Murraysrightplum Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 After the doom and gloom on here yesterday I wasn't sure whether to even bother watching 13 mins of Brighton battering us. Just watched it and I have to say some of the reactions on here seem a bit over the top. Ok highlights can be editted but first half it looked like we completely controlled the game. At times we looked really good going forward but there were problems with the final pass. Several times there were players in goal scoring opportunities and the player with the ball chose the wrong option. JCR looked to be controlling the game well but he was seriously guilty of taking the wrong option with the last pass. Marv looked to be getting forward well, albert seemed to have a good game but if Maynard doesn't score we never really look like doing so. Regarding the formation, I actually agree with Keith - It looked to be working ok we were created space and chances. The main problem I believe is personel, I don't think Maynard can be played in the middle on his own as he does best with another strike partner. I think we'd look a lot better with Stead in that position rather than Maynard. So the question is do you select your formation based on your best player (Maynard), in which case we need to play 4-4-2, or do you pick your formation and put players in the right place. At the minute Millen is trying to do both and it isn't working. So that's the choice IMO; drop maynard for Stead or switch formation and risk our central midfield being over run. It was 10 times better than Donny from the highlights... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOLMANDAN Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Carefull................. positive posts attract all sorts of abuse i would put on your tin hat and get ready for the "happy clapper" jibes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 You didn't control the game but it was quite a close one. We had one chance 2nd half from a corner that was going in but hit there guy just infront of the line. At the other end they had the bounce of the ball when they scored. Is it pure bad luck or not? Well we seem to lose when we play OK and lose when we play badly. The real problem is we never play well enough to ensure luck is not a factor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskay Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Just watched it and I have to say some of the reactions on here seem a bit over the top. I am glad you posted this, I was one of the minority who felt that we played OK against a team who are flying at the moment. I think some people on here get carried away with the general underlying mood. Three points would have been nice but I took some comfort from a solid performance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fodbarmyarmy Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Carefiul guys.......as already stated....a positive and truthful post will not sit well with the "Experts" on here who know exactly what is needed and how easy it is to sort out and also know for a "fact" that Millen cant be bothered and has lost the players , the tea lady even his wife & kids apparently.... For what it's worth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhyde Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I don't actually mind 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 at home, in our first season in the champ we played 4-5-1 a lot, and it was rather good. if however you don't play a small quick and unfit striker on his own up front then don't change it. Things like that worry me rather than playing a perfectly viable formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
megansdad Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 agree with the op highlights showed an even game though brighton had chances after we gave a way another soft goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the1stknowle Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 After the doom and gloom on here yesterday I wasn't sure whether to even bother watching 13 mins of Brighton battering us. Just watched it and I have to say some of the reactions on here seem a bit over the top. Ok highlights can be editted but first half it looked like we completely controlled the game. At times we looked really good going forward but there were problems with the final pass. Several times there were players in goal scoring opportunities and the player with the ball chose the wrong option. JCR looked to be controlling the game well but he was seriously guilty of taking the wrong option with the last pass. Marv looked to be getting forward well, albert seemed to have a good game but if Maynard doesn't score we never really look like doing so. Regarding the formation, I actually agree with Keith - It looked to be working ok we were created space and chances. The main problem I believe is personel, I don't think Maynard can be played in the middle on his own as he does best with another strike partner. I think we'd look a lot better with Stead in that position rather than Maynard. So the question is do you select your formation based on your best player (Maynard), in which case we need to play 4-4-2, or do you pick your formation and put players in the right place. At the minute Millen is trying to do both and it isn't working. So that's the choice IMO; drop maynard for Stead or switch formation and risk our central midfield being over run. It was 10 times better than Donny from the highlights... Good post. Sometimes get the impression that Keith almost has it right tactically but where he falls down is with immovable loyalty to get certain players in the team regardless of what formation he sets out to play. We have a big squad but KM seems determined to use 12 or 13 players only and simply rotate those into the starting formation of the day. And the danger is we are likely to lose some real talent in the squad as a result (Pitman, ribs, cisse maybe even Reid). But Saturday certainly wasn't terrible. Nicky is by a mile our best player. But that doesnt always mean that our best team will have Nicky in it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NOTR Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Agree with most of this,but as has been said the final ball is awful.We got behind them a few times chose the wrong option every single time,very frustrating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evy11_BCFC Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I don't actually mind 4-5-1 / 4-3-3 at home, in our first season in the champ we played 4-5-1 a lot, and it was rather good. if however you don't play a small quick and unfit striker on his own up front then don't change it. Things like that worry me rather than playing a perfectly viable formation. The difference between then and now is that we had Noble playing just off the striker in that season. That helped us keep possession higher up the pitch than we do currently. The problem we have is that the midfield 3 are all defensive minded and we don't have anyone finding gaps between the opposition's defence and midfield. For that reason, if Millen does persist with 4-5-1, Bobby Reid should be considered as he has the type of game needed to play in that specialist position. