cheese Posted March 15, 2010 Report Share Posted March 15, 2010 Apparently the Forest squad cost £9m to put together. I know Maynard cost us £2.25m but I don't think we've spent that much elsewhere (although it probably does add up). Are we comparable? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barneyredballs Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Apparently the Forest squad cost £9m to put together. I know Maynard cost us £2.25m but I don't think we've spent that much elsewhere (although it probably does add up). Are we comparable? Probably will never get a confirmed answer as 12 of our 1st teamers show undisclosed costs. But here goes: Official Estimate Akinde 140,000 140,000 Trundle 1,000,000 1,000,000 Maynard 2,250,000 2,250,000 Collis Free Carey Free Hartley Free Henderson Free Johnson Free McAllister Free Orr Free skuse Home Agyemang loan Iwelumo loan Saborio loan sno loan Velickia loan CampbellRyce U/D 250,000 Clarkson U/D 800,000 Elliott U/D 250,000 Fontaine U/D 50,000 Gerken U/D 400,000 Haynes U/D 400,000 McCoombe U/D 50,000 Nyatanga U/D 400,000 Sproule U/D 500,000 Styvaar U/D 650,000 Williams U/D 300,000 Wilson U/D 150,000 Total 7590000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Bristol-City_ Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Styvaar U/D 650,000 , fail by Johnson there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EIEIEIO Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Styvaar U/D 650,000 , fail by Johnson there. Someone told me that 'Johnson' - I'm now not sure if they meant Gary or Pete - had 15% of PS's salary. They might, of course, have meant 15% of the transfer fee; I didn't question it as I'm now completely of the opinion that what goes on in football transfer deals is all about money and back-handers rather than players and the game itself. Players are now just pawns on a giant chessboard of football. The back row (king, queen, bishops, knights and castles) are the 'real' players! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderHider Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Styvaar U/D 650,000 , fail by Johnson there. Fail by Styvaar more like, he was given a massive oppetunity and he *****ed it up! Had the skill, didnt have the application. STYVAARFAIL.ORG Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 He didn't have the ability at all, he was light years off the standard required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 On the rest I imagine we paid significant fees for loaning Saborio and Sno. I think the estimates for fees are fairly good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chiva Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Why choose Forest specifically? Forest have built a decent squad of mainly British players and have until recently made a good fist of competing with clubs that have a signficiantly bigger budget even than them. You can imagine where that puts them relative to the clubs lower down in the division, including City. Unsurprisingly all of the top three have big wage bills and can attract big players to their club, probably as a result of having a solid history and/or a dependable fanbase. The better examples to look at are probably Swansea and Leicester who have done it on a shoestring. Though Leicester really don't look profoundly different to the Bristol City side that first came into this league - I wouldn't be surprised to see them go the same way over time if they don't get promoted this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted March 16, 2010 Author Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Why choose Forest specifically? Forest have built a decent squad of mainly British players and have until recently made a good fist of competing with clubs that have a signficiantly bigger budget even than them. You can imagine where that puts them relative to the clubs lower down in the division, including City. Unsurprisingly all of the top three have big wage bills and can attract big players to their club, probably as a result of having a solid history and/or a dependable fanbase. The better examples to look at are probably Swansea and Leicester who have done it on a shoestring. Though Leicester really don't look profoundly different to the Bristol City side that first came into this league - I wouldn't be surprised to see them go the same way over time if they don't get promoted this season. I picked Forest simply because I was watching the ITV footie programme last night and they mentioned it - they were comparing it to WBA but I didn't catch what they said about them. So I was just curious that's all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riaz Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Johnson Free McAllister Free Elliott U/D 250,000 McCoombe U/D 50,000 pretty sure we paid Hearts 50k for mini me and the others were 150k. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Portland Bill Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Fail by Styvaar more like, he was given a massive oppetunity and he *****ed it up! Had the skill, didnt have the application. STYVAARFAIL.ORG He was awfull, more money wasted,think of all the loanees we have, plus all the players WE have on loan at other clubs and the money Johnson is wasting is crazy. 40 strikers in 4 years, whens Johnson going to realise they cant all be bad and that if they got some proper service it may just help . The way he is running the playing side of our club at the moment is pathetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CodeRed Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 Probably will never get a confirmed answer as 12 of our 1st teamers show undisclosed costs. But here goes: Official Estimate Akinde 140,000 140,000 Trundle 1,000,000 1,000,000 Maynard 2,250,000 2,250,000 Collis Free Carey Free Hartley Free Henderson Free Johnson Free McAllister Free Orr Free skuse Home Agyemang loan Iwelumo loan Saborio loan sno loan Velickia loan CampbellRyce U/D 250,000 Clarkson U/D 800,000 Elliott U/D 250,000 Fontaine U/D 50,000 Gerken U/D 400,000 Haynes U/D 400,000 McCoombe U/D 50,000 Nyatanga U/D 400,000 Sproule U/D 500,000 Styvaar U/D 650,000 Williams U/D 300,000 Wilson U/D 150,000 Total 7590000 If you take those values - and there not far away except for Mccombe who was documented as £5K release clause - then the most worrying thing is that of £7.5 Million spent.....£3.5 Million has gone on players who have never been good/consistent enough to hold down a regular first team place, which makes a mockery of the often quoted mantra (by all managers including GJ) that you only buy if a player is better than what you have already. So - Akinde 140,000 Trundle 1,000,000 Clarkson U/D 800,000 Sproule U/D 500,000 Styvaar U/D 650,000 Williams U/D 300,000 Wilson U/D 150,000 Saborio loan (must have been a loan fee £unknown) Agyemang loan ditto sno loan ditto total £3.5M None of the above have ever been regular first 11 players - Akinde's time may come but all the others have been bad buys IMO The successes Maynard 2,250,000 2,250,000 Collis Free Hartley Free Henderson Free Johnson Free McAllister Free Iwelumo loan CampbellRyce U/D 250,000 Elliott U/D 250,000 Fontaine U/D 50,000 Gerken U/D 400,000 Haynes U/D 400,000 McCoombe U/D 5,000 Nyatanga U/D 400,000 Approx £4M (I've not included Carey,Orr,Skuse as these were here pre GJ) The bottom line is (if you estimate and add loan fees on the first list for Sno, Saborio, Agyemang) that it's approaching 50/50 in terms of the almost £8 Million spent - half spent well and half spent poorly. All managers will make some mistakes in the transfer market - All will sign players that don't perform as expected but 50% of £8M spent on players not good enough for the CCC is very poor. GJ must be the luckiest manager in the CCC to work for SL, I don't think any other club chairman could afford a 50% success rate and still continue to back the manager with more signings and expensive loans despite the high level of questionable buys. To me it comes down to this question regardless of what has been achieved in the past - as we are where we are NOW and it's the next step and next season that's the focus. Q: Is there another manager - willing to come to BCFC - who could do better (than GJ) with the substantial funds provided by SL and take the club forward from this point . I believe there is - or to put it another way.......you are SL and GJ comes to you in the summer for another £2M (minimum) for a LB, CB, MF, CF ???? CR Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest david wka Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 How much do you think theses guys are on per week then............... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniro Posted March 16, 2010 Report Share Posted March 16, 2010 The bottom line is (if you estimate and add loan fees on the first list for Sno, Saborio, Agyemang) that it's approaching 50/50 in terms of the almost £8 Million spent - half spent well and half spent poorly. I agree with your overall point Codered it's a bit unfair to pick on Sno who has been injured for a month. He's a good player but Gj doesn't know how to make the most of him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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