Cambridge Batch Red Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 He's got a great international futre ahead of him. With the experience he's got we'd be foolish not to use him. I could see becks as part of the backroom staff, maybe a mascot, ball boy, or perhaps even a divot man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Barrs Court Red Posted February 9, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 And could be argued it failed forArgentina.... Been an interesting thread, for something about as likely as Barnet winning the champions league Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Shankley and Clough weren't top IQs I disagree, I think both were smart in their own ways. Clough knew how to get into a player's mind, which is a rare gift indeed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SecretSam Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Worked for Germany with Klinsmann Only because he had Low (with an umlaut over the "o") as his number 2, and a dazzling array of young talent that had been carefully nurtured over the last decade by an FA that knew what it had to do (see also the Spanish FA) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chivs Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 No, no, no x 1 million Put a media-hungry washed up self-publicising, narcissistic pr1ck with a scheming troll of a wife in charge of the team that represents our country? The very thought makes me ill Get off the fence then. Do you want Beckham or not? Personally, I think that England would achieve everything I expect from them if Beckham is in charge. I don't really care who it is given ABR. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 A dismal analysis. With that kind of negativity you should be thinking of applying to join the FA. Think back to when Ramsey was appointed, at that time no English team had won what was then called the European Cup. Did that mean that no English manager was good enough to manage at international level? Either of the three you mention would be fine by me and by the time they come to retire from the post who knows what people will be coming through. We are a major football nation, previous World Cup winners, fifth in the FIFA rankings and it is an absolute disgrace that we should even consider appointing a foreigner to manage our national team. It is also worth bearing in mind that no team has won the World Cup with a foreign manager. no foreign coach has won the world cup. Well I pity us. I wouldn't put any merit on FIFA rankings. I put merit on the standard of footballers, which we do not have enough of. If people continue to fool themselves into thinking we are a great football nation because of past glories, then they can be assured of watching poor football and winning nothing. So much has to change, from the bottom up for us to get close to winning anything, and it will take years. I hope these dinosaurs redknapp Pardew and hogson get put out to pasture, and some fresh innovative English coaches come to the fore. But as long as the domestic game is based on mountains of money, instant success and wealthy foreign owners, don't expect to see any talented English managers appearing. Premier League teams cannot afford to experiment or give young up and coming managers time, they want proven top level managers from the best leagues in Europe. We could experiment with a up and coming English manager from the lower leagues, but they would not have the experience of managing big name players and the egos, I doubt very much if those said egos would be happy working under q inexperienced manager. I'm sorry, but unless there is significant change in how football is run, coached and decent coaches somehow fasttracked, I can only see the England team and a English coach being dead in the water. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downendcity Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I do not doubt that Beckham would bring passion, desire and 100% comittment to the job. However, I think he would be as good as England Manager as he is in the H&M ads i.e. pants! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I do not doubt that Beckham would bring passion, desire and 100% comittment to the job. However, I think he would be as good as England Manager as he is in the H&M ads i.e. pants! it's guys like him that should be employed at the fa, not theses mysterious old codgers in suits still living football in the 50's 60's and 70's. Funny how Southgate is part of the fa now, but was sat there in a tv studio finding out Capello had gone from the media. Tells you all you need to know about how the fa is run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redcliffe 78 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Reckon it could be jose mourinho. Harry for England, Mourinho to Spurs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Couldn't see it working. Cupboard is pretty bare in terms of quality English managers aside from Redknapp though. As an aside, not even Ferguson would win the Euros with us if he took over this team for 6 months. Always the manager's fault though, never the same players- remind you of anything? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Harry for England, couldn't care who went to Spurs. Anyone other than Harry Redknapp (unless it's Jose) and the whole nation will be dissapointed yet again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Popodopolous Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 To play Devils Advocate for a minute. Keegan was a fans favourite when he was appointed- reputation for not being too tactical, attacking football, motivator, passion and high stock- much like 'Arry in fact. That went well... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bar BS3 Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Why not? Twitchy won't be free from spurs untill end of season, and the under 21's under Pearce were terrible last summer. The guy would be available, is looked up to and could be a great motivator. We've failed with passion (keegan) and now with a football master, maybe it's time for an icon? As a short term what harm can it do, and if it worked result. It's not like things could get worse.... Errr... wasn't he part of the set up during the woefull showing at the last world cup?! He hardly made much of an impact with that, did he?! Oh, and last time I looked, DB was not a manager! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Oh. Would that still stand for the manager who follows the next appointment as well? If so we are screwed. I am hard pushed to think of any English manager who is good enough to manage internationally, I mean, there are hardly any in the prem, just redknapp who is nearly at retirement age, Roy Hogson who is nearly at retirement age and Alan Pardew. . Hodgson and Redknapp are younger than Capello. Can't ever remember age being mentioned as a negative factor in his reign. Amazing what Grecian 2000 can do, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red-Robbo Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I disagree, I think both were smart in their own ways. Clough knew how to get into a player's mind, which is a rare gift indeed I did make that point in the rest of my post. I meant they weren't traditional academically gifted but were canny in other ways. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Hodgson and Redknapp are younger than Capello. Can't ever remember age being mentioned as a negative factor in his reign. Amazing what Grecian 2000 can do, I suppose. I am looking at it as long term appointment, as people know as you get older things stop working, doctors start saying time to calm down and do less. Both thee guys are a year or two away from the official retirement date, Capello at 66 has just finished his international career, not just starting it, and by all accounts may be heading for a back room role rather than Manergerial role. I guess we are not party to the FA's strategy, but I would be hoping they are trying to lay down a long term plan, with the next manager leaving some sort of legacy. I do wonder about the age of these two candidates and carrying forward England over the Next 4-8 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
One Team In Keynsham Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 The manager should only be English, if we have any managers that are good enough - there are very few that are good enough - Redknapp, Venables and who else?? Otherwise it needs to be the best possible man regardless of nationality. Not singling you out Riaz, but I was wondering when the Venables card would get played. This will be the same Venables who has a worse winning % as England manager than Steve McClaren, never had to navigate a qualifying campaign, and oversaw Euro 96 that is, in my opinion, viewed with rather rose-tinted specs (and I went to all of the England games in that tournament). I certainly don't disagree that Venables had his time, but his recent spells at Portsmouth, Palace, Leeds and Boro hardly stand out as reasons to stick him back in the England manager position. For those who have not read it, I recommend Soccernomics, by Simon Kuper and Stefan Szymanski. It gets a bit dry, but the chapters "Why England Loses and Others Win" and "The Worst Business In The World" are rather interesting in relation to this debate. I spent 3 weeks in SA for the World Cup, and the least enjoyable part involved England: I would not ever want them to lose, but I'd trade England never qualifying again in my lifetime for a tournament in exchange for City winning something of importance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 I am looking at it as long term appointment, as people know as you get older things stop working, doctors start saying time to calm down and do less. Both thee guys are a year or two away from the official retirement date, Capello at 66 has just finished his international career, not just starting it, and by all accounts may be heading for a back room role rather than Manergerial role. I guess we are not party to the FA's strategy, but I would be hoping they are trying to lay down a long term plan, with the next manager leaving some sort of legacy. I do wonder about the age of these two candidates and carrying forward England over the Next 4-8 years. Redknapp would be a long term imo. He could manage for another 6 years taking him to 70. That would mean 2 European Championships and a World Cup, maybe 2. That would be enough surely? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRL Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Redknapp would be a long term imo. He could manage for another 6 years taking him to 70. That would mean 2 European Championships and a World Cup, maybe 2. That would be enough surely? When has Redknapp done anything long term? He gets 3/4 of the way through building something, then Jumps ship to his next cash cow if course no bungs to be had for the National team, so he better get selling Bale and Van De Vaart quick smartish for a last hurrah for transfer profits I just don't think you can plan long term with older managers. Yes I know anyone can get ill, but the chances when you hit mid 60's certainly increases your chances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 When has Redknapp done anything long term? He gets 3/4 of the way through building something, then Jumps ship to his next cash cow if course no bungs to be had for the National team, so he better get selling Bale and Van De Vaart quick smartish for a last hurrah for transfer profits I just don't think you can plan long term with older managers. Yes I know anyone can get ill, but the chances when you hit mid 60's certainly increases your chances. Managing England for me is a job for a person with tonnes of experience who is coming towards the end of their career. Redknapp hasn't done anything long-term because his career has mainly been stepping stones. He done well at Pompey and got offered the job at Spurs who are much a bigger club then Pompey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Roughneck Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 9 years at bournemouth 7 years at west ham 5 years at portsmouth (over 2 spells) 4th year at spurs. other than that, you're right, he's done nothing long term. of course, he should be at the start of a very long stretch Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Roughneck Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 That would mean 2 European Championships and a World Cup, maybe 2. That would be enough surely? Assuming he could get them to qualify Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Assuming he could get them to qualify Still would be the qualifying campaigns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squire Dastardly Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 Why not? Twitchy won't be free from spurs untill end of season, and the under 21's under Pearce were terrible last summer. The guy would be available, is looked up to and could be a great motivator. We've failed with passion (keegan) and now with a football master, maybe it's time for an icon? As a short term what harm can it do, and if it worked result. It's not like things could get worse.... Good footballer but all the presence & charisma of a dead sheep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset_Cider Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 in that case, i nominate Linford Christie Or the Who...... they were signed to Track Records......... but so were The Heartbreakers! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Fat Controller Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 FA have said English OR British would be preferencial. David Moyes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Jordan Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 FA have said English OR British would be preferencial. David Moyes? No thanks, Harry Redknapp is our only man. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorset_Cider Posted February 9, 2012 Report Share Posted February 9, 2012 No thanks, Harry Redknapp is our only man. Oh gawd.............. SANDBANKS RULES Could be interesting for POOLE/DORSET to have an England manager Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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