Port Said Red Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I have to ask because it seems really strange that we have him here on loan and yet he can only get in the squad for the stiffs cup match tonight. I wonder if he isn't wanted why he didn't go back to WHAM in Jan and as part of the deal for he who shall not be named. Anyone got any insights here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 His loan is for the season - so I guess we are obliged to keep him until then and yes, of course we will be committed to paying his wages for that period. I know there are rumours about a training ground incident, as to the reason that he has effectively vanished, but it is a shame. I was thrilled when we got him back, after a pretty impressive spell here last season. It can't be good for anyone, club or player, to be stuck in the situation that is currently the case. A real waste of what could/should have been a great signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I really don't know why he has been so bad since he came back here. He looked decent enough last season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I really don't know why he has been so bad since he came back here. He looked decent enough last season. To be fair to him, he has only played for us a time when the whole squad was playing incredibly poorly. Still think he can be a useful player for us personally but I don't think Del shares the same sentiments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Back end of last season he wasn't far from caulker standard in some games.... He can't have gone downhill that rapidly? If its disciplinary then why would he even be asked to turn out for the reserves? It's a mystery and I can't help thinking there's more to it than meets the eye. West Ham seem fine with it despite the fact he only signed a new contract in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 just pointless for him and us him being on loan here and nowhere near the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Casio Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Maybe tonight is his opportunity from Del to fight for a place back into the squad... I know it's not what you want to hear but things like the whole Nicky Hunt saga and a player (Spence) who (like has been said above) gave a good account of himself last year, can't even make the bench. Players getting frozen out annoys me - for the last few seasons it seems our management has been blighted by inheritance... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
II Wurzel II Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 just pointless for him and us him being on loan here and nowhere near the first team. Shame you can't loan out a loanee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Maybe tonight is his opportunity from Del to fight for a place back into the squad... I know it's not what you want to hear but things like the whole Nicky Hunt saga and a player (Spence) who (like has been said above) gave a good account of himself last year, can't even make the bench. Players getting frozen out annoys me - for the last few seasons it seems our management has been blighted by inheritance... It's the sort of thing you just can't do here in the real world but in football anything goes!!!! We do seem to have frozen out or dis card a lot of players over the past few years.... Often to eventually replace them with similar or even inferior players. As an example Foster seems a decent enough player but no better than Spence looked last season meaning one or the other is a waste of the club's money. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notsobigfatdave Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 To be fair to him, he has only played for us a time when the whole squad was playing incredibly poorly. Still think he can be a useful player for us personally but I don't think Del shares the same sentiments. I agree, Spence obviously has ability as he made the RB position his own...he played poorly in one game I recall was dropped and we havent seen him since...We must remember however Del has a new room and he wants to decorate it with what he likes and knows.. Im sure Spence will get the opportunity to fight for the RB place and show that he is worthy of it. Perhaps if he changed his name to McSpence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangers Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 Spence was no worse to every other player at the start of the season. Would like to see him given a run. He was Very good towards the end of last season IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 we are paying his wages plus a loan fee believed to be around 250k. a phenomena that seems to have appeard from nowhere in recent yrs. not to mention agent fee and relocation fee payable to the player himself. all in, probably not far off 10k a week hes cost us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrahamC Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 The plain truth is that McInnes has signed Foster, who can play LB but really is a RB and he hasn't once included Spence in his match day squad. I don't expect that will change now and he'll spend the rest of the season in the stands before going back to West Ham. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 we are paying his wages plus a loan fee believed to be around 250k. a phenomena that seems to have appeard from nowhere in recent yrs. not to mention agent fee and relocation fee payable to the player himself. all in, probably not far off 10k a week hes cost us. My longstanding issue with the management of this club. Why, at board level, is this sort of thing allowed. McInnes brought in a right back for a fee at a time when we had: 5 (hunt Skuse Edwards ribiero spence). Why is this allowed? It doesn't happen where I work, I bet Tescos, McDonalds and I dare say Hargreaves Lansdown don't recruit in this way. Ronald McDonald: "you're a useless burger flipper, I'm getting me a replacement!" Burger Flipper: "am I sacked???" Ronald McD "no just hang around the place and keep out of sight of the punters. I'll tell them all that you're working hard and I don't have a problem with you" Repeat for burger flippers number 2,3,4 and 5..... Just think of the quality of RB we could have had for the "investment" made in these 6 so far this season.... I'm guessing he'd be a middle to top end prem player!!! It's bonkers, raving mad I tell you!!!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redlandrebel Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 My longstanding issue with the management of this club. Why, at board level, is this sort of thing allowed. McInnes brought in a right back for a fee at a time when we had: 5 (hunt Skuse Edwards ribiero spence). Why is this allowed? It doesn't happen where I work, I bet Tescos, McDonalds and I dare say Hargreaves Lansdown don't recruit in this way. Ronald McDonald: "you're a useless burger flipper, I'm getting me a replacement!" Burger Flipper: "am I sacked???" Ronald McD "no just hang around the place and keep out of sight of the punters. I'll tell them all that you're working hard and I don't have a problem with you" Repeat for burger flippers number 2,3,4 and 5..... Just think of the quality of RB we could have had for the "investment" made in these 6 so far this season.... I'm guessing he'd be a middle to top end prem player!!! It's bonkers, raving mad I tell you!!!!!!! ... and when you put it like that - you're right, just think who we could have brought! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pride of the west Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 I know. Madness. Its a result of 4 managers in quick succession. Given a bit of stability and direction, i expect the ambition of quality not quantity will come to fruition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 ... and when you put it like that - you're right, just think who we could have brought! Bloody hell - I forgot Louis Carey, that's 7 options at RB this season. Eight if you chuck Marv into the mix!!!! Absolutely stark raving' mad..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redsquirrel Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 just read the other lewis carey scored tonight in the wotsit doodah cup. more interesting though,bolasie and wilson played too from saturdays team. would they find it humiliating in that squad? bolasie scored in normal time too Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BCFC Jordan Posted February 7, 2012 Report Share Posted February 7, 2012 just read the other lewis carey scored tonight in the wotsit doodah cup. more interesting though,bolasie and wilson played too from saturdays team. would they find it humiliating in that squad? bolasie scored in normal time too Probably to keep their fitness levels up during their suspension. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whites Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 Obviously not going to fit in with Dmacs current plans. Shame me thinks. Oh well never mind... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bangers Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 We will never see him in a city shirt again. Out of favour completely, the fact DelBoy doesn't even have him in squads highlights he is surplus to requirements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eskay Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 just read the other lewis carey scored tonight in the wotsit doodah cup. more interesting though,bolasie and wilson played too from saturdays team. would they find it humiliating in that squad? bolasie scored in normal time too I find it hard to believe how our reserve teams seem to struggle in these matches. If you look at the squad there are a few Championship players in there and they had to go to penalties to beat Cirencester. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendip City Posted February 8, 2012 Report Share Posted February 8, 2012 I know. Madness. Its a result of 4 managers in quick succession. Given a bit of stability and direction, i expect the ambition of quality not quantity will come to fruition. It's the result of 4 managers but more the fault of poor management at board level. Yes, you can buy player Y, just as soon as you sell player X. The manager's job is about selling aswell as buying players and getting the best out of what is already there. All we've done for years now is add more and more similar standard players to the squad whilst not using the academy and freezing out player after player. If I look at the list of right back the most disappointing thing is that they're all much the same standard (the same would apply if we looked at forwards who have come and gone - possibly even worse). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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