Can We Just Lay Off For A While

[Red Rag]

It seems that for months now that the GJ in or GJ out brigade

dominate this forum. This constant barrage of posts on this subject

cannot be doing the confidance of the players, the manager or the

ashton gate staff any good whatsoever. My concern is how SL views

this never ending in fighting. To me it seems very clear that SL and GJ

have a very good working relationship, he clearly rates GJ. SL wants stability

to push the club onwards and upwards, so awards the manager, that he trusts,

a long term contract. Ok so the football is not the greatest at the moment,

we got beat by Cardiff, some of the players purchased or otherwise have

not payed off, thats life, some you get right some you get wrong.

SL has shown great support to BCFC he has backed his words with hard

earned cash, he has a vision for BCFC that clearly involves GJ. Can we not

as fans just accept that things do not always go your way, that set backs

occur, accept that SL knows what he is doing. Constantly sniping away

is in effect having a pop at SL himself. Lets not p1ss off the man that

we all seem to have the greatest respect for.

[cinker]

It seems that for months now that the GJ in or GJ out brigade

dominate this forum. This constant barrage of posts on this subject

cannot be doing the confidance of the players, the manager or the

ashton gate staff any good whatsoever. My concern is how SL views

this never ending in fighting. To me it seems very clear that SL and GJ

have a very good working relationship, he clearly rates GJ. SL wants stability

to push the club onwards and upwards, so awards the manager, that he trusts,

a long term contract. Ok so the football is not the greatest at the moment,

we got beat by Cardiff, some of the players purchased or otherwise have

not payed off, thats life, some you get right some you get wrong.

SL has shown great support to BCFC he has backed his words with hard

earned cash, he has a vision for BCFC that clearly involves GJ. Can we not

as fans just accept that things do not always go your way, that set backs

occur, accept that SL knows what he is doing. Constantly sniping away

is in effect having a pop at SL himself. Lets not p1ss off the man that

we all seem to have the greatest respect for.

Results and being outwitted by other managers and a down right dis-respect to some of the paying customers who pay the wages can have deep roots. I and others have the utmost respect for SL and hate to see what GJ is doing with what resources could have us as a great club. The deciion of the future does not only lie with SL but the board at BCFC also. In turn , the number of paying fans who turn up every week, based on gate size, also has a say.

[RedUn]

The still small voice of calm ... well said ... no doubt about it we have problems that need solving, the biggest being the quality of player we can attract.

Is that because of who the manager is?, or is it because of where the club is (outwith the mainstream)?, or is it because all the clubs we read about very day hitting the financial buffers are paying out more than they can sensibly afford?

[Chappers]

Is that because of who the manager is?, or is it because of where the club is (outwith the mainstream)?, or is it because all the clubs we read about very day hitting the financial buffers are paying out more than they can sensibly afford?

Well, perhaps if we looked for a bit more quality and a bit less quantity we might get better players. When we waste money signing Crewes third choice keeper, two behind Phillips, you know things are bad!

[cinker]

The still small voice of calm ... well said ... no doubt about it we have problems that need solving, the biggest being the quality of player we can attract.

Is that because of who the manager is?, or is it because of where the club is (outwith the mainstream)?, or is it because all the clubs we read about very day hitting the financial buffers are paying out more than they can sensibly afford?

And, with a $6.5M loss, with players that we can't seem to shift, while bringing in others at the fore of blooding young talent. Will this lead us to success, or is this desperation?

[Red Rag]

And, with a $6.5M loss, with players that we can't seem to shift, while bringing in others at the fore of blooding young talent. Will this lead us to success, or is this desperation?

And they are still Blooming well moaning. My God take up Knitting some of yopu guys, it may well help you to relax

[Bubble]

It seems that for months now that the GJ in or GJ out brigade

dominate this forum. This constant barrage of posts on this subject

cannot be doing the confidance of the players, the manager or the

ashton gate staff any good whatsoever. My concern is how SL views

this never ending in fighting. To me it seems very clear that SL and GJ

have a very good working relationship, he clearly rates GJ. SL wants stability

to push the club onwards and upwards, so awards the manager, that he trusts,

a long term contract. Ok so the football is not the greatest at the moment,

we got beat by Cardiff, some of the players purchased or otherwise have

not payed off, thats life, some you get right some you get wrong.

