bangers Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I rate Kilkenny very highly, but clearly so far this season, whether due to lack of movement or not, our "creative player" hasn't delivered the service we needed. Now, with Skuse and Elliott in the middle, while we moaned, we did score goals.....a lot more than we are now. Should we resort back to the hard-working, physical approach which was relatively successfull? Something needs to change..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turbored Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Think your right , he dont close down enough , cant/wont tackle , dont win any headers and his delivery of corners free kicks are just floated in which any half decent keeper will deal with. As well whoever we have between the sticks dont help either. Look at James today one minute he is out trying to intercept the ball the next he is asleep on his line when he should come out to get the ball . How do the defence know what he will do next , but the thing is Gerkens just as bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I would like to see us try playing with 2 defensive midfielders in Elliot and Cisse then play Clarkson off Pitman with Adomah and JCR on the wings. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Clarkson??? Yes, David Clarkson.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bringbacktherobin Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I think the main problem is, the players we do have are just simply not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Brent Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I thought it was one of his better games today. He put himself about a bit more as well. Players like him need to be in a 3 man midfield i think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrizzleRed Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Clarkson??? No doubting he's lightweight and seems to get brushed off the ball far too easily, but he has shown he's got an eye for a pass, which is more than we can say for most of the present 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Great Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 He was knackered after an hour, embarrassing that a 35 year old Steven Carr breezed past him several times after he shifted out to the left. Thought he played fairly well in the first half though to be fair. I don't want to see us go back to Skuse and Marv in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horseshoe Red Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Kilkenny just slows our game down and can do nothing Lee Johnson couldn't do end of!.......... Does not improve our team!...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickolas Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Perhaps its because kilkenny is no better than lee johnson?! Cant and wont tackle, doesnt create, cant head etc. I'll give him one thing though, he likes to moan and point out where everyone else is going wrong. Perhaps mr bigshot kilkenny should look a little closer to home. 3 man midfield of cisse, elliott n bobby reid for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Betelgeuse Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Kilkenny isn't hard working enough for a team that needs some fighters to step up. He is a moaner and often blames others when it's obvious he was at fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerly known as ivan Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Kilkenny is pants, a poor mans Lee Johnson! But at least Johnson could beat the first man with his deliveries I know it isn't going to happen but would love to see Cisse and Reid start in the middle. Reid is as close to a creative midfielder as we currently have at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
havanatopia Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I rate Kilkenny very highly, but clearly so far this season, whether due to lack of movement or not, our "creative player" hasn't delivered the service we needed. Now, with Skuse and Elliott in the middle, while we moaned, we did score goals.....a lot more than we are now. Should we resort back to the hard-working, physical approach which was relatively successfull? Something needs to change..... Hang on a mo... you rate Kilkenny highly but not this season; so you have not rated him since he arrived then? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bcfcnick Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Lee Johnson has a winning mentality and is good for team spirit and can give 90 minutes. I think Kilkenny is part of the problem as he doesn't have any of those three attributes. Yes, he wants to win but the point is that teams that punch above their weight or go on a winning run have a bond and support each other rather than whinge and display a blame culture. That was one of my gripes with David James as well although I don't think he is as bad. We got promotion to the championship and missed out by a whisker of promotion to the Premier League with LJ and he also had promotion with yeovil, so I've never understood the stick given out to him over and above most other players. As I say I think he has a winning mentality and he would be part of the squad I'd like to see retained. A lot of our success came form having good characters in the squad and I'd include LJ in that. I'd still play Reid or Clarkson just above him as the creative midfielder who can offer goals but would fall back on LJ for experience and attitude if either Clarkson or Reid struggled in the role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rudolf Hucker Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Kilkenny just slows our game down and can do nothing Lee Johnson couldn't do end of!.......... Does not improve our team!...... Thank goodness - I thought it was just me who is unable to see the improvement which Kilkenny has made to our team. He can pass sideways and backwards but seems to me to have no vision to play the killer ball forward. He slows the game down and is not good enough with the dead ball to be given responsibility for free kicks and corners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
