Abraham Romanovich Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Is it just me or is he a poor mans Lee Johnson. He looks ponderous in possesion plays too deep. Can't seem to release the ball quickly enough or even spot a pass. If he is the answer in midfield what the hell was the question? .
Frank Reynolds Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 He's played what, 6 games? In a disjointed team that all play like they've just met. Leeds fans told us what to expect, and I don't think he's a bad option. LJ thinks he's Steven Gerrard-lite, pinging 40 yard passes to opposition full-backs.
Guest Tony Montana Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 He's more like Hartley than Lee Johnson. All these people saying we need a creative midfielder are expecting us to go get a guy who can split a defence in half and play passes straight through the middle, theres no-one at this level who i have seen do that. Who do you want Xavi ? Millen is the reason we lose, he has no tactical knowledge and no motivation skills!
Donald Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 I'd say a better version of LJ, But that wasn't what we need, we need a Hartley/Tinnion Don't think he's a bad signing, just maybe not what was needed
Betelgeuse Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 He's been average at best so far. Holds on to the ball far to much at times. I don't think he's improved our team at all but Millens tactics aint helping anyone.
Frank Reynolds Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 I'd say a better version of LJ, But that wasn't what we need, we need a Hartley/Tinnion Don't think he's a bad signing, just maybe not what was needed I think Kilkenny is more like Tins. I think we're crying out for someone who can run at a defence and drive us forward without going gung-ho. In the Championship, WHO?!
Pederho ll Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Is it just me or is he a poor mans Lee Johnson. He looks ponderous in possesion plays too deep. Can't seem to release the ball quickly enough or even spot a pass. If he is the answer in midfield what the hell was the question? . Well, he's no better thats LJ that's for sure. I agree, however, he has not got a lot of options most of the time, so it makes him look even worse. It also looked very much like he exchanged verbals with BCFC fan in the EE All in all, no better then what we had. Another great Millen signing.
glynriley Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Is it just me or is he a poor mans Lee Johnson. He looks ponderous in possesion plays too deep. Can't seem to release the ball quickly enough or even spot a pass. If he is the answer in midfield what the hell was the question? . For me he is a similar player to Leon Britton of Swansea , who wants to pick the ball up from defence and set attacks in motion. The difference with us and Swansea is we have poor movement in front of him.
SC_Red Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 I'd say a better version of LJ, But that wasn't what we need, we need a Hartley/Tinnion Don't think he's a bad signing, just maybe not what was needed Buying players you dont need when monies tight is a bad signing surely?
glynriley Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Buying players you dont need when monies tight is a bad signing surely? Dont get me started on Bolasie & Taylor then !!
fka dagest Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Kilkenny is a more aggressive, assertive version of Lee Johnson. He isn't a bad player. He is not the creative player we were led to believe he was. He is a duff signing in a team still lacking creativity. That all comes down to Keith Clueless Millen.
mcbcfc Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 He's more like ray Wilkins backwards and sideway passes
The Bard Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 For me he is a similar player to Leon Britton of Swansea , who wants to pick the ball up from defence and set attacks in motion. The difference with us and Swansea is we have poor movement in front of him. Spot on. Our movement is terrible. we don't look to lose a man by shifting him out of position. Sides like Brighton and Swansea do that all over the pitch. Just before half time Spence took a throw near the corner flag. Not one of our players was moving when he threw it in. This clearly isn't central to our training and needs to be if we want to persist with 4 5 1. My issue with Kilkenny is his almost complete inability to tackle. A couple of his 'challenges' were embarrassing today.
Economou Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Well, he's no better thats LJ that's for sure. I agree, however, he has not got a lot of options most of the time, so it makes him look even worse. It also looked very much like he exchanged verbals with BCFC fan in the EE All in all, no better then what we had. Another great Millen signing. Kilkenny was having a slanging match with Pitman, said fan then abused Kilkenny who raised an eyebrow but no more.
Pickle Rick Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 He's more like Hartley than Lee Johnson. All these people saying we need a creative midfielder are expecting us to go get a guy who can split a defence in half and play passes straight through the middle, theres no-one at this level who i have seen do that. Who do you want Xavi ? Millen is the reason we lose, he has no tactical knowledge and no motivation skills! This. Well said. Millen/Wigeley have consistantly shown they're tactically clueless.
bringbacktherobin Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Does anyone know what him and pitman were arguing about in the second half?
