Nibor Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Looks like his timing was about perfect to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Claverham_Red Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Yup, just seen the highlights. Even with that picture the ball has already left Pitman's foot and he's still onside. Makes you wonder if the linesman actually saw when the ball was kicked - he's just guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
italian dave Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Shocking decision - but then all three officials made consistently inconsistent decisons all game (If you get what I mean!). The incident that led to that free kick, I think, was the one where the Burneley defender deliberately impeded Pitman who'd knocked te ball past him. Can anyone tell me what was the difference between that and the one 10 mins earlier when Damien Stewart blocked their guy. Apart from the fact that one resulted in a booking and the other didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steviestevieneville Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Linesman/person was a woman for that decision where was Andy Gray when we needed him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS3_RED Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Never mind. We dont want Nicky getting too many before the summer do we. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcshorey Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Being a ref myself, it is hard to judge offsides close as this one as the linesman has to be looking in 2 places at once, down the line, and at the ball. theres always gonna be a split second gap between looking at one to the other. Just gotta hope we get some decisions like that down the other end go our way when it matters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myol'man Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Linesman/person was a woman for that decision where was Andy Gray when we needed him No, it wasn't a women, just a very weedy looking bloke Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 20, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Being a ref myself, it is hard to judge offsides close as this one as the linesman has to be looking in 2 places at once, down the line, and at the ball. theres always gonna be a split second gap between looking at one to the other. Just gotta hope we get some decisions like that down the other end go our way when it matters. I thought linesmen were supposed to be watching the line and either listening for the ball being struck or using peripheral vision? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Shocking decision - but then all three officials made consistently inconsistent decisons all game (If you get what I mean!). The incident that led to that free kick, I think, was the one where the Burneley defender deliberately impeded Pitman who'd knocked te ball past him. Can anyone tell me what was the difference between that and the one 10 mins earlier when Damien Stewart blocked their guy. Apart from the fact that one resulted in a booking and the other didn't. Problem with that argument is he did book the Burnley bloke......... Looks like it was a mistake and Maynard timed his run well, I do have to say though that I thought the ref was good and one of the better ones this season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephen Lewis Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Being a ref myself, it is hard to judge offsides close as this one as the linesman has to be looking in 2 places at once, down the line, and at the ball. theres always gonna be a split second gap between looking at one to the other. Just gotta hope we get some decisions like that down the other end go our way when it matters. I agree it's hard , and that's why the lines person should give the benefit of the doubt to the attacker if he/she appears only just offside. But they don't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miketh2nd Posted March 20, 2011 Report Share Posted March 20, 2011 Problem with that argument is he did book the Burnley bloke......... Looks like it was a mistake and Maynard timed his run well, I do have to say though that I thought the ref was good and one of the better ones this season. Ref wasn't too bad but I was bemused to why he kept giving burnely free kicks when one of our players tackled from behind didn't touch the other guy actually got the ball. I noticed it happened on several occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpin Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Being a ref myself, it is hard to judge offsides close as this one as the linesman has to be looking in 2 places at once, down the line, and at the ball. theres always gonna be a split second gap between looking at one to the other. Just gotta hope we get some decisions like that down the other end go our way when it matters. Can't agree with that in this situation. For a set-piece like this on the other side of the pitch the assistant refs sole focus should be on the offside. At his angle he will be able to see when the kick is about to be taken from his peripheral vision. Fair enough when the ball is in open play but at a set-piece like this the assistant ref should be fully concentrated on the second to last defender. It shows a lack of concentration from an official - the score was 2-0, nice sunny day, game starting to peter out... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simon uk Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I am always inclined to back the referee, especially in the premier league - Ferguson and Wenger always blame the ref when something happens they dont like, but the job is about impossible when you have players diving and cheating. When their lot do it and it comes off they think its great, but when something happens to them then its terrible, like the Rooney elbow - that scum could have seriously injured mccarthy and man u were laughing about it saying they would back the referees decision! When you have a tight offside you are talking a fraction of a second to spot it, with no replays. It was unlucky for us, but we will get one go for us soon, hopefully in a tighter game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Ref wasn't too bad but I was bemused to why he kept giving burnely free kicks when one of our players tackled from behind didn't touch the other guy actually got the ball. I noticed it happened on several occasions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 All tackles from behind - irrespective of whether the ball is won or contact with the opponent is made - are now deemed as fouls due to their dangerous nature. Recent FIFA directive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CotswoldRed Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Being a ref myself, it is hard to judge offsides close as this one as the linesman has to be looking in 2 places at once, down the line, and at the ball. theres always gonna be a split second gap between looking at one to the other. Just gotta hope we get some decisions like that down the other end go our way when it matters. It is hard - I've had a go at refereeing myself. I always watched the player who is going to be onside/offiside and tried to following the kicker of the ball with peripheral vision - all at once. Try focussing on both and you'll hardly ever get it right without guessing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpin Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 All tackles from behind - irrespective of whether the ball is won or contact with the opponent is made - are now deemed as fouls due to their dangerous nature. Recent FIFA directive. Incorrect. FIFA have removed any mention of a tackle from behind from the laws. It is now for the referee to decide whether a tackle from whatever angle endangers the safety of an opponent. It is, however, likely that a tackle from behind has a high risk factor and will therefore be penalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CiderArmyy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Makes up for our second against Pompey, which looked a tad offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 some games you get them some you don't, Not to bothered about it as we were 2-0 up and for the first time since Cardiff game I came away happy from Ashton gate with a good performance from all involved pertically Maynard Pitman Johnson and Elliot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Incorrect. FIFA have removed any mention of a tackle from behind from the laws. It is now for the referee to decide whether a tackle from whatever angle endangers the safety of an opponent. It is, however, likely that a tackle from behind has a high risk factor and will therefore be penalised. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Pedantic, but you're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
terpin Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 It can be viewed as pedantic but it is frustrating to hear managers and pundits using this and other similar phrases like the dreaded "last man" when discussing situations when there is no reference to them in law. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I agree. As a former ref myself I think that the I'll-informed statements of pundits create false impressions amongst fans, most of whom have never studied the rules. My favourite is "ball-to-hand, ref!" and the assumption that any tackle is fine as long as the ball is touched first; it is not. However, I have noticed that one really has to stay up to date with the directives (eg the ever-changing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 .... Offside law. There's nothing worse than an out of touch ex-ref (ie me!) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I thought linesmen were supposed to be watching the line and either listening for the ball being struck or using peripheral vision? To be fair, on some occasions with long balls hit fast it is extremely difficult. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted March 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 To be fair, on some occasions with long balls hit fast it is extremely difficult. I wouldn't disagree that it can be difficult to use peripheral vision, far more so in open play than on set plays, but you can usually hear a ball being struck. It takes less than a tenth of a second for that sound to travel a hundred feet. Watching a ball being struck and changing your vision to look along a line and then refocusing can't ever be as quick and therefore as accurate IMO. It doesn't matter how fast a ball is hit either. Honestly I think the real problem is that it is not psychologically natural to give the attacker the advantage when there is doubt so in practise it almost never happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 To be fair, on some occasions with long balls hit fast it is extremely difficult. Exactly..........I try to avoid moaning about officials......the job is difficult enough with cheating players and non respectful managers etc having a go all the while What we have to remember is that without them (good or bad) .....there would be no games for us to enjoy....end of Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SC_Red Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I wouldn't disagree that it can be difficult to use peripheral vision, far more so in open play than on set plays, but you can usually hear a ball being struck. It takes less than a tenth of a second for that sound to travel a hundred feet. Watching a ball being struck and changing your vision to look along a line and then refocusing can't ever be as quick and therefore as accurate IMO. It doesn't matter how fast a ball is hit either. Honestly I think the real problem is that it is not psychologically natural to give the attacker the advantage when there is doubt so in practise it almost never happens. have you ever run the line at a game? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boadle Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 I always found that it was actually harder to run the line than it was to be in the middle, and many of my more senior colleagues agreed with me. It's not just the division of attention between ball being played and the back line, but also between fouls and watching for last contact for a throw, up the entire line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted March 21, 2011 Report Share Posted March 21, 2011 Looks to me that his head may just have been that tiny bit ahead of the last defender- hence offside. Like when Quagriella had a goal disallowed in WC for offside. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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