BristolCity1992 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 20 minutes to go and 2-0 up, surely the players that are on so much money should be able to hold that and while I now think Kieth is on really borrowed time I am at a lose to as how he can be blamed for that collapse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangers Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 2nd bottom. the table dont lie. We ALL know he isnt the man to take us further. What is the point of him being here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Esmond Million's Bung Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 20 minutes to go and 2-0 up, surely the players that are on so much money should be able to hold that and while I now think Kieth is on really borrowed time I am at a lose to as how he can be blamed for that collapse. of course but managers get sacked players don't, that's life. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deckard79 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Yes they should, however these players need to be managed in such a way that they perform to their potential, otherwise we'll go down. We can't suddenly change our entire squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjbcfc Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Yes !! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted September 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 That is true and I am not suggesting otherwise. However the players should be in for some serious stick as well as the manager, just saying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MC Risk Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Maybe, but unfortunately they are trained by the coaches, surely they train on how to close a game out.....i think they lack direction and any tactical nous, and unfortunately that falls on Millen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dastardly and Muttley Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 It's all about confidence. The players don't believe in themselves or the tactics, and that's down to management. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bris Red Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 of course but managers get sacked players don't, that's life. exactly. you hear the same bollox year in year out by various fan up and down the country. ''players arn't playing for the shirt'' blah blah but the buck stops with the doughnut that is Millen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shire_redz Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 As someone else pointed out: "What about the last 12 months?" It's clearer than a clear thing on clear day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2015 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 get him out of this club right now!!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfietopred Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 NOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Yes some of the players should take the blame...BUT! 2-0 up and cruising and peppering their defence. Pitman looked ran out, couldn't chase the ball around 65th minute and he did a lot of running and was in my opinion very impressive. I would have brought on Taylor for Pitman at 2-0 and ask Taylor to hold it up. Several player looking tired including Carey and should have been replaced. This is where we lost it. They made substitutions and got the result....simple! Millen, sorry, until you go, I stay away and I've never done that! MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted September 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 That's what I was looking for, I have not been tonight so wondered what had happened to see us collapse in the end. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Monkeh Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 They never got the blame under Johnson when it went wrong why should thy now? Keef has to go there was under 10k there tonight by the time he has finished it will down to 4k Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfietopred Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Were Bristol city we always collapse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfietopred Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Were Bristol city we always collapse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
054123 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Yes, but who steers the ship? Its like a class of school kids. It's not that they don't have the ability, but without the right teacher they're ******. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alfietopred Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Were Bristol city we always collapse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chinapig Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Of course players should take responsibility but in the modern game they are not responsible for anything they do on or off the pitch. They know perfectly well that while managers get sacked they are untouchable so why would they bother about anything beyond which flash car to buy next? Sadly for Keith even if the players are to blame the manager is accountable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BristolCity1992 Posted September 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Of course players should take responsibility but in the modern game they are not responsible for anything they do on or off the pitch. They know perfectly well that while managers get sacked they are untouchable so why would they bother about anything beyond which flash car to buy next? Sadly for Keith even if the players are to blame the manager is accountable. When I saw the score that was my exact thought... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old_eastender Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Yes some of the players should take the blame...BUT! 2-0 up and cruising and peppering their defence. Pitman looked ran out, couldn't chase the ball around 65th minute and he did a lot of running and was in my opinion very impressive. I would have brought on Taylor for Pitman at 2-0 and ask Taylor to hold it up. Several player looking tired including Carey and should have been replaced. This is where we lost it. They made substitutions and got the result....simple! Millen, sorry, until you go, I stay away and I've never done that! EXACTLY - All down to Millen not recognising when subs need to be made and his obsession with playing strikers on the sodding left wing... WE WANT MILLEN OUT NOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kit Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Either millen told pitman to go and sit in midfield for the 5 minutes before the collapse, or he didn't tell him not to. Millen also chose to put a target man on the left wing giving license for their full back to go forward more at the end. Millen also chose to persist with campbell ryce who was doing a pretty good job of breaking down our attacks when he got his little feet on the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
madmax Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Actually, just before Reading scored their first, Millen and Pitman had an argument and lots of arm waving etc.... Pitman threw his hand in the air (as if to say go away) and from that point was out of the game. I think it was down to him dropping deeper in to midfield. MM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Bard Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 It's all about confidence. The players don't believe in themselves or the tactics, and that's down to management. They believed in themselves and the tactics for 72 minutes then forgot how to see a game out. Too many of them are weak mentally. I genuinely feel sorry for Nyatanga and Wilson as they played well and somehow lost the game. My main beef with Millen was not having Cisse on the bench as with Skuse out we didn't have any midfield cover. We'd have seen the game out if he'd been brought on with 20/25 minutes left. 4 5 1, make sure we stay solid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex_BCFC Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 I don't actually think Millen did anything wrong tonight and for 70 minutes we played well. But overall the guy just won't cut it for his in the long term and I think his time is up. Shame as he is a nice honest guy who is only trying his best. Bit of back luck tonight but overall not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 They believed in themselves and the tactics for 72 minutes then forgot how to see a game out. Too many of them are weak mentally. I genuinely feel sorry for Nyatanga and Wilson as they played well and somehow lost the game. My main beef with Millen was not having Cisse on the bench as with Skuse out we didn't have any midfield cover. We'd have seen the game out if he'd been brought on with 20/25 minutes left. 4 5 1, make sure we stay solid. Absolutely. Millen's one substitution was baffling and lack of 2 others even more so, but the complete absence of confidence and fight in some of them defied logic for the last 20. Let's name names, Maynard, dear oh dear, missed three chances, had he taken any of them that would have seen us home. JCR desperately poor all game yet left on and Albert seems unable to play 90 any more.James badly gifted them the second, too. The lack of anyone to come in and play in front of the back four for the last 15 cost us big time tonight, Cisse may not be a world beater but if he'd been on the bench and used we could have held on despite zero confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red Planet Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 It's ironic. My view of the season so far is that our defence have played well generally and in particular Wilson and McGivern have been outstanding. Meanwhile the attack have been poor and underperforming. Tonight our front line played a blinder (although Maynard should have scored from at least two opportunities) but our defence (and in partcular DJ) let us down badly in the last 20 minutes. And I am sorry, Carey has been a fantastic servant of this club but what are we doing starting him when Ribiero is available (I believe). Louis was turned easily by their left winger who made the cross for their first goal. When you are 2 nil up at home, you should win the match, not lose it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redhyde Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Yes they absolutely should, but we can't sack them. There is one person in charge of getting results, signing players and picking teams. And we can sack him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Northern Red Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 Yes they absolutely should, but we can't sack them. There is one person in charge of getting results, signing players and picking teams. And we can sack him. Yep. The buck stops with the manager, always has done, always will. They know it themselves, they even say it when interviewed. In a way it's unfortunate, as there are several players at this club who are on easy street, who are as culpable as any manager has been for the mess we're in, yet they are never held accountable for their actions (or lack thereof). Of course, this isn't just an issue for City, but for countless clubs up and down the land. I reckon there's no more than a handful of managers in the country with enough job security to be able to totally reshape the foundations of their club. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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