it wrong, the manager got it right...! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 The results are adequate, but he (like many) is moaning about the style of play. The results over the last six weeks have been relegation form - but that aside how did you manage to turn "moaning about style of play" into demanding brilliant football and success now? You are massively exaggerating again just so you can have a pop at another fan who wants the best for his football club. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 The results over the last six weeks have been relegation form - but that aside how did you manage to turn "moaning about style of play" into demanding brilliant football and success now? You are massively exaggerating again just so you can have a pop at another fan who wants the best for his football club. Why? oh that old chesnut. "relegation form" we had this last season... teams have good form and bad form. Your are clever enough to know that... We are 8th in the league and people are moaning about the style of play.... So what do they want exactly?? brilliant football to go with the results.. no exaggeration there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pezo Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 The results over the last six weeks have been relegation form - but that aside how did you manage to turn "moaning about style of play" into demanding brilliant football and success now? You are massively exaggerating again just so you can have a pop at another fan who wants the best for his football club. Why? what and you would say that some of the lies that have been posted on here since are not massive over exaggerations? These "supporters" that boo our own players - was that having the clubs best interests at heart? or just because they were being rather selfish and throwing there toys out the pram because GJ or the players in question didn't do what they wanted when they wanted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 what and you would say that some of the lies that have been posted on here since are not massive over exaggerations? These "supporters" that boo our own players - was that having the clubs best interests at heart? or just because they were being rather selfish because trowing there toys out the pram because GJ or the player in question didn't do what they wanted when they wanted. What are you on about? What lies? Some people have been critical of our selections and style of play. Those views could be considered somewhat vindicated after we made significant changes to selections and style of play last night and reaped the rewards. But so what? Why do people need to exaggerate those views into something they never were and turn what could be an interesting debate into pathetic personal digs? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted December 9, 2009 Author Share Posted December 9, 2009 I've never understood this reverse snobbery stuff. People like me, who dare to criticise the manager, get stick for not towing the party line, being fickle and demanding perfection. Yet the so-called 'superfans' and diehards that can see no wrong seem to wallow in the fact that 'we are a small club' and that we 'struggle to improve' and 'we are not a big club in the Premier League' and predictably the critics get told to 'go and support Man U if you want perfection'. Why? What is this 'snobbery' that says we are a small club and have to eternally struggle to achieve success and we have to be grateful for that? What is so wrong about wanting your team to improve and be up there with the best? What is wrong about wanting your team to play the likes of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool week in, week out? Why should we accept that being a Bristol City fan means you have to accept 'your lot' and suffer poor performances? If those of us who supported City in the 70's had that attitude, would we ever have reached the top tier for those precious four seasons? Why can't we get there again? Most of the fans who criticise the manager do so because they want to see our club successful and are frustrated, and angered, by the manager's apparent blindness to things that seem to be wrong with the team that everyone else can see except him. You can accept your lot if you wish, but don't be a 'reverse snob' and berate those who aspire to even greater success. Regarding criticism of the manager I don't see my self as a superfan or a die hard, just someone who supports BCFC just the same as you and everyone else on this forum. Ive had critical views this season, but because I havent seen any of the games I don't feel qualified to pass judgement, as compared to fans like you who have seen perfromances all season and sufficient to pass comment. We have plenty enough posters who provide advice to and crticism of Gj apparently based on their expereince on FIFA Championship Manager on The Spectrum Wii OPS 360 Box so I didn't want to add my criticsm only based on what I heard or read.In fairness, I have to say that when you are critical, then your arguments are well through and constructive. Sadly not all posters criticise in the same way. For what it's worth, I think that GJ's plans for this season were knocked for 6 when the team was struck down with illness and injury. However, I also think he's fallen into the trap of picking what he sees as his best 11 players and then trying to make a team out of them, and that is why we have had too many players playing in the wrong positions. I dont necessarily think that width is the solution, but what we do need is pace and mobility when going forward, and having seen last night's game, I would add to that we need to get Sno more involved, not just by playing him in centre midfield, but by letting him get involved all over ther pitch and playing around him much more. Now I'm on a roll, I can say that while I have no real problem with Lee Johnson as a player ( although I don't think he's physically strong neough at this level) I always thought it would be a millstone for GJ just because Lee is the boss's son. that would always give some people a stick to beat GJ with, even in the absence of anything else. However, GJ is stubborn , which I do think can be his biggest weakness, and I reckon he doesn't like to be told he is wrong ( but then do any of us?) but I do think he's the best manager since Dicks and is the right man to get us promotion. Notwithstanding the fact that for most