Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 De La Soul and Run DMC were not even close to starting their careers when the whole Hip Hop movement was born. It actually started way before that, some say as early as the late 60's, when MC's used to chat over records at block parties etc, it's commonly recognised that Hip Hop is a whole culture and way of life that encompasses graffiti, rapping, breakdancing, And djing, the commercialised gack that we hear on the radio bragging about money, cars and jewellery is a far cry from the original pioneers of Hip Hop for whom rap music was an expression of where they were from and the hardships of everyday life was expressed through one of the mediums of hip hop. Correct probably the Last Poets 'the revolution will not be televised' are the earliest proponents of the genre, but the bands I mentioned probably made it more mainstream. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 De La Soul and Run DMC were not even close to starting their careers when the whole Hip Hop movement was born. It actually started way before that, some say as early as the late 60's, when MC's used to chat over records at block parties etc, it's commonly recognised that Hip Hop is a whole culture and way of life that encompasses graffiti, rapping, breakdancing, And djing, the commercialised gack that we hear on the radio bragging about money, cars and jewellery is a far cry from the original pioneers of Hip Hop for whom rap music was an expression of where they were from and the hardships of everyday life was expressed through one of the mediums of hip hop. So music is not so far removed from football then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
screech Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 DRE is a legend - don't you remember this? If you are going to make a music video you might as well pack as much blokey stuff in to it. Sun, sand , smokes, cars and womens wobbly bits bouncing, perfect video to a great track. Run DMC still my favourite though, a bit of Rock box for you. Ignore the first 1.10 of the video though, it's bollocks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 not all rap is like that, there are many hip hop artists who rap about violence and to someone who is not familiar with their music they may think they are glorifying it but they are actually speaking out against it. Boogie Down Productions rapped alot about violence but the underlying message was one of violence is bad. Many of these groups had lost artists through gang violence and a lot of rap is just observations of what the artists see around them. Like everything their are some who glorify violence (alot like some city fans) and I think that is why rap as a genre is misunderstood (again not unlike football fans). There are many deep, spiritual, ethical rappers. Hip hop has spanned for 40 years if you go back to Kool Herc. And yes they have heard of melody, there are some great hiphop/jazz/funk/disco fusions. Checkout Greg Osby 3D lifestyles for some raw jazz with hiphop, Gangstar's Guru's Jazzmatazz series with collaborations with Donald Byrd and the like. It is a great musical genre with many facets - give it a go!!! It's ironic that Rap is all about money now, these rappers most of whom IMHO are talentless figures moulded by their record companies are spending millions on yachts and mansions whilst one of the original pioneers and recognised first DJ of the Zulu nation faces potential legal action as he can't pay medical bills for an categorised condition, oh how the ethos has changed, all to indicitive of the parasitic world we live in today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Casual Connoisseur Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Correct probably the Last Poets 'the revolution will not be televised' are the earliest proponents of the genre, but the bands I mentioned probably made it more mainstream. Indeed. De La Soul, Tribe and the Jungle Brothers really reclassified the genre to mainstream with their whole organic, hippy antics, hip hop was reborn without the violence, the gold was dropped in disgust of what was happening in S Africa and hip hop was suddenly marketable to the middle classes across the states and the UK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 If you are going to make a music video you might as well pack as much blokey stuff in to it. Sun, sand , smokes, cars and womens wobbly bits bouncing, perfect video to a great track. Run DMC still my favourite though, a bit of Rock box for you. Ignore the first 1.10 of the video though, it's bollocks. this one for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Indeed. De La Soul, Tribe and the Jungle Brothers really reclassified the genre to mainstream with their whole organic, hippy antics, hip hop was reborn without the violence, the gold was dropped in disgust of what was happening in S Africa and hip hop was suddenly marketable to the middle classes across the states and the UK. The Last Poets inspired Gil Scott Heron who did a version of their 'the revolution will not be televised', Heron is the son of a former Celtic footballer of the 1950's, he was released from prison last year and released an awesome album called 'i'm new here' check it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hinsleburg Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 being one of the younger posters on here hip-hop is what i've grown up with and to me, some of it is incredible. the ability to tell stories in songs and most of them write their own songs and lyrics as opposed to most older musicians so the passion is much clearer. dr dre will always be a legend for re defining hip-hop/rap and the greatest musical find ever in marshall mathers. (being a bit picky shouldnt this thread be in the general chat section) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTR Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Personally I like the old reggae[trojan ,blue beat],desmond dekker,the pioneers ect.Cant stand rap, hip hip,garage ect.Its probably an age thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Personally I like the old reggae[trojan ,blue beat],desmond dekker,the pioneers ect.Cant stand rap, hip hip,garage ect.Its probably an age thing. Not an age thing, Trojan and blue beat are from generation as well but with art forms especially black orientated music it morphs into various other genres. I love blues, soul, tamla, reggae and some hip hop/rap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTR Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Not an age thing, Trojan and blue beat are from generation as well but with art forms especially black orientated music it morphs into various other genres. I love blues, soul, tamla, reggae and some hip hop/rap. I should of said gangsta rap,Ialso like soul,tamla ect.My favorite bands are the who,kinks, small faces and the like,who were of course influenced by blues music,like lead belly and we all know what he sang dont we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 I should of said gangsta rap,Ialso like soul,tamla ect.My favorite bands are the who,kinks, small faces and the like,who were of course influenced by blues music,like lead belly and we all know what he sang dont we. Yeah but he also sang 'diggin' my potatoes' about the pitch at the tented village. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTR Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Yeah but he also sang 'diggin' my potatoes' about the pitch at the tented village. Was he a celebrity gash head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LongwellRed Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Why anyone would need to look further than INXS for the ultimate musical ride is beyond me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cider head Posted February 3, 2011 Report Share Posted February 3, 2011 Give me the guy on your avatar over Dr Dre any day, in 20 years it'll be Dr Who?. Dr dre has been around for 26 years so no sign of giving up just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bucksred Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 So music is not so far removed from football then? bar one thing Em, the © rappers tend to be more successful...... :tongue: Most © rap is utter shite, but Dre is a wee bit smarter than the average Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizleCiderArmy Posted February 4, 2011 Report Share Posted February 4, 2011 rap with a capital C. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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