youwhat Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Kilkenny is just not good enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete1975Legend Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Thank goodness - I thought it was just me who is unable to see the improvement which Kilkenny has made to our team. He can pass sideways and backwards but seems to me to have no vision to play the killer ball forward. He slows the game down and is not good enough with the dead ball to be given responsibility for free kicks and corners. Agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nibor Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Bringing back Lee Johnson would make us a worse team. Kilkenny does have a similar style of play, granted, but he has better passing over range and more on and off the ball. He also has 2 years longer on his contract. The problem Kilkenny does not solve much more than Lee Johnson did is managing to play a two man midfield allowing two strikers without being overrun. We have a group of central midfielders who are all in some way limited (some more than others) and there is no decent pair of two in any combination. We also don't have a left sided forward that would let us play 433 effectively and we'd be leaving out two of our better players and be even less able to score in doing so. This means whatever system we pick suffers from one or the other weakness. It can only be addressed by moving out some dead wood and signing players who improve the quality and balance of the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Radstock Red Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Kilkenny is a Aussie LJ in my eyes. Never should have signed him. Another waste of a signing in the summer by Millen. Taylor, Kilkenny, Bolaise... None of them strengthen our team. The reason we are in the shit now! We still need fullbacks, centrehalf & creative midfielder. Come on Lansdown help Delboy out, or we are heading to L1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 He has a terrible terrible attitude. Truly atrocious. He blames people for his mistakes more than Louis Carey and makes more than Lee Johnson. He had a good 5 minute argument with Albert because HE ****** up because he's a static slowcoach. He sulked for almost 5 minutes refusing to run when he cocked up the chance he had to run through, he then just stood there from the resulting corner with his hands on his hips. He cannot play a first time pass, he slows us down to the point where we stop. He cannot play a decent through ball if we are trying to break quickly and he is the worst dead ball "specialist" I can remember. I don't mind all the moaning, Hartley did it to great effect, But Killkenny is just annoying. He is most certainly not "the answer" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I have to agree, he's clearly a capable player but he's not a good team player. He thinks he's better than what he is imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashton Great Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I have to agree, he's clearly a capable player but he's not a good team player. He thinks he's better than what he is imo. Think you've summed it up nicely there. His attitude is the problem, not at all helpful when confidence is already low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tales From The Front Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I would like to see us try playing with 2 defensive midfielders in Elliot and Cisse then play Clarkson off Pitman with Adomah and JCR on the wings. Totally agree, said something similar at the game today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I'd change Kilkenny for Clarkson personally. He was great in the central midfield role last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redcherryberry Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 He has a terrible terrible attitude. Truly atrocious. He blames people for his mistakes more than Louis Carey and makes more than Lee Johnson. He had a good 5 minute argument with Albert because HE ****** up because he's a static slowcoach. He sulked for almost 5 minutes refusing to run when he cocked up the chance he had to run through, he then just stood there from the resulting corner with his hands on his hips. He cannot play a first time pass, he slows us down to the point where we stop. He cannot play a decent through ball if we are trying to break quickly and he is the worst dead ball "specialist" I can remember. I don't mind all the moaning, Hartley did it to great effect, But Killkenny is just annoying. He is most certainly not "the answer" I agree. Leeds fans said he's goby, point alot and offers nothing. IMO we are seeing that already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RedM Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I thought a while back he may be good in a winning team, a confident team. But in a team on a losing run he isn't solving the problem. He is a lot like LJ and if he wasn't the answer nor is an upgrade of him. He did get a lot of the ball today to be fair but unless he can do something better with it it's not working at the moment. How much of that is down to him or those that he is playing it to? A bit of both I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alf Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Hang on a mo... you rate Kilkenny highly but not this season; so you have not rated him since he arrived then? Haha! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Tansley Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 I thought a while back he may be good in a winning team, a confident team. But in a team on a losing run he isn't solving the problem. He is a lot like LJ and if he wasn't the answer nor is an upgrade of him. He did get a lot of the ball today to be fair but unless he can do something better with it it's not working at the moment. How much of that is down to him or those that he is playing it to? A bit of both I think. I think he should take the bulk of the blame, JCR, McGivern and Adomah had space out wide on numerous occasions and he refused to switch it. He slows us down and always takes one too many touches. Not a fan as yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gibbens1986 Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 Nope he isn't..the way the play doesn't suit him or maynard..they should be in the team if we change the style of play..if Wt don't they shouldn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Exile Posted October 23, 2011 Report Share Posted October 23, 2011 KIlkenny was responsible for most of the most disappointing moments - poor free kicks, poor crosses, poor last balls, poor corners. Clearly he was as frustrated as anyone - throwing his arms all over the place and beating himself up.....but in truth not really good enough. Similar to LJ...not a patch on Hartley. Poor buy IMO...not what we needed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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