of my life we've yo-yo's between league 1 and the championship, it doesn't mean we have to accept this as the limit of our ambition, but can any of us honestly say that midtable to 6th is the limit of Steve Lansdowne and Gary Johnson's ambition? I am happy that we are competitive in this division, and should be competing for promotion, probably around the play off places with a bit of luck this season. This represents overachievement, based on the average performance during my lifetime supproting BCFC. But from where we are now, surely it should be the minumum of our ambition. Promotion to the prem would be an exceptional overachievemet for this club, but is what we are building towards. When we achieve promotion, staying up would then represent the single greatest achievement in the club's history. We all want the same thing. It's just that some of us are perhaps a bit more patient, and trust the manager and chairman to make to right decisions at the right time in order to get us there. I also accept that other fans will be less patient, and will be more vociferous in expressing their views and opinions. However, from time to time some fans are just unrealistic about how quaickly things can get done. I can assure you there is no reverse snobbery on my part. We all have our own situations. They are what they are and there's little we can do to change them. However, we see things from our own perspective, which is formed by circumstance, but it doesn't make your view or opinion any more or less valid than mine. I will attempt to be a bit more outspoken in future if it helps, or will I then be in danger of indulging in reverse, reverse snobbery (only joking!) Regards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 oh that old chesnut. "relegation form" we had this last season... teams have good form and bad form. Your are clever enough to know that... And shock horror when we have poor form there is more criticism - shouldn't you know that and not react to it by slagging everyone who disagrees with you off? We are 8th in the league and people are moaning about the style of play.... So what do they want exactly?? brilliant football to go with the results.. no exaggeration there. Of course it's massive exaggeration. 8th and entertaining football where we are making selections that get the most out of our squad will do me and I suspect will do most people who you incorrectly class as moaners. That isn't success now and brilliant football and it doesn't mean I or anyone else should go and watch Man U. That was a completely idiotic suggestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledinwatford Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 And shock horror when we have poor form there is more criticism - shouldn't you know that and not react to it by slagging everyone who disagrees with you off? Of course it's massive exaggeration. 8th and entertaining football where we are making selections that get the most out of our squad will do me and I suspect will do most people who you incorrectly class as moaners. That isn't success now and brilliant football and it doesn't mean I or anyone else should go and watch Man U. That was a completely idiotic suggestion. The tactics we have been employing lately has led to "competent" football which frightens no one. We're doing OK but I think we have the players to do better. By adopting a more attacking style I think this set of players will take us into the Play-Offs. Our expectation has been fuelled by the signing of very high quality players not by some "sleeping giant" mentality or divine right to success. By the way - you don't hear GJ or SL talking about staying in this league as being good enough for BCFC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 By the way - you don't hear GJ or SL talking about staying in this league as being good enough for BCFC. SL has said, above all, we must not get relegated from this division - otherwise the stadium does not happen.... Anyway a top half finish in the championship is CLEARLY good enough for a club of our size. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
exiledinwatford Posted December 9, 2009 Share Posted December 9, 2009 SL has said, above all, we must not get relegated from this division - otherwise the stadium does not happen.... Anyway a top half finish in the championship is CLEARLY good enough for a club of our size. Sorry -can't agree. I hear SL talking about emulating Wigan, Bolton, Stoke, Fulham not avoiding relegation. Size of the club is irrelevant. I hope that the Directors, Management, Staff and most of all the players don't agree that a top half finish is CLEARLY good enough. I believe our ambition and our squad is better than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redtilldead Posted December 10, 2009 Share Posted December 10, 2009 I've never understood this reverse snobbery stuff. People like me, who dare to criticise the manager, get stick for not towing the party line, being fickle and demanding perfection. Yet the so-called 'superfans' and diehards that can see no wrong seem to wallow in the fact that 'we are a small club' and that we 'struggle to improve' and 'we are not a big club in the Premier League' and predictably the critics get told to 'go and support Man U if you want perfection'. Why? What is this 'snobbery' that says we are a small club and have to eternally struggle to achieve success and we have to be grateful for that? What is so wrong about wanting your team to improve and be up there with the best? What is wrong about wanting your team to play the likes of Man U, Arsenal, Chelsea and Liverpool week in, week out? Why should we accept that being a Bristol City fan means you have to accept 'your lot' and suffer poor performances? If those of us who supported City in the 70's had that attitude, would we ever have reached the top tier for those precious four seasons? Why can't we get there again? Most of the fans who criticise the manager do so because they want to see our club successful and are frustrated, and angered, by the manager's apparent blindness to things that seem to be wrong with the team that everyone else can see except him. You can accept your lot if you wish, but don't be a 'reverse snob' and berate those who aspire to even greater success. A top post, great reply mate, totally agree with all your points, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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