SL has shown great support to BCFC he has backed his words with hard

earned cash, he has a vision for BCFC that clearly involves GJ. Can we not

as fans just accept that things do not always go your way, that set backs

occur, accept that SL knows what he is doing. Constantly sniping away

is in effect having a pop at SL himself. Lets not p1ss off the man that

we all seem to have the greatest respect for.

Thank you ... at last sense! Perfect more articulate post then i have written, but whilst i am always right , this is absolutely spot on! Others if you feel the same lets turn this forum round its awful! Robbered Gow politley F i mean stay away

[Tom Fleuriot]

Couldn't agree more with this post. Can we just say that the critical fans have won the argument, and Johnson is definitely an abysmal manager and that they are all very insightful, but we're clearly going to have him until the end of the season so let's put all the sniping aside for 5 months and just cheer the boys on every week until then? I used to go to matches for the quality of atmosphere that you only get from watching a live game. Let's all focus on that instead of the quality of football and at least we can have some control over how much fun it is.

[Olé]

It seems that for months now that the GJ in or GJ out brigade

dominate this forum. This constant barrage of posts on this subject

cannot be doing the confidance of the players, the manager or the

ashton gate staff any good whatsoever. My concern is how SL views

this never ending in fighting. To me it seems very clear that SL and GJ

have a very good working relationship, he clearly rates GJ. SL wants stability

to push the club onwards and upwards, so awards the manager, that he trusts,

a long term contract. Ok so the football is not the greatest at the moment,

we got beat by Cardiff, some of the players purchased or otherwise have

not payed off, thats life, some you get right some you get wrong.

SL has shown great support to BCFC he has backed his words with hard

earned cash, he has a vision for BCFC that clearly involves GJ. Can we not

as fans just accept that things do not always go your way, that set backs

occur, accept that SL knows what he is doing. Constantly sniping away

is in effect having a pop at SL himself. Lets not p1ss off the man that

we all seem to have the greatest respect for.

Top post, thank god someone said it.

Logging into a forum to see just about every other thread on screen is about getting rid of Johnson, his replacement, and all manner of other GJ-out comments and scenarios, when in fact in the one large scale and democratic vote on here the majority don't want him out, completely misrepresents supporters and so is unnecessarily destructive and damaging to people at the club who trust each other and are trying to remain united in the face of disproportionate negativity.

I'm all for free speech and Johnson should be held to account but when it's such a noisy minority starting thread after thread after thread to give the impression of wide scale negativity and dislike of the guy, it goes too far because it's just not true. A lot of people are unhappy about Tuesday but there are a few people who are so consumed by the belief that Johnson must go that they are re-producing their minority view in all shapes and sizes in a range of different threads.

You want Johnson out, we get it. You want Coppell or Curbishley, we get it. So buy the club and make the decisions then. No? Didn't think so, so get behind SL's decision on this matter instead. The so-called "GJ supporters" are in the majority but I don't see them posting the same view 100 times. Any glance at this forum is unrepresentative and it makes it seem like most have the knives out for the impending doom. It can't have been that long ago that we always believed.

[greenun]

It seems that for months now that the GJ in or GJ out brigade

dominate this forum. This constant barrage of posts on this subject

cannot be doing the confidance of the players, the manager or the

ashton gate staff any good whatsoever. My concern is how SL views

this never ending in fighting. To me it seems very clear that SL and GJ

have a very good working relationship, he clearly rates GJ. SL wants stability

to push the club onwards and upwards, so awards the manager, that he trusts,

a long term contract. Ok so the football is not the greatest at the moment,

we got beat by Cardiff, some of the players purchased or otherwise have

not payed off, thats life, some you get right some you get wrong.

SL has shown great support to BCFC he has backed his words with hard

earned cash, he has a vision for BCFC that clearly involves GJ. Can we not

as fans just accept that things do not always go your way, that set backs

occur, accept that SL knows what he is doing. Constantly sniping away

is in effect having a pop at SL himself. Lets not p1ss off the man that

we all seem to have the greatest respect for.