GrahamC Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Does anyone know what him and pitman were arguing about in the second half? No, but if I was Kilkenny I'd shut my mouth as he'd been on the pitch 80 minutes at that stage and done one good thing. For those saying he's better than LJ, I've absolutely no idea why, he does nothing better.
bringbacktherobin Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 No, but if I was Kilkenny I'd shut my mouth as he'd been on the pitch 80 minutes at that stage and done one good thing. For those saying he's better than LJ, I've absolutely no idea why, he does nothing better. He also had ago at the eastend aswell, but i think he was getting mixed up with people shouting "w**nker" at the player taking the corner, and not that the chant wasnt aimed at him.
simonwheeler Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Is it just me or is he a poor mans Lee Johnson. He looks ponderous in possesion plays too deep. Can't seem to release the ball quickly enough or even spot a pass. If he is the answer in midfield what the hell was the question? . Spookily I made exactly the same comment half way through the second half today? Apart from a different name and number he is a Doppelganger for Little Lee???
Mr Popodopolous Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 For me he is a similar player to Leon Britton of Swansea , who wants to pick the ball up from defence and set attacks in motion. The difference with us and Swansea is we have poor movement in front of him. Could be could be- time will tell. Agree with you on the movement though, so so static at times.
Guest AlwayBelieves Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 Yup Kilkenny is Fekkin Sh*t... He is a absolute Pansy, does not bring anything to this team that Lee Johnson didn't
nickolas Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 How on earth is he a regular starter for the aussies tho?! I dont like LJ but kilkenny is no diffrent. Hate to say it but we need a nasty b@stard in midfield to spice fings up. We need a savage/derry type midfielder.
Pete1975Legend Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 What annoys me is that LJ was part of our succesful side who was then lambasted by many people on this forum and in the ground when he did what Kilkenny does. This Kilkenny gets no slating at all, just proves to me it was about who signed LJ to the club and not the player himself!!! Bring back LJ with Elliott again it worked last season and it could work again. If you get chance read 10th paragraph down and who says Johnson cant tackle?
Guest Paco Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 I told you lads: http://www.otib.co.uk/index.php?/topic/138250-kilkenny-from-a-leeds-fan/page__p__1413111__fromsearch__1#entry1413111 You'll resent him and his style massively before the season's out. All he offer you is 5-10yard short passes 8o yards from goal. You'll wish for more but you won't get it.
Alex_BCFC Posted September 10, 2011 Posted September 10, 2011 I think he looks a fair bit better than LJ. He has had a fair few opportunites to shoot and that doesn't look like one of his strong points. Should be hitting the target more often.
Guest Mr Wendall Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 I can see where his qualities are I just think he slowed the game down when we need to be zipping the ball about.
Guest Mr Wendall Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Well yeah that's a good point, lack of movement was terrible. Saying that there were a few obvious passes he could of made but held on to it to long.
Talk Of The Town Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Far better player than Lee Johnson, id say hes more busier as well
steviestevieneville Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Is it just me or is he a poor mans Lee Johnson. He looks ponderous in possesion plays too deep. Can't seem to release the ball quickly enough or even spot a pass. If he is the answer in midfield what the hell was the question? . He keeps the ball to long because there is no movement in front of him. You watch how fluid other teams midfields are compared to ours, it's pathetic we are so static it's unreal.
AtyeoRed Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 so here we go its Kilkennys fault, the lads been pushed in to a Mid Field, which if we are honest did not work last season so why are we surprised its not working now. The mid field do'es not create, but then they did'nt last term. Skuse and Elliott did not work last season, but they get picked week after week, oh thats because they have to support our weak defence. But surely if the mid field were creative it would take some of the pressure off the Defence, Kilkenny seemed like a man drowning yesterday, not to sure of what was going on, to be honest neither did I. And can someone explain Millens first sub? He takes off a Player (JCR) who was trying to make something happen, and replaced him with a striker, who he promptly puts out wide, I took a look at the dug out, I thought GJ was back. We have players at City good enough to keep us in the Championship, perhaps its not the players we should be looking at, but the Management and Couching Staff perhaps. Just a thought.