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red_Mat Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 But Saturday certainly wasn't terrible. Nicky is by a mile our best player. But that doesnt always mean that our best team will have Nicky in it. I agree; our best 4-5-1 (or 4-3-3, if you must) probably doesn't have Nicky in it. Nicky works best running the channels, latching onto balls through the gaps, getting in between the full backs and centre backs, turning them inside out and working just inside the penalty area. In a 4-5-1, he's required to play deeper and, more often than now, with his back to goal. He's required to bring JCR, Albert and Marvin into the game with neat passing or knockdowns - neither of which are his strong point. If you want someone up front who you can play long balls up to winning flick-ons or holding the ball up, then Jon Stead or Ryan Taylor are the sort of players you need because they can win it in the air. If you want to play it along the ground and create a more intricate style of passing, then Pitman or Clarkson are your men because they can pass the ball and can see the gaps. Nicky needs to play with players (whether they're attacking midfielders in the mould of David Noble or a fellow striker like Pitman) who can play the ball through the gaps that he likes to run into. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheese Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 The joker on SSN said Bristol City were brilliant. He was watching the game, I wasn't so I can't comment but thought I'd throw that into the mix. Anyway, at the end of the day you live or die by your results. And Keiths aren't good enough- whatever the reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim S Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Good post. Sometimes get the impression that Keith almost has it right tactically but where he falls down is with immovable loyalty to get certain players in the team regardless of what formation he sets out to play. We have a big squad but KM seems determined to use 12 or 13 players only and simply rotate those into the starting formation of the day. And the danger is we are likely to lose some real talent in the squad as a result (Pitman, ribs, cisse maybe even Reid). But Saturday certainly wasn't terrible. Nicky is by a mile our best player. But that doesnt always mean that our best team will have Nicky in it. I thought for the fist half and about 10 mins in the second half we actually played well and were in control of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mundz18 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Not saying JCR should be dropped but if we played Stead up front and moved Maynard out on the left surely he'll fit in to the 4-5-1 (4-3-3) formation. He's better at picking the ball up, cutting in and having a long shot, one goal that always sticks in my mind is the one he scored past Newcastle a few years back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Is it pure bad luck or not? Well we seem to lose when we play OK and lose when we play badly. The real problem is we never play well enough to ensure luck is not a factor. Very interesting way of looking at it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhyde Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 The difference between then and now is that we had Noble playing just off the striker in that season. That helped us keep possession higher up the pitch than we do currently. The problem we have is that the midfield 3 are all defensive minded and we don't have anyone finding gaps between the opposition's defence and midfield. For that reason, if Millen does persist with 4-5-1, Bobby Reid should be considered as he has the type of game needed to play in that specialist position. In that system, aside from playing a striker who could hold the ball up, up front, we've got Marvin who's still in the midfield, Kilkenny who plays the role Johnson does, Adomah who's better than Sproule, JCR who's around the same standard as the good McIndoe, but yet, we've replaced the David Noble role with,...Cole SKuse, and wonder why we don't look like scoring. Not only can we not hold the ball up front, we also have no support to the striker. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 I thought we started off very well forcing Brighton back and resorting them to 'long' ball. Elliot in particular was enabled to push forward by Skuse and Kilkenny. However, when when Nyatanga and Wilson (who, incidentally get better and better) cleared from defence we didn't pick it up in Midfield. We had 3 in the middle but still didn't control or really affect that area of the pitch. I think if we had done we might have been able to get the ball out to Adomah / JCR more in support of Maynard. As the game wore on we seemed to just try and hold on for a draw, thats possibly down to Brighton too but as the home team we should've changed it to create a different problem for Brighton and pose a threat. I thought Keith realised this by bringing on Stead but we seem unable to change system unless it's by throwing on strikers and hoping for the best. Thats how I recall the game. I've not watched the highlights yet though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenn Loyal Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Extended highlights, that took you all of 30 seconds then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tonto Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 Pleased someone else has already raised this. 13 mins of highlights and I've come to the same conclusion. We seem to have matched top of the league for most of the game and for a bit more quality in the final 1/3 we could have won the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP8 Posted September 12, 2011 Report Share Posted September 12, 2011 just watched it aswell and looks much better in the cold light of day then when i was there on sat and think we deserved at least a point but with that formation we still look like we are going to strugle to score! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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