I'm sorry, but every time I see posts like this then I wonder why we have a forum instead of a glee club.

Forums are for the subjective opinions of fans and our well paid players and manager shouldn't give two hoots about sifting through postings and concentrate on the job in hand.

Aren't they supposed to be professionals?

[Red Rag]

I'm sorry, but every time I see posts like this then I wonder why we have a forum instead of a glee club.

Forums are for the subjective opinions of fans and our well paid players and manager shouldn't give two hoots about sifting through postings and concentrate on the job in hand.

Aren't they supposed to be professionals?

UMMMMMMM Aren,t we supposed to be supporters?

[greenun]

UMMMMMMM Aren,t we supposed to be supporters?

Yes, but we don't need to be told what to think on a forum. We support the team in the stadium and fund their lifestyles with our hard-earned cash.

Why should the players or manager take any notice of a forum?

[dougal135]

It seems that for months now that the GJ in or GJ out brigade

dominate this forum. This constant barrage of posts on this subject

cannot be doing the confidance of the players, the manager or the

ashton gate staff any good whatsoever. My concern is how SL views

this never ending in fighting. To me it seems very clear that SL and GJ

have a very good working relationship, he clearly rates GJ. SL wants stability

to push the club onwards and upwards, so awards the manager, that he trusts,

a long term contract. Ok so the football is not the greatest at the moment,

we got beat by Cardiff, some of the players purchased or otherwise have

not payed off, thats life, some you get right some you get wrong.

SL has shown great support to BCFC he has backed his words with hard

earned cash, he has a vision for BCFC that clearly involves GJ. Can we not

as fans just accept that things do not always go your way, that set backs

occur, accept that SL knows what he is doing. Constantly sniping away

is in effect having a pop at SL himself. Lets not p1ss off the man that

we all seem to have the greatest respect for.

2 words for you cock ice!

[the frampton balti]

It seems that for months now that the GJ in or GJ out brigade

dominate this forum. This constant barrage of posts on this subject

cannot be doing the confidance of the players, the manager or the

ashton gate staff any good whatsoever. My concern is how SL views

this never ending in fighting. To me it seems very clear that SL and GJ

have a very good working relationship, he clearly rates GJ. SL wants stability

to push the club onwards and upwards, so awards the manager, that he trusts,

a long term contract. Ok so the football is not the greatest at the moment,

we got beat by Cardiff, some of the players purchased or otherwise have

not payed off, thats life, some you get right some you get wrong.

SL has shown great support to BCFC he has backed his words with hard

earned cash, he has a vision for BCFC that clearly involves GJ. Can we not

as fans just accept that things do not always go your way, that set backs

occur, accept that SL knows what he is doing. Constantly sniping away

is in effect having a pop at SL himself. Lets not p1ss off the man that

we all seem to have the greatest respect for.

I think you have an inflated idea of the effect of this forum.

thankfully gj ,the chairman and management have much thicker skin than we imagine. If not they should have and realise that as mentioned before this is a knee jerk reaction.

The fact that only 45% polled are for a change of management is vindication that the majority want johnson to stay ,even soon after such a shambles as tuesday.

however city fans expect a response.

as

[Red Rag]

I think you have an inflated idea of the effect of this forum.

thankfully gj ,the chairman and management have much thicker skin than we imagine. If not they should have and realise that as mentioned before this is a knee jerk reaction.

The fact that only 45% polled are for a change of management is vindication that the majority want johnson to stay ,even soon after such a shambles as tuesday.

however city fans expect a response.

as

Not so sure you are correct with your statement regarding the forums effect. Only last night

in the Evening Post all over the back page was an article siting two forum polls regararding

the persentage of fans support for GJ ie. Should he stay or go. Not sure what circulation numbers

the EP has, but it is certainly in a wider domain than just a fans forum site. The forum does have

an effect and sadly a bad effect at the moment.