Redtucks Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 I told you lads: http://www.otib.co.u..._1#entry1413111 So I've been perusing your site today to see your first impressions of Neil Kilkenny and it appears you think you were getting a "creative midfielder"? Let me correct you right there, in no way shape or form us Kilkenny a "creative" midfielder. What you've got it a player who will sit in front of the defence, getting the ball off the defence and playing little 5-10 yard passes to wingers or fullbacks. At this he is very capable just as he is at giving a player in his own half an option and keeping the ball in his own half trading passes with his back four. He's accomplished in tight spots and is happy to receive the ball under pressure, very reliable in that way. That's where his skillset ends. He will make it into the final third probably a dozen times a season, he'll get a few assists but from the amount of ball he receives it will be a paltry amount (5 for us last season despite comfortably having more of the ball than anyone in the side) and mostly from set pieces and slide rule passes from deep. His biggest weakness is he's a massive girly man and refuses to tackle despite playing in the area of the pitch where the best tacklers play (defensive mid). He shirks challenges like they're going out of fashion and will often summon one of his teammates to do his tackling for him so he can get on with the job of making 5-10 yard mostly sideways passes. He'll win one header a season. He'll have maybe ten shots a season. He'll also point point point and moan moan moan and I guarantee that will get on your nerves when you realise he doesn't reall earn the right on the pitch to point and moan as much as he does. He's very good at what he does (keeping the ball and playing simple passes) but in the three years he was with us he was never a fan's favourite. This was down to how limited and soft he was. Everyone loves his ability to calm the team down but we all knew we deserved a player with a better alround game (we've got a lad called Adam Clayton from Man City now who's going to be star) Basically Killa plays in the defensive midfielder area of the pitch, passes like a defensive midfielder (neat and tidy playing simple passes to players who are more creative) but, bizarrely, he refuses to tackle. If you've got two good wingers (like Snodgrass and Gradel) and you can afford to play two midfielders with Kilkenny who will do his running and tackling (Howson and Johnson) then he'll do what he does well and sit deep get the ball from your defenders to your wingers and attacking midfielders so they can make things happen. But don't hold your breath expecting a Xavi-type or even a Wes Hoolahan, you've basically got Shaun Derry without the tackling! You'll resent him and his style massively before the season's out. All he offer you is 5-10yard short passes 8o yards from goal. You'll wish for more but you won't get it. I hadn't read this before now, but it sums up exactly what I've seen so far from Kilkenny.
Pickle Rick Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 I like Kilkenny, at least he has hunger and passion on the pitch, regardless of the crock of shit that can surround him at times. He always wants the ball and will look forwards. To think that LJ is similar or almost as decent is testament to ones poor view on a players ability. LJ is not fit for purpose in the championship, kilkenny definitely is.
Redtucks Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 And can someone explain Millens first sub? He takes off a Player (JCR) who was trying to make something happen.... ....because he had a groin strain.
Economou Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 I like Kilkenny, at least he has hunger and passion on the pitch, regardless of the crock of shit that can surround him at times. He always wants the ball and will look forwards. To think that LJ is similar or almost as decent is testament to ones poor view on a players ability. LJ is not fit for purpose in the championship, kilkenny definitely is. A view based on what exactly ? Can't be the number of games he's played in the C'ship.
GrahamC Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 ....because he had a groin strain. Judging by the way JCR walked off in slow motion and was clearly unhappy with coming off I'd doubt this very much.....
TRL Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Judging by the way JCR walked off in slow motion and was clearly unhappy with coming off I'd doubt this very much..... Not likely to run off with a groinstrain is he. I saw him today, limping. Good chance he injured himself. Kilkenny well definitly Johnson mk2 as I said when he arrived. Kilkenny is better in tighter spots, and I can't believe I'm gonna say this, Johnson gets forward better. Much of a muchness. Obviously Johnson is ten times worse because he was daddy's blue eyed boy.
Redtucks Posted September 11, 2011 Posted September 11, 2011 Judging by the way JCR walked off in slow motion and was clearly unhappy with coming off I'd doubt this very much..... So if you had a groin strain, you'd sprint off looking really happy would you? ......or does it just not suit your agenda?
GrahamC Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 So if you had a groin strain, you'd sprint off looking really happy would you? ......or does it just not suit your agenda? I don't have an "agenda", believe you me, nothing would make me happier than Millen making a success of being City's manager. For what it's worth I like the idea of someone with a connection with the club (and after a dozen years an affinity with the area) being in charge of us. However I don't think it is a question of "sprinting off", JCR looked shocked that he'd been subbed and the slow trudge off looked to me that of a man who thought it the wrong decision. JCR may well have been limping when TRL saw him but he looked to be moving ok to me before the hook and was certainly contributing more than others who stayed on for 90 minutes.
Redtucks Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 The point is that, whilst we have all sorts of "experts" on here who are very adept at advising Millen what he should or should not do, and catagorically state that he hasn't a clue, the fact is that most of us know absolutely nothing about the reasons why certain players are picked, substituted or whatever. Who is it then that are really clueless?
AtyeoRed Posted September 12, 2011 Posted September 12, 2011 The point is that, whilst we have all sorts of "experts" on here who are very adept at advising Millen what he should or should not do, and catagorically state that he hasn't a clue, the fact is that most of us know absolutely nothing about the reasons why certain players are picked, substituted or whatever. Who is it then that are really clueless? Ah well then going on what you have just posted, you must know3 something that we "the clueless ones" dont. Care to enlighten us!!!!
Alex_BCFC Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 I presume that over the past few games everyone has noticed that the argument that LJ is even close to Kilkenny is ridiculous.
TRL Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 I presume that over the past few games everyone has noticed that the argument that LJ is even close to Kilkenny is ridiculous. Not really, he is a small improvement, nothing amazing imo
Donald Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 I presume that over the past few games everyone has noticed that the argument that LJ is even close to Kilkenny is ridiculous. Agreed. Indeed, picks out passes SUCCESSFULLY that Johnson just never see's Looking good
Alex_BCFC Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 One of the main things is that he doesn't give the ball away right infront of goal. That award now seems to be with Skuse when he plays CM.
Riaz Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 Very similar to Lee Johnson. But for me, NK is a big improvement. He has more drive and dictates alot more.
BCFC Jordan Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 I think 4-4-2 will suit him much more, and that was evident yesterday. Obviously he won't be a huge tackler but he will pressure the opposing players much more than LJ. I also love the fact that he's always shouting instructions at the players... captain anyone? One thing that puzzles me though, is the fact that Kilkenny plays just in front of the defence with Marv further forward. Surely it should be the other way around?
TRL Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 I think 4-4-2 will suit him much more, and that was evident yesterday. Obviously he won't be a huge tackler but he will pressure the opposing players much more than LJ. I also love the fact that he's always shouting instructions at the players... captain anyone? One thing that puzzles me though, is the fact that Kilkenny plays just in front of the defence with Marv further forward. Surely it should be the other way around? Not really killa is not an attacking midfielder, he is your water carrier type, keep hold of the ball and pass it out to the wings. Never in a million years is he a attacking creative midfielder.
Red-Robbo Posted September 25, 2011 Posted September 25, 2011 What he shares with little Lee is a complete inability to defend.
Puckle_red Posted September 26, 2011 Posted September 26, 2011 I think 4-4-2 will suit him much more, and that was evident yesterday. Obviously he won't be a huge tackler but he will pressure the opposing players much more than LJ. I also love the fact that he's always shouting instructions at the players... captain anyone? One thing that puzzles me though, is the fact that Kilkenny plays just in front of the defence with Marv further forward. Surely it should be the other way around? Marv has always played that role, with LJ or Carle so no Marv is not a defensive midfielder just because he's big. He's basically a waste of a player. Bobby Reid alongside Kilkenny, or even Woolford alongside Kilkenny would be a great move imo. Also replace one-paced and lack of final ball JCR for Bolasie. Kilkenny is OK. He does excactly the same as LJ apart from he tracks back a bit better and he moans a lot more. Captain? No way. We need a real Captain e.g. Carey even at right back we need a leader on the pitch. But then again, he won't drop the man with lack of ability (Skuse), so another heartless performance Tuesday.
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