HibbsyBCFC Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 I am really trying to remain positive about this new addition and should I turn up at the Gate tonight to find we're playing 4-4-2 with two pacey wingers feeding Maynard and Agyemang I will be excited to see how we get on. However, I cannot help but feel sorry for our current crop of strikers. We started the season with Maynard, Haynes, Clarkson, Trundle, Akinde, Jackson, Plummer on our books. Only Maynard and Haynes have been given any sort of notable chance. We then got Velika in on loan, broke his leg so went back to the market place and brought in Saborio... and now Agyemang. Not only that, but our strikers had to sit through last week's replay and watch a midfielder (Sno) partner Maynard up front. This long list of names got me thinking... exactly how many strikers have past through our club under Johnson? Bridges Stewart Gillespie Brooker Savage Jevons Showomni McCammon Andy Smith Trundle Byfield Adebola Maynard Akinde John Styvar Myrie-Williams Clarkson Haynes Velika Saborio Agyemang That's 22 in less than four and a half years! Its almost as farsical as QPR's managerial merry-go-round! Time for Johnson to have a serious look at his scouting, his tactics and the quality of service to the strikers he picks. Also time for SL to challenge Johnson on why he should release any more funds for strikers given Johnson's record in this market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tins Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 I am really trying to remain positive about this new addition and should I turn up at the Gate tonight to find we're playing 4-4-2 with two pacey wingers feeding Maynard and Agyemang I will be excited to see how we get on. However, I cannot help but feel sorry for our current crop of strikers. We started the season with Maynard, Haynes, Clarkson, Trundle, Akinde, Jackson, Plummer on our books. Only Maynard and Haynes have been given any sort of notable chance. We then got Velika in on loan, broke his leg so went back to the market place and brought in Saborio... and now Agyemang. Not only that, but our strikers had to sit through last week's replay and watch a midfielder (Sno) partner Maynard up front. This long list of names got me thinking... exactly how many strikers have past through our club under Johnson? Bridges - Good player but injury prone - 6/10 Stewart - another signing by tinnion - 4/10 Gillespie - picked up form when left, never got a real chance - 6/10 Brooker - got the goals when needed, also injury prone - 7/10 Savage - everybodys favourite striker - 4/10 Jevons - Not good enough for this level - 6/10 Showomni - same as jevons - 6/10 McCammon - always been a fan of his, got us some goals - 7/10 Andy Smith - remember the name, no impact - 2/10 Trundle - waste of money but got valuable goals - 5/10 Byfield - did become top goalscorer - 7/10 Adebola - got goals when form was lacking - 8/10 Maynard - good signing, gets us goals and will be for a while - 8/10 Akinde - may turn out good, good youngster - 7/10 John - awful, lazy, couldnt hit a barn door - 3/10 Styvar - not even a striker! played at fullback - 2/10 Myrie-Williams - good league 1 player with attitude problem - 5/10 Clarkson - hasnt had much ofa chance to get to grrips with speed of the game - 6/10 Haynes - good pacey youngster - 8/10 Velika - unfortunate - ?/10 Saborio - hasnt had the service - 4/10 Agyemang - who knows That's 22 in less than four and a half years! Its almost as farsical as QPR's managerial merry-go-round! Time for Johnson to have a serious look at his scouting, his tactics and the quality of service to the strikers he picks. Also time for SL to challenge Johnson on why he should release any more funds for strikers given Johnson's record in this market. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dolman Pragmatist Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Bridges - Signed by Tinnion Stewart - Signed by Tinnion Gillespie - Signed by Wilson Brooker - Signed by Tinnion Savage - loan signing - did the job he was brought in to do Jevons - Contributed to us getting promotion - good signing Showomni - Contributed to us getting promotion - good signing McCammon - good loan signing Andy Smith - short term contract - waste of time - now back playing in Northern Ireland Trundle - not able to make the step-up to Championship level Byfield - got some valuable goals and helped us to the play-offs Adebola - good signing Maynard - good signing Akinde - promising youngster - good signing John - waste of time Styvar - crap Myrie-Williams - contributed in the promotion season but not a championship player Clarkson - jury still out Haynes - good signing Velika - might well have been a good signing Saborio - hasn't coped with the pace of Championship football Agyemang - who knows Of these, it seems that there is only one out and out failure amongst permanent signings, that being Styvar. Loan and short-term signings of John and Smith, and now Saborio, didn't work out, and some would argue that Trundle was a failure (though others might think he was worth it just for the goal in the play-off semi). Seems to me that there isn't that much wrong with the scouting network if only one permanent signing has turned out to be a complete failure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Would you say the same about our goalkeepers? Since GJ arrived we've had the following in our first team squad; Steve Phillips Nathan Abbey Adriano Basso John Ruddy Lee Bullard Matt Reed Chris Weale Stephen Henderson Dean Gerken and now Steve Collis, Plus at least two others on trial this summer. Fact is GJ has now been here for 4 and a half years, the turnover up front is barely any greater than this and he's got far more strikers right than he's given any credit for. Final point, Styvar was a big flop but let's not keep trotting out this "he was a full back" myth, shall we? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Bridges - very poor Tinman signing Stewart - very poor Tinman signing Gillespie - very poor Tinman signing Brooker - very good - but a tinman signing Savage - did'nt rate him, but the team won alot with him in it. GOOD SIGNING Jevons - again did'nt rate him - but helped us get promoted GOOD SIGNING Showomni - also helped us get promoted - but average striker GOOD SIGNING McCammon - okay for us. neither good or bad Andy Smith - terrible Trundle - On his day a very good player - but his day was often enough - neither good or bad Byfield - good scoring record for us, helped establish us - disappointed we let him go GOOD SIGNING Adebola - although we turned into a hoofball team from this point (not his fault) GOOD SIGNING Maynard - was always going to be a VERY GOOD SIGNING Akinde - big future ahead GOOD SIGNING John - understand why he signed him - prolific the season before for southampton - but terrible signing Styvar - personnally, I think he would have been good if he could have settled here - but terrible signing Myrie-Williams - youngster who was never going to be good enough here - not a GJ signing Clarkson - clever player - needs time to get used to the pace of the championship - will come good but at the mo, neither good or bad Haynes - done very well GOOD SIGNING Velika - injured with minutes neither good or bad - nothing GJ can do either - pure bad luck Saborio - Looks like a bad signing Agyemang - time will tell out of the 22 5 were not his signings 2 are still to be judged (PA & Clarkson) 2 average signings 4 terrible signings 8 Good signings 1 injured - bad luck not that bad when you break it down Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HibbsyBCFC Posted January 26, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Would you say the same about our goalkeepers? Since GJ arrived we've had the following in our first team squad; Steve Phillips Nathan Abbey Adriano Basso John Ruddy Lee Bullard Matt Reed Chris Weale Stephen Henderson Dean Gerken and now Steve Collis, Plus at least two others on trial this summer. Fact is GJ has now been here for 4 and a half years, the turnover up front is barely any greater than this and he's got far more strikers right than he's given any credit for. Final point, Styvar was a big flop but let's not keep trotting out this "he was a full back" myth, shall we? No I wouldn't say the same about our keepers becuase; (A) its less than half the amount, not "barely any greater" (B) he hasn't changed his first team pick regularly... Basso and Gerken have started 95% of Johnson's games as manager © you will always turn over your 2nd and 3rd choice keepers regularly as keepers tend not to get injured / dropped as often, so there's only so long the likes of Weale, Henderson and Collis will be prepared to sit on the bench before moving on to another club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stroudie2 Posted January 26, 2010 Report Share Posted January 26, 2010 Looking at the current crop... Maynard has great talent, but has gone off the boil recently. Played poorly against Preston. Haynes has found his confidence and is starting to play really well Clarkson is too slow Saborio is mediocre Akinde is pretty good, but a target man up front is not usually our best option So I think there is scope for a new striker in the pack. Let's see how this guy turns out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I think one of the issues is whether GJ's signings get value for money. Only way is to go through one by one and it's a mixed bag. In summary I think it's fair comment that GJ doesn't like fox in the box players, hasn't picked up a promising bargain and no strikers have really prospered. He's been unlucky with some players - I have a feeling Velika would have done well as would the ex Manchester Utd player who was in the U.S. league. He's made three expensive mistakes in Styvar, Clarkson and Trundle. Saborio and John have been expensive loan signings that haven't worked. There have been no promising reserve strikers coming though the academy either. We're an established mid-table Championship side under GJ which I think most would have accepted as the Club looked to heading for league 2 before his appointment so he has done a lot of things right and he gets my praise and support for that but his transfer dealing for strikers is probably average at best and needs to be addressed with a close look at the scouting set-up and academy. Bridges - Without the fitness to meet with what qualifies to be a GJ player. Fair decision for a new manager to offload him. Stewart - if he didn't fit in with GJ's approach then correct decision to offload a player on high wages. Gillespie - always thought he could do something and be one of those elusive goal scorers. If he hasn't done much since leaviing then GJ's decision is vindicated. Brooker - Offloading was a natural and inevitable conclusion to a player that could have achieved so much. Savage - Poor player but great value for money signing as we were hovering close to relegation and I am sure his spirit helped contribute to the uplift in results. Jevons - Didn't cost much and played his part in getting promotion. Not good enough for Championship so right to offload. Showomni - Promised much and had some cracking games as well as poor ones. Wasn't an expensive signing and did ok. McCammon - poor loan signing but wouldn't have cost the Club much. Andy Smith - poor loan signing and about as prolific goal-scorer as a centre-half on a bad run. Trundle - vast amount of money wasted although some recouped by play-off goals. Why sign a player who will not flourish if he has to track back in the same style that GJ insists for all players. I think this is GJ's weakness. In every team there will be one or two players who need to be given a license with some freedom. GJ demands that is strikers follow the same work ethic and that is probably why those strikers who have good goal scoring records at other clubs struggle at City. The 20 or 30 a season fox in the box player wouldn't be allowed to play that role under GJ. Trundle wasn't a fox in the box and the lack of goals were frustrating - maybe should have been given more chances on the left. Byfield - Not a bad goal scoring record and didn't break the bank. Adebola - did a good job. Played very badly in the play-off final for some reason. Maynard - Looks as if he could be a quality signing with the right support. Akinde - could be ok and the decision to loan him and bring in a journeyman like Agyemang is odd. John - expensive wages, did have a good goal scoring record. Just one of those ones that looked potentially good on paper but didn't work out. Styvar - bad signing, waste of money. Presumably recommended by Pete Johnson which raises questions about the scouting set-up. Myrie-Williams - not good enough. Right to offload. Clarkson - waste of money and puzzling that GJ has spent a lot of money on a player he seems to suggest hasn't got the athleticism for Chamionship football. Haynes - good signing but needs to be more clinical in front of goal as, quite simply, doesn't score enough as a striker. Jury out on him as a winger. Velika - club were desperately unlucky. Saborio - mystery. He seems a quality player with a good goal-scoring record but yet another of those whose record deteriorates as soon as he plays for City. Unable to adjust or is it that he doesn't get the chances provided that strikers needed. Agyemang - depressing signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent_bcfc Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Agyemang was awful last night and I can't help thinking that he will not start again and is going to e an expensive bench warmer at the very most Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
View from the Dolman Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Agyemang was awful last night and I can't help thinking that he will not start again and is going to e an expensive bench warmer at the very most Don't really see how you can judge him on last night - must be difficult to come into a team that immediately collapses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincent_bcfc Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 He gave up as soon as we went 1 or 2-0 down like most players. Second half i'm not sure he even touched the ball and even in the first 20 minutes when we were on top he seemed to be losing every header he went up for Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bristolcitysweden Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 I am really trying to remain positive about this new addition and should I turn up at the Gate tonight to find we're playing 4-4-2 with two pacey wingers feeding Maynard and Agyemang I will be excited to see how we get on. However, I cannot help but feel sorry for our current crop of strikers. We started the season with Maynard, Haynes, Clarkson, Trundle, Akinde, Jackson, Plummer on our books. Only Maynard and Haynes have been given any sort of notable chance. We then got Velika in on loan, broke his leg so went back to the market place and brought in Saborio... and now Agyemang. Not only that, but our strikers had to sit through last week's replay and watch a midfielder (Sno) partner Maynard up front. This long list of names got me thinking... exactly how many strikers have past through our club under Johnson? Bridges Stewart Gillespie Brooker Savage Jevons Showomni McCammon Andy Smith Trundle Byfield Adebola Maynard Akinde John Styvar Myrie-Williams Clarkson Haynes Velika Saborio Agyemang That's 22 in less than four and a half years! Its almost as farsical as QPR's managerial merry-go-round! Time for Johnson to have a serious look at his scouting, his tactics and the quality of service to the strikers he picks. Also time for SL to challenge Johnson on why he should release any more funds for strikers given Johnson's record in this market. "Hardest of all is to scout forwards as their goalscoring record is there for anyone to see" From a Pete Johnson interview on World (Player). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chipdawg Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Don't really see how you can judge him on last night - must be difficult to come into a team that immediately collapses. I agree. I've been critical of his signing and still think he'll prove to rubbish, but its not his fault we shipped 6 goals last night and he shouldn't be judged on that particular start to his City career Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Fee agreed apparently if we want him ... £450,000 http://www.kilburntimes.co.uk/content/camden/kilburntimes/QPR/story.aspx?brand=KLBTOnline&category=QPRNews&tBrand=KLBTOnline&tCategory=defaultQPR&itemid=WeED27+Jan+2010+15%3A01%3A09%3A687 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Fee agreed apparently if we want him ... £450,000 http://www.kilburnti...3A01%3A09%3A687 How about no thanks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tunley Legend Posted January 27, 2010 Report Share Posted January 27, 2010 Fee agreed apparently if we want him ... £450,000 http://www.kilburnti...3A01%3A09%3A687 In that case let's give John Akinde a proper run. £450K for Agyemang is a waste of yet more Steve Lansdown cash. We are losing money hand over fist as it is without adding these sorts of sums for mediocre Championship players to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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