[Tunley Legend]

It seems that for months now that the GJ in or GJ out brigade

dominate this forum. This constant barrage of posts on this subject

cannot be doing the confidance of the players, the manager or the

ashton gate staff any good whatsoever. My concern is how SL views

this never ending in fighting. To me it seems very clear that SL and GJ

have a very good working relationship, he clearly rates GJ. SL wants stability

to push the club onwards and upwards, so awards the manager, that he trusts,

a long term contract. Ok so the football is not the greatest at the moment,

we got beat by Cardiff, some of the players purchased or otherwise have

not payed off, thats life, some you get right some you get wrong.

SL has shown great support to BCFC he has backed his words with hard

earned cash, he has a vision for BCFC that clearly involves GJ. Can we not

as fans just accept that things do not always go your way, that set backs

occur, accept that SL knows what he is doing. Constantly sniping away

is in effect having a pop at SL himself. Lets not p1ss off the man that

we all seem to have the greatest respect for.

It's not the forum you need to worry about. It's the number of people attending Ashton Gate that will suffer now. The casual POTD supporter who has walked up and watched his side humiliated in a LOCAL DERBY (and there weren't that many of those supporters on Tuesday to be fair) will simply stay away for the rest of the season unless things change dramatically. And some disaffected people will not buy season tickets next season. This is EXACTLY what Steve Lansdown told the players the other day so it seems he has got the raving hump just as much as many supporters have on here.

Now you and your ilk may say that "we are better off WITHOUT these supporters and that they should go up the Gloucester Road" but CLEARLY Steve Lansdown totally disagrees with that viewpoint given he has to fund a £6½ million loss every season that GJ is largely responsible for (supported by SL at the moment). Things are not rosy at AG and you cannot expect ALL supporters to just sit there and sing "City till we die" for ever and a day whilst the football club is starting to collapse, on the face of it, around them. Huge financial losses, 9 wins in the last 40 matches, a 6-0 home defeat - that is some "setback occurring" to be fair and many supporters will not just brush it under the carpet without comment on a football forum designed for differing comment and opinion to be debated.

[Red Rag]

It's not the forum you need to worry about. It's the number of people attending Ashton Gate that will suffer now. The casual POTD supporter who has walked up and watched his side humiliated in a LOCAL DERBY (and there weren't that many of those supporters on Tuesday to be fair) will simply stay away for the rest of the season unless things change dramatically. And some disaffected people will not buy season tickets next season. This is EXACTLY what Steve Lansdown told the players the other day so it seems he has got the raving hump just as much as many supporters have on here.

Now you and your ilk may say that "we are better off WITHOUT these supporters and that they should go up the Gloucester Road" but CLEARLY Steve Lansdown totally disagrees with that viewpoint given he has to fund a £6½ million loss every season that GJ is largely responsible for (supported by SL at the moment). Things are not rosy at AG and you cannot expect ALL supporters to just sit there and sing "City till we die" for ever and a day whilst the football club is starting to collapse, on the face of it, around them. Huge financial losses, 9 wins in the last 40 matches, a 6-0 home defeat - that is some "setback occurring" to be fair and many supporters will not just brush it under the carpet without comment on a football forum designed for differing comment and opinion to be debated.

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Me and my ilk. You have already put me in a box. Very typical of late on this forum. I want City to be successful,

I want full houses at Ashton Gate, I want to be in the Prem, I want fast flowing attractive footbal,

but I trust SL to make the desisions, he may or may not dispose with the services of GJ, who knows.

But one thing is certain the complete barrage of negativity over the last few months is not hepling

the club we all support. I aggree SL must be concerned, but I will say again SL willbmake his desisions,

lets just do as fans do supprot the club when its most needed.

[Tunley Legend]

At 7:45pm on Tuesday 13,000 fans were fully behind the team and supporting the lads, having made the effort to attend, but it couldn't prevent the utter carnage that occurred from 8:05 onwards!! The people who turn up will carry on supporting the team but there must also be some responsibility on those getting paid vast sums to wear the red shirt or manage the club to do their job to a better standard than they showed on Tuesday.

[Red Rag]

ame='Red Rag' date='29 January 2010 - 10:32 AM' timestamp='1264761145' post='1189864']

At 7:45pm on Tuesday 13,000 fans were fully behind the team and supporting the lads, having made the effort to attend, but it couldn't prevent the utter carnage that occurred from 8:05 onwards!! The people who turn up will carry on supporting the team but there must also be some responsibility on those getting paid vast sums to wear the red shirt or manage the club to do their job to a better standard than they showed on Tuesday.

Could not aggree more. The Cardiff game hurt. The players and management need to look at themselves

and ask a question or two of themselves, but support is needed now more than ever. Constant moaning

does not help.

[cinker]

Couldn't agree more with this post. Can we just say that the critical fans have won the argument, and Johnson is definitely an abysmal manager and that they are all very insightful, but we're clearly going to have him until the end of the season so let's put all the sniping aside for 5 months and just cheer the boys on every week until then? I used to go to matches for the quality of atmosphere that you only get from watching a live game. Let's all focus on that instead of the quality of football and at least we can have some control over how much fun it is.

So our team should focus on Quality of atmosphere and not quality of football. we could go to a game up on the Downs and have a good laugh and a good atmosphere. Surely, you expect Quality of Football from an aspiring multi-million pound team that you are putting your hard earned cash into.

[cinker]

Could not aggree more. The Cardiff game hurt. The players and management need to look at themselves

and ask a question or two of themselves, but support is needed now more than ever. Constant moaning

does not help.

n.

• 1. A low, sustained, mournful cry, usually indicative of sorrow or pain.
  2. A similar sound: the eerie moan of the night wind.

  [*]Lamentation.

v., moaned, moan·ing, moans.

v.intr.

• 1. To utter a moan or moans.
  2. To make a sound resembling a moan: A saxophone moaned in the background.

  [*]To complain, lament, or grieve: an old man who still moans about his misspent youth.

v.tr.

• To bewail or bemoan: She moaned her misfortunes to anyone who would listen.
• To utter with moans or a moan.

Guess we are all grieving, and its just not since last Tuesday which capped it all. It has been the performance of the season that has been under the critique. Suggest that you should go back to your knitting.

[Galley is our king]

n.

• 1. A low, sustained, mournful cry, usually indicative of sorrow or pain.
  2. A similar sound: the eerie moan of the night wind.

Lamentation.

1. 
   v., moaned, moan·ing, moans.
   
   v.intr.

• 1. To utter a moan or moans.
  2. To make a sound resembling a moan: A saxophone moaned in the background.
     <LI>To complain, lament, or grieve:
  an old man who still moans about his misspent youth.
  1. v.tr.
  • To bewail or bemoan: She moaned her misfortunes to anyone who would listen.
  • To utter with moans or a moan.

Guess we are all grieving, and its just not since last Tuesday which capped it all. It has been the performance of the season that has been under the critique. Suggest that you should go back to your knitting.

And just how many games have you yourself attended this season to do a "critique"? ..... From CANADA?

If none, your just repeating hearsay. I'm not really having a go at you (although it sounds like it) just completely pissed off with all the negativity.

It is just so easy to be negative. Anyone who has ever bought up a child knows that 100 positive comments about their look, education, sporting prowess can be wiped out by a clever negative one liner.

Let all just get behind the team we ALL love.... PLEASE!

[cinker]

And just how many games have you yourself attended this season to do a "critique"? ..... From CANADA?

If none, your just repeating hearsay. I'm not really having a go at you (although it sounds like it) just completely pissed off with all the negativity.

It is just so easy to be negative. Anyone who has ever bought up a child knows that 100 positive comments about their look, education, sporting prowess can be wiped out by a clever negative one liner.

Let all just get behind the team we ALL love.... PLEASE!

Your correct. It is tough living in Canada and attending games. Actually I have attended 5 this season, 2 home and 3 away

[Tunley Legend]

And just how many games have you yourself attended this season to do a "critique"? ..... From CANADA?

If none, your just repeating hearsay. I'm not really having a go at you (although it sounds like it) just completely pissed off with all the negativity.

It is just so easy to be negative. Anyone who has ever bought up a child knows that 100 positive comments about their look, education, sporting prowess can be wiped out by a clever negative one liner.

Let all just get behind the team we ALL love.... PLEASE!

I'm guessing that EVERY SINGLE ONE OF US will be behind the lads at 3pm tomorrow. But if they go out there, show the same lack of character and bottle as they did on Tuesday and get thrashed like barstewards again then there will be further unrest amongst the paying customers. Why would it be any different?

[Galley is our king]

Your correct. It is tough living in Canada and attending games. Actually I have attended 5 this season, 2 home and 3 away

In which case sir, I appologise........ well done you!

[Massive Attack]

This is EXACTLY what Steve Lansdown told the players the other day so it seems he has got the raving hump just as much as many supporters have on here.

Well if you're interested in what Steve Lansdown has said, then why not give some serious thought to his request that we stick together which was the main story on the club website for the best part of two days following the Baadiff debacle ?

I think that's a pretty good indicator of his over-riding opinion on the matter.

[Tunley Legend]

Well if you're interested in what Steve Lansdown has said, then why not give some serious thought to his request that we stick together which was the main story on the club website for the best part of two days following the Baadiff debacle ?

I think that's a pretty good indicator of his over-riding opinion on the matter.

We've got supporters travelling a long way this weekend, I will be at the next home match and I presume you will be too. City Foundation will still get my cash this month. I won't be going down against Coventry shouting abuse at the players or manager - I will be supporting them as always. There isn't a lot else as fans we can do. But sticking together is a TWO WAY STREET and it is no good the likes of Carey and Johnson giving the 3,000 fans who stayed until the end on Tuesday (like me) preferential treatment and saying or heavily implying that they deserve more than others who left early. It is devisive and not the behaviour of people who want everyone to STICK TOGETHER.

[cinker]

In which case sir, I appologise........ well done you!

Thanks. Yes, it was 2 trips ; one in August with 2 games Cardiff and Carlisle. And 3 games leading up to Christmas i.e. Leicester, Doncaster and Reading giving 3 Losses. 1 win and 1 Draw. Its cost me most than others to get to games, more than a Season ticket.

Look, I understand where you are coming from and I do understand the well worded post of the Original Poster. i do agree that we need to get behind the lads, but alot of the negativity comes from the way posts are worded that attack the poster rather than a constructive criticism or presenting a respons in a positive manner which you have done. Where the difference of opinion lies ( albeit my opinion) is the different understanding of what players we have coming in, the inbalance in number of right versus left sided midfielders and the number of forwards while not shoring up the defence where, lets face it, Carey, although still a great player is susceptible to injuries at his age and we only have a couple of replacements. Also, rather than have such a large squad , lets bring in a few quality players. Then there is the argument that do we have the "right" level of leadership, knowledge and ability to strategize tactics to overpin a game. I have concerns that based on 9 wins from 40 games, i.e. less than 25% with very close draws and ability to concede late goals that we will not be far off relegation with the readily noticeable improvement of Ipswich, S****horpe, Doncaster and I daresay a few others. Yes, I agree we are only 6 points from play-off's but we are only 11 points off the relegation zone which can turn within 3 to 4 games.

Yes, I agree we need to cheer on the lads and make it a positive as possible and some need to get off Gerken's back, but I think that some of the recent decisions could get us into trouble sooner rather than later. I also have a gut feel that the lads will claw back tomorrow, but do we have the leadership and skillful tactician who can design a strategy that can sustain on what we have, that is a great group of players, but have not shown that they can play as a team e.g. sno in his rightful position, Saborio, Maynard , Haynes (as a team member), Elliott of yesteryear... I could go on.

Again, like you, I agree. Lets try and diffuse the negativity and I have agreed to not post anymore today.

Thank you for your earlier compliment.

[Nogbad the Bad]

do we have the "right" level of leadership, knowledge and ability to strategize tactics to overpin a game.

Cinker, like my beyond help brother in Nova Scotia, you are apt to the occasional outburst of hilarious 'Canadianised English' mumbo jumbo.

I fear it may be too late, but if at all possible, return to England asap.

[cinker]

Cinker, like my beyond help brother in Nova Scotia, you are apt to the occasional outburst of hilarious 'Canadianised English' mumbo jumbo.

I fear it may be too late, but if at all possible, return to England asap.

Aaaah. Alexander Keith's country. bit like pats ciss I get the drift Nogbad, wish I could...

does your brother get